User talk:Tomeasy

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[edit] Serbian borders

I think we should respect the borders accepted by the UN. Also there is always a possible compromise; for an example Serbia borders....Albania through region of Kosovo....--Avala (talk) 22:19, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I hope your opponents will appreciate your compromise as such by :-)Tomeasy (talk) 22:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Well done!; "bordering Albania via the breakaway province of Kosovo" is at least much better than just ignoring what is currently going on in Kosovo because the UN Security Council is unable to reach unanimity. And Tomeasy: Thanks for correcting my mistake. ;) --Camptown (talk) 09:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] German and Uk economies

I am sorry I thought that the person commenting on the talk page was right, maybe he was confused to! Harland1 (^t/_c) 16:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Europe

Hi, just an explanation. I undid Polscience's changes as a temporary solution, as it is clear that he added more than what was discussed (maps, renaming sections as Europe extending into Asia) etc. I don't disagree with adding the full population of transcontinental countries, however this should be done with a clean slate (prior to Polscience) and with more time (perhaps give the editors who contributed to the article/table in 2006-2007, such as Corticopia a few days to respond). Also, I was concerned about the timeframe as it seemed you, Husond and JdeJ were in the middle of discussing possible solutions when the sockpuppets started appearing (Husond was considering removing Armenia but leaving all others as partial, which is also a possibility). Also, please note that Armenia was added recently (February 2008) so it was a relatively new addition, resulting in the inconsistency in the 2006-2007 version (I believe Corticopia added most of the figures for the transcontinental countries). Kesälauantait (talk) 10:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, it is clear this only became a controversial, emotional and heavy issue after Polscience : ) Kesälauantait (talk) 10:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I can not believe that I got into Husonds evil trap again, How smart! just because those people were in favor does not mean that I created them and sock puppeting or whatever was the reason. I posted several post on the caucasus forum and asked people to express their opinion. to do that they created an account and they were accused of sock puppeting. the ONLY proof was that all of them had posted on the European forum only and therefore were sock puppets. OFCOURSE they did not post on anything else as they were not the regular users and even if they wanted to post on something else, they could NOT because they were blocked immediately ! there were other people who were in favor of those changes. Stop making me look like I am stupid. If I wanted sock puppeting I would somehow wait a little and make them edit completely different articles. I'am not as NAIVE as some of the people in here might think or might want me to be.

after I was blocked, COMPLETELY EVERYTHING was reverted, even what was made under concensus which signifies that some user in here could not WAIT to ban me in order to implement their evil and biased plans on this website who they thinks belongs to them and several others, and do things like "european "portion population that GOD knows where they took from and they dont even count it as a flaw. Double standards... now I know that it is "better to break your head, than to break your name because who will believe a "silly" student like me after me trying to make someone "LOOK" european..... they will always believe Husond (a proud european) and the likes. Thanks god that they are so "powerful" only in wikipedia and have different worthless awards. they dont have a real knowledge about "real" life.... when he was making up those "European portion" numbers under some unexisting consensus , he was very active, where is he now???! why does not he do anything to fix it ? banning me is not gonna fix it is it ? but he likes it because everything will be the way HE wants it, and who cares if its wrong. (except several people like Tomeasy and etc.) Husond - your reign is over.You may ban whoever or whatever you want... it is not gonna help, the problem is still here and the problem is created artificially by people like you, who dont like the truth. SHAMEFUL....--Polscience (talk) 17:10, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Just to be complete. Here the confirmed evidence for Husond's accusation you were sock puppeting.

