User talk:Tomhab

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January-Feburary 2005

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[edit] Archiving

Just done some archiving of this page. Just start a new section if you want to add something.

[edit] Qazvini

of course it was a genuine mistake. - so I fixed it.  :-)

re using the term Qazvini, yea, it means from Qaz I think... but what would you HAVE me call him? There's way to many Abdu'ls and the damned names are so long. Thank GHU and DRALM that persians finally adopted real last names.... Rick Boatright 04:43, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ahmadi authors

would it be reasonable to create an article on the Ahmadi authors who write anti-baha'i books about their interest in rejecting the Bab, since the claims of the Ahmadi's and the Bab are mutually exclusive? Rick Boatright 04:56, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, someone will get annoyed and then post the other side.. no need for us to do that. They're perfectly capable.... Rick Boatright 00:48, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

re Authors on the Baha'i Faith I don't think so.  :-( I really think something like doing a direct page on authors like Miller and Manula would be better, I mean, those guys deserve a page as much as the 1924th cartoon character. or the newest beanie baby. Rick Boatright 04:25, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Revert warring on Bahai page

COntinous revert warring can lead to page protection (invariably on the wrong version) and blocking of revert "warriors". Please ahve a look at the 3RR rule. Refdoc 01:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I know, but I try to be evenhanded Refdoc 02:07, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome Appreciation

Thanks for the warm welcome on my talk page! Much appreciated, indeed. --Antyrael 13:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Proxies

I have blocked the second proxy permanently, the fist one is blocked for 24 h as I am not 100% sure it is an open proxy. Ther are programmes to check whether a site is an open proxy, but I have not figure dthem you. If you know your IT better than me I would appreciate if you could check this fiorst IP for "proxyness". Thanks. Refdoc 19:27, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] YUSU

Dear Tomhab

Good to see your contributions to the YUSU page - I'm guessing you're a York student and I can't help but get the nagging feeling that I should know who you are.

In any case, what I'd like to ask is whether you would be interested in contributing to an offline History of YUSU - I'm planning to storm the archives at the student centre relatively soon and you're welcome to join me.

Oh, and you'll have to excuse my cackhanded manner - I'm a relatively new contributor.

Matthew Platts 05:49, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi:

Motions of no confidence were submitted to a UGM for every president as far back as Helen Woolnough, I know that. I can distinctly remember the posters for as far back as Youdan. I think it might be an idea for me to look up just how many presidents have been threatened with it, though - I have a suspicion it will turn out to be every single president...

Oh, and thanks for the updates to YUSU! Matthew Platts 17:01, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfC

I am fed up with User:Martin2000 and have rasied an Request for Comment re his abuse of the system and other users. It woudl be nice if you could check it out and maybe add some comments (+ spread the word). Thanks! Refdoc 22:02, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bahai Elections

It is VERY misleading to suggest that any Baha'i is eligible to elect the NSA and UHJ, since they are prohibited from informing delegates or NSA members of their choice of candidate. Most astute observers and political science scholars would call this a "sham election", as it would not even qualify to be called "representative democracy" since there is a no accountability between the elected representative and the voter. In other words, if the representative is not representing the will of the voter, how can you call this democracy? -- 24.6.117.96 talk page 21:42, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

just added link to main Baha'i page to the Baha'i elections page. Rick Boatright 16:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Fine Tom, move it into Baha'i Administration and change the link off the BF page to that.

WOrks for me Rick Boatright 17:15, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The unsigned comment above is very POV. "Most scholars" is unsubstantiated, and the faith doesn't claim to be "representative democracy". Rather it is somewhat delegatory and somewhat deliberative, though even those terms are often quite specific in their meaning. There is accountability, but it is by the body to the electorate, not the individuals. In particular, the premise is different, as Baha'is don't elect people to achieve their agendas, they elect those they feel have certain qualities that make them fit to the task. If you don't want to call it democracy, fine. It isn't. It has some important features from democracy. Regardless, one finds, with a minimum of search, that there are far more kinds of democratic systems out there than the typical ones. See Democracy, Republic, Democracy (varieties), Etc. ChristianEdwardGruber 15:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It is a most interesting point and superb was it was answered. What is known is how the system is run before times and so the confidence is placed in the process before it happens. I think that the suspitions of vote rigging are for a democracy observer as the Bahai electoral system is as is said to me not a democracy in that way, however each person in the community have oppertunity to be elected. I have voted as a national delegate and I looked over the intire membership list as I selected my nine votes. The numbers from the national delegates are tallied and the highest nine votes are collated and announced as the NSA. If a person gets one vote that is fine and reflects the divergent voting thinking of delegates, if a person gets all candidates votes then the convention is of one mind when considering that person. It is the mind set that an election under Bahai process is entered into that is important as well as the process that gives confidence also.RoddyYoung 17:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for welcome

