User talk:Tommcnabb

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[edit] Syagrius and Trier

Tom, you wrote: "The entire northern half of Roman Gaul, from Tours north, remained under Roman Administration for ten years after the deposure of Augustulus, until 486. After this, perhaps another ten years or more, approaching the start of the sixth century, deep within Germany actually only just east of what is now Luxumborg(1), the Roman people of Trier still remained autonomous". Well, there was the empire of Syagrius until 486. But your conclusion is wrong, because your detail information is wrong. Your cardinal error is to believe, Trier was part of Syagrius roman kingdom. In fact, Trier was never part of this last roman remain in middle europe. Syagrius territorry lied exclusively on what today is called France (concentrated around the regions Ile de France and Normandie). The eastern border of Syagrius territory ended roundabout at the valleys of the river Maas (or Meuse in french) and Marne more in the south and Somme in the north, all this is miles west from Trier. During the time Syagrius was defeated, Trier already belonged to the frankish kingdom, called Francia in latin speaking sources, it did no longer belong to Gallia. There are dozens of good maps and books about it, e.g. here http://perso.wanadoo.fr/palladia/finempireoccident.htm (Look at the brown tainted map: The black territory is the frankish kingdom with the city Tournai shown. Tournai is today at the belgian-french border and is situated approx. 130 Kilometers more westwards than Trier). An evidence that trier not belonged to Syagrius kingdom is, that the newly conquered territory in 486 was called "Neustria" (new land) by the new frankish rulers. But Trier never belonged to Neustria, but always to "Austrien" or "Austrasia" (eastern land). The same with today french city of Metz and Reims. So, I don`t know why you insist on your error. You can`t rewrite history without having reliable sources. And thanks for the information, that 6th century refers not to 600's but 500's. Revolutionary! Emettlach 09:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)