Then to your concern that everything has been reverted. This is not the case. Your most important point not to show arbitrarily chosen partial figures referring to undefined European fractions of the respective countries has been accounted for—though probably not because of your infamous lobbing for this. Tomeasy (talk) 17:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liechtenstein

Well, I am glad there is a consensus reached. I personally consider the CIA Factbook being wrong on the subject, but until it corrects the mistake, people will always come to Wikipedia and edit the article and quote the Factbook. So the current formula is best. Russoswiss (talk) 17:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The interesting development I wanted to hint you is that Copysan wrote an e-mail to the Swiss embassy and they confirmed that there is no agreement. Tomeasy (talk) 17:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, this is good indeed. Now I wonder how come I have not thought of this earlier. They have an Embassy in Bern, after all :O Russoswiss (talk) 17:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem. It appears everything is settled now. Grinkov (talk) 06:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Polscience

Hello Tomeasy. I abandoned the discussion because I thought I had provide all the feedback I could. I couldn't think of a clear solution for the data regarding the transcontinental countries. As for your new sock suspicions, I share them too. Not because of the "--" which is a regular component of a user's signature if they click the signature button instead of typing four tildes manually. But because I found some other familiar features hinting at renewed sockpuppetry. It shall be resolved soon enough. Regards, Húsönd 21:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Europe rv

Yesterday you undid a edit of mine to the economy section of europe, you said that some text was removed and the ref did not work, it would be nice if you had fixed the ref and asked me why I removed the text, as I would have told you that I removed the text following an agreement between Mathsci and myself here that it was encyclopaedic. If you disagree would you please state your reasons. Cheers. Harland1 (^t/_c) 11:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

That's fine I should have stated that there was an agreement, and I shouldn't have expected you to look at every talk page were I might have come to an agreement. Harland1 (^t/_c) 13:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

What do you think then/ Should I remove the information from the FT or not? Harland1 (^t/_c) 17:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not altogether sure that I should be the one to decide as a resident of the UK but I as you've asked me to this is my suggestion: The United Kingdom comprises the region's second largest national economy and the fifth largest globally.^[1] However the economy of France is of a very similar size ($2.515 trillion (2007 est.)) to that of the UK ($2.756 trillion (2007 est.)). And as recently the Euro has been strong against the Pound the UK economy when compared by Pound to Euro as opposed to Euro to Dollar and pound to Dollar is worth less than that of France I would however question your statement that the Italian economy is of similar size. Was that too wordy? Harland1 (^t/_c) 19:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I am slightly confused by your argument. It may of course be that I do not know enough, but you said that if the Pound goes down against the Euro then the Euro-Dollar ratio will go up against the Pound-Dollar ratio. But if the Pound goes up against the Dollar (as it has been) and down against the Euro (as it has been), then your statement earlier is not true. It does however depend on whether the Euro has gone up against the Dollar more than the pound, but even so there ared surely not the same? (Apologies for being ignorant) Harland1 (^t/_c) 13:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

OK your suggested text is better and more concise than mine - i will put it in. However my misunderstanding comes from the fact that I thought that if the Euro strengthened against the Poundn that didn't necessarily follow that that it should strengthen against the Dollar, but I suppose that you're right it probably would. Harland1 (^t/_c) 14:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

In deed this is not the case. However, I did never claim so. Please cite with more care. What I said is that from the two statements: (1) Pound weakens against Euro and (2) Pound strengthens against Dollar, a third statement can be derived, which is not independent from two earlier ones: (3) The Euro strengthens against the Dollar. Please make sure you observe the difference between this and your citation. I would like to motivate you to understand this, since it makes life much simpler than the ideas that you've had previously. I think you imagined the whole stuff to be very complex and then you tried to formulate precisely. Where it went wrong is that, actually, it is not a complex issue. Could I help?