Thanks for the welcome on my talk page! JimHabegger 12:58, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

From me too. I appreciated the welcome. By the way, Trac is a system that applies a Wiki shell around the subversion revision control system as a bug-tracker and more. So you're on the money about creative non-encyclopaedic uses. ChristianEdwardGruber 15:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Paul replies

Hi Tom,

Yeah, I've been back for a while now - since April in fact. I just haven't had time to be quite as active as I have been - and of course since the revert war over pictures and controversial claims got sorted out the Baha'i articles have been less active. Just, for some reason I spent quite a while proof-reading the Baha'i article the other day. I don't think I did more than a little minor polishing, though...

Weren't we talking about meeting up some time? I guess you haven't got long left now - drop me an email if you want to. PaulHammond 21:28, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

got your email back in March. Have sent you one now. - PaulHammond

[edit] Reply about picture

No problem about the picture, Tom. It was a bit of a surprise, but all-in-all I'm grateful to Baha'u'llah to have seen it. I will be seeing the one in the shrine soon enough. I read the copious discussion on it, and I understand how we got here. I won't re-hash obvious arguments. At any rate, I wasn't offended, since Baha'u'llah forbade taking offense. (Not that I'm usually so level headed...) -- ChristianEdwardGruber 17:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Reply to recent changes on Baha'i Faith page

Please let the admin that you contacted know that I wasn't just doing a revert-war thing, but tried to synthesize the gist of his structural change while returning what is truly universal about the faith. Check it out and see if it works for you, but also look at the bahai faith (haifa) thing, since I have a few bits left there that I don't know how to fit in. (They're commented out, so edit it to see them) -- Christian Edward Gruber 13:33, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)

Hey Tom, check out the Bahá'í Faith (Haifa) section now. It still has the missing content commented out, but the content that's there might be worth having up. I don't know, what do you think? -- Christian Edward Gruber 13:50, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)

I still can't get used to posting a reply on a different page. :( Anyway, I do know what you mean about the pages. I generally prefer it too, which is why my revert/synthesis didn't link to the (haifa) page. Basically it was noodling to determine if the page was really needed. More to the point, I wanted to point out that when someone says "haifan" baha'i, that usually means that they are aware of, or have taken the position of the "Remeyite" Baha'is (OBF or otherwise). It actually is derogatory in the same way that "remeyite" is. It is factual, but is not the preferred self-designation. -- Christian Edward Gruber 15:33, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)

[edit] Baha'i Social Principles page

Okay, fine with me. Isn't it against the rules, though, to take down content of a page being voted against, and use it to create another one with a different name? Dawud 06:44, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Great work

Hey thanks for changing my work on the Baha'i pages. I like it. I just started working on this a few days ago and didn't know how to do some of that stuff. Cunado19 00:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Tree_hadrian's_wall.jpg

Hi Tom - any chance of posting the original (unedited) version of Image:Tree_hadrian's_wall.jpg on Commons? I know the tree (seen it many a time!) and would like to see the original :-) MPF 5 July 2005 22:17 (UTC)

Thanks; have to admit I do prefer the original, the clouds look more natural (something to do with a slight bluish tone?) - MPF 6 July 2005 09:34 (UTC)

[edit] Dayyan

Actually I am in mid-edit, but you can make whatever changes you want. By the way, I meant Dayyan AND the cousin of the Bab were killed, not that they were the same person.

A lot of the new information I put in came from God Passes By, but the Dawnbreakers should say the same. GPB is just the book I have with me at the moment.

In his fear of any potential adversary he had dispatched Mirza Muhammad-i-Mazindarani, one of his supporters, to Adhirbayjan for the express purpose of murdering Dayyan, the “repository of the knowledge of God,” whom he surnamed “Father of Iniquities” and stigmatized as “Taghut,” and whom the Báb had extolled as the “Third Letter to believe in Him Whom God shall make manifest.”
(Shoghi Effendi, God Passes By, p. 124)

I wasn't sure whether this is claiming that the command was actually carried out. Maybe I'll change this part. Cunado19 5 July 2005 23:52 (UTC)

[edit] Does this apply to you?

try here You know you have no life when

Regards, Cunado19 16:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I don't know how you know all the stuff that you know. Thanks for the advice.

PS I wrote that page cause I just realized I'm editing on a Friday night. And I've never talked to my sock puppet. Cunado19 16:33, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Archive

Hey, I'm having trouble archiving cause the file is enormous, and my connection keeps cutting out. I tried to load it in pieces but it's still not working. I'm just wasting my time when someone else can do it in a few minutes. If you have a good connection, could you go back a few entries in the history of Talk:Bahá'u'lláh, and load it into Talk:Bahá'u'lláh/Archive 4? Cunado19 08:38, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Shaykh Ahmad

You read a bunch on the Shaykhis? Well I just made this.. Shaykh Ahmad-i-Ahsa'i. See if you have anything to add/change.

I went around and put links where appropriate, and redirected Shaykh Ahmad and Shaykhi

BTW, my page made BJAODN!! Cunado19 12:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

I think you're right about the different gates to the 12th Imam. This is totally from memory, but after the 12th Imam went into occultation at a young age, there were a series of maybe 10 "gates" that continued to bring his messages to the Shi'a, then the gates stopped in 844 AD and they said he would return in one thousand years (1844). Shaykh Ahmad claimed to be on the same level as those "gates", and Siyyid Kazim also. I don't know how the Bab relates to the gates, since he was the return of the 12th Imam and not of the gates. Mulla Husayn was titled Bab'ulBab (Gate of the Gate). Dawnbreakers would have the most detail on this. Good luck, I'm going into occultation from Wiki for about two weeks. Cunado19 15:41, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

I think I just googled it and found a nice picture. I don't even like that picture so replace it with something that is better looking and has the correct copyright info. Try this

I looked around for the picture Image:SeatofUHJ.jpg but I couldn't find it. I originally found it about a year ago and put it on my website which is where I took it again to put it on the wiki. I'm almost sure it came from http://www.bahaipictures.com but I checked there and couldn't find it. Like I said, it's probably in the category with any Baha'i symbol or text, that it has no copyright and available for public use.

Well, I'm TRYING to take a break from wiki. I just can't stop. Cunado19 00:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] history

OK really, tomorrow I'm going out to the middle of freakin' China for 6 days with no internet access. But today I'm still at it. Check out Bahá'í history, I think you'll laugh when you read the intro. You seem to like history anyway. More on the talk page. Cunado19 04:18, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Juan Cole

Juan Cole is a known covenant-breaker so why do you add him to your page's links?

Juan Cole actually resigned from the Baha'i Faith before such a designation was applied, and as such would not be a Covenant Breaker, but simply not a Baha'i. Juan Cole is actually responsible for several good translations and several remarkable pieces of academic literature on the Baha'i Faith. Certainly he is not friendly towards the administration of the Baha'is, and would make many Baha'is uncomfortable. Regardless, before one actually says someone is a Covenant Breaker, one must have official word on the matter. It is a serious accusation and has implications about how Baha'is must (or must not) interact with him. Without clear documentation, it may actually be libelous. (Note, I'm not defending Cole per se, rather trying to preserve the proper use of the term and keep people from getting out of hand. This is not a Faith for fanatics and inquisitors, much as some see otherwise.) Lastly even Mason Remey's works written before be WAS declared a Covenant Breaker are permissible for Baha'is to read, and some of his articles are quite well done. We must be very careful about throwing around labels that only the Head of the Faith is allowed to apply. -- Christian Edward Gruber 16:42, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Well put and accurate. Thoroughly agree. MARussellPESE 17:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Should add he used to be a Baha'i before he resigned from the Faith. After resigning he briefly joined the Unitarian-Universalist church but I understand he know says that he beliieves in Baha'u'llah and considers himself a Baha'i once more, although from outside the administration. AndrewRT 12:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Need your opinion