Do you understand now, why the ranking of economy sizes is independent from the currency used to measure the volume? I have just imagined a nice analogy. I hope you like it: If you are taller than I, then this is independent whether we measure height in feet or meters. Now, you may wonder, why then the whole fuzz about France overtaking the UK due to exchange rate changes. Therefore, if you allow, I have to strain the analogy a little bit. Imagine you are 6 ft tall, no matter what the length of a feet is in meters and I am 1.8 m tall. Imagine further that the exchange rate between feet and meter is changing daily. Now, you will be taller than I as long as the foot is stronger than 0.3 m. I would be glad, if I had helped you with this example. Please, hit me back in any case.Tomeasy (talk) 15:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for my stupidity I didn't understand 'till I saw it set out in your logical 1,2,3 manner. I understood how the xchange rate bit worked, but thanks for your analogy. Harland1 (^t/_c) 15:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your question about pictures

You posted a question on my user page about how to deal with problems relating to pictures on Wikipedia. The easiest part first: Captions are edited on the pages that utilize an image, so if you are unhappy with an image's caption, you must address that on the article talk page of the article where the image is applied. If several pages use the same image, you will have to address caption grievances on each separate talk page (or if you feel bold. go ahead and make the changes in the image markup ( [[Image:Image name|thumb|250px|This captoin needs copyediting]] ).

Images are stored centrally, usually on Commons. Commons.wikimedia.org is the media hub or central storage location of media files for all Wikimedia projects, i.e. the different Wikipedias, Wiktionaries, Wikisources, etc. When you click directly on an image, you see the media page for that image. As I mentioned, most images are stored on Commons, and if this is the case, a banner notifying users of this will be displayed on the media page. On that banner there's a wikilink which reads "description page there" which you then click to go to the image page proper, at Commons. The page on Wikipedia, which appears to be more or less identical is merely a mirror of the Commons page. Image pages have their separate talk pages, just as article pages and user pages do (and all other kinds of pages), and you can address issues relating to the image there.

Making comments on the image talk page is often not the best approach, however, because not very many people notice what is being written on those pages. For common queries, such as proposals to have an image removed, or perhaps having the licence information reviewed if you believe it to be incorrect, there are designated forums for this both on Commons and here on Wikipedia. Without knowing what particular kind of issue you might be having with an image, the best general suggestion I can give you about where to address your query, is to go to Help:Images and find the best way from there. __meco (talk) 09:10, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Europe

Hello fellow wikipedian i see you may be new to wiki, you do not have the authority to remove a tag,what you did could be misconstrued as vandalism,one or two people is not a consensus though i did remove the tag from the top of the article and moved it to the regions sections where i am disputeing the neutrality,because it only labels one opinion of the classifications of european regions namely only the u.n's but leaves out others whether it be unesco or namely the C.I.A world fact book if you click the follwing portal Western Europe it has both cia world factbook regions for europe and the united nations whichs makes it neutral,please reconsider your opinion if you strive for neutrality poor grammar is not a basis enough to dismiss somebodys claims--Wikiscribe (talk) 13:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mwai Kibaki

Hey, I noticed that you deleted my contribution of the photo with Mwai Kibaki in it. I think you may have confused left and right which I stated. The picture is certainly Mwai Kibaki (although I do admit the scan from the original is a bit darker than the original). You may look at the photo again here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kenyan_Leaders.jpg

Also, you stated that the man was white, but ironically, none of the men in that picture are white. Its the three africans and various asian leaders of Kenya (the most important being Zafrud Deen, sitting in the middle with Kenyatta). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omaster (talk • contribs) 19:47, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[1], as you can see, you stated Kibaki would be standing left! So it was not me confusing the sides, but your image caption. When you reverted me back, you even stated this in the summary [2].

As to white, black, Asian. I admit, it was not wise from my side to introduce the term white man in the summary referring to an Indian (who is standing back left). In any case he is not African and therefore clearly not Kibaki and thus your caption was wrong. Since i was not 100% sure who would be Kibaki in this picture, I could not mend the caption and therefore removed the picture.

I see that you have fixed the caption [3], well done. This way, I think it can stay. However, i also want to tell you that your claim I was confusing left and right, whereas you have made both edits, was very irritating for me. Tomeasy (talk) 23:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I would like to apologise for what I said, in a sense we were both confused. I initially stated back left as it would have been from the point of view of those in the picture. The later I realised that many would be confused as they were looking at the picture, so I changed it to back right to avoid confusion. Sorry for the mix up. -Omaster

[edit] Nobel laureates by country

Why do you repeatedly undo my revision?