If you have time, please contribute to Talk:Bahá'í Faith and Science. Our difference of opinions is not being resolved through discussion. Another opinion might help. Cuñado - Talk 21:29, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ridván Spelling

Based on official Baha'i webpages it looks like it's Ridván, see

--Jeff3000 21:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Anyone know how to make the "d" with the dot under it work in HTML? -- Christian Edward Gruber 15:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

looks like wikipedia does it by using the character ḍ and surrounding it with a
 <span class="Unicode">ḍ</span>
where the class statement just changes the font to
.Unicode {
       font-family: TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Code2000, Doulos SIL, Chrysanthi Unicode, Bitstream Cyberbit, Bitstream CyberBase, Bitstream Vera, Thryomanes, Gentium, GentiumAlt, Visual Geez Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial Unicode MS, Microsoft Sans Serif, Lucida Sans Unicode;
       font-family /**/:inherit;
}
-- Jeff3000 03:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Bahai Stats

Hi Tomhab

Thanks for your comment on the Baha'i stats page. The 2001 census reported ~4500 Baha'is, not 22000 as you mentioned. Please see

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BahaiMonitor/message/4

for more details.

I'm afraid the methodology reported in teh WCE is deeply flawed as it relies so much on extrapolation. The number of baha'is in the UK doubled in 1970 from 1,000 to 2,000. This doesn't mean it has doubled every year since then!

AndrewRT 13:37, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi Tomhad. Stats website gives details of only the main religions. Original source for the Baha'i figure in the article was the telegraph newspaper article that the article links to.

Since then I emailed the stats people who sent me a spreadsheet showing the full results for all religions by region - which in turn is the source for the Daily Telegraph article.

I'm planning to add this to the Religions of the United Kingdom page AndrewRT 12:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for welcome!

Thanks for the welcome! I haven't browsed the Baha'i history pages - I'll have to check them out! AndrewRT 12:15, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nabil

You have always liked history stuff right? I just created Nabíl-i-A'zam. I threw it together quickly so you're welcome to add to it, especially references. I'm not sure what sources there are about Nabil, because he was a writer himself. Cuñado - Talk 03:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for comment

I need a second opinion on Talk:Siyyid Kázim Rashtí before I revert. Cuñado - Talk 17:31, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New article

I've just created an article, Bahá'í literature, that could probably use your input. It's based on the big bibliography I've been keeping on my talk page and thought deserved an article of it's own. It should dovetail into the other individual articles well. MARussellPESE 20:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] address

Hey Tomhab, I was wondering if you could set up your e-mail on Wikipedia, or send an e-mail to me through Wikipedia. Thanks, -- Jeff3000 16:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!!!!

Hi Tomhab, I really appreciate your comments. I also apologize if I seemed rude on my reply at Commons. That is not my intention. The criticism I give out is based on technical/aesthetic aspects of photography. I have a terrible habit of "lecturing", but my end goal is to shed light into this proyect, if people will let themselves be contributed to. Of course that I am also very aware of my own limitations. I am at your service.--tomascastelazo 17:57, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reading the back files

Hi, I was interested in finding out when Jeff3000 started in the Talk page of the Baha'i faith and I have followed up like minded people like yourself. I am just introducing myself to you. Roddy Young. 219.89.174.103 18:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 99 Names of God

Could you help with some POV reverts on 99 Names of God. Thanks, -- Jeff3000 00:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks TomHab. Just do your three reverts. I've already reported him, and so the more reverts he does, the quicker the 3RR will be addressed. Regards, -- Jeff3000 00:52, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
BTW, here's the link to the report: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR, Regards, -- Jeff3000 00:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Definitely I remember you; I think of you as one of the best Baha'i editors here; always calm and dignified. The Dayyan page was not on my watchlist, but I'll add to it, and make sure it remains neutral. Regards, -- Jeff3000 00:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
It definitely can get heated at times, and we all have to strive to do our best to be civil and not get into it, but it definitely can be difficult at times. As for Maualana, he was definitely polemical; trying to shape history to make the Ahmadi movement look more important. -- Jeff3000 01:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POTY 2006

The arrangements for the Commons:Picture of the Year 2006 competition are now complete, and voting will start tomorrow, Feb 1st. All the featured pictures promoted last year are automatically nominated. As the creator of one or more images nominated for the election we invite you to participate in the event. Alvesgaspar 11:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)