The official Nobel website mentions Taiwan as Lee's birth place, not his nation. Taiwan is not a recognized country. If you categorize Lee as a Laureate from Republic of China, that would be acceptable. And it should be merged to China where there are two subsections of PRC and ROC respectively if you are willing to do so. Nobuts (talk) 05:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

As is stated right at the beginning of Nobel laureates by country the list follows simply what is stated at the official website. This is in order to prevent any kind of edit warring that people might indulge for reasons just like you mention. You are probably aware that there are many similar difficulties pending in the world and the list Nobel laureates by country absolutely wants to avoid such discussions on its site.

Btw, Lee is neither categorized as a Chinese nor a Taiwanese laureate. He is correctly categorized as a US laureate. One correction that I have made after he was grouped under China. He appears in the Taiwan list simply because this is the country of birth as mentioned at his official award website. So please, if you would like to discuss whether Taiwan is a country or not or whether it is a correct term for a country that does exist / does not exist, go to the pages that are more explicit on this issue. Here's not the place for that. Tomeasy (talk) 07:40, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

what the official site refers is the region of birthplace, not explicitly indicating the "country". let's put it in this way, suppose there's nobel laureate who was born in Hong Kong, where I live, do you categorize that person under China or Hong Kong or something else?

Please, sign your comments with the 4 tildes.

Where did you get it from that the nobel website uses the format <city, region> to state the birth place of an awardee? If you follow the link that I gave you above you will find b. 1936 (in Hsinchu, Taiwan). Comparing that to all other cases mentioned on the official website it would be the first time that what follows after the comma is not the respective country. Therefore, what is stated after the comma is what the official website recognizes as a country. Since we take the official website as the absolute authority for the list, we have to accept its stance also in controversial matters as the one we are talking about. Please, pardon me for not feeling like discussing the issue of whether Taiwan is a state or just a region anymore. There are better place to have your say. Tomeasy (talk) 12:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia facts about "communism" in Cyprus

I don't think that it should be included in the first paragraph. I think it's just a trivia fact.

Also Cyprus having a communist leader doesn't mean that it's like USSR, China or does it have communism. I never herd of anyone getting food with coupons and also as far as I know I still own my house and have all my bank accounts and Cyprus always and even now has capitalism. Moreover according to the EU statistics people in Cyprus believe in God more that people in any other EU countries (even Greece, Malta and Poland) and the "communist" leader of Cyprus every Sunday is at the church, so as far of what I see he doesnt sound like a real communist. Anyway if you really want to include this trivia fact (the only country in EU with a communist leader) put it the section politics in Cyprus or make a new trivia facts about Cyprus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankateif (talk • contribs) 06:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ankateif. I agree with you that this piece of information was misplaced in the lead of the article. About trivia sections you might be interested in taking a look on WP: trivia section.

You made many statements to what Cyprus is not and to which I certainly agree. However, the piece that we are talking about did not make such claims. Therefore, let me recall what the article stated before you removed it.

Cyprus is, at present, one of only two countries in the world to have a democratically elected communist government (the other being Moldova), and is the only European Union member state currently under communist leadership.

As you can see, nothing has been said that Cypurs would be like the USSR, China or nonreligious. Quite the contrary, it is stated that the government was democratically elected. Please be more careful in the future, when you oppose something. Make sure that your opposition does not go out of bounds and that you do not imply things that have never been said. Tomeasy (talk) 08:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I am not opposed of having this fact, but having it at the beginning of the article gives you the impression that communism is something that is very important for Cyprus and it's one of the main characteristics the country, which is not. I mean nothing really changed with the new president (in the sense of capitalism and communism), the same parties that are in this goverment are the same with the previous goverment, just the president is a communism. Thank you for your understanting and for moving that sentance to a more proper place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.198.25 (talk) 13:37, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Also in the leading paragraph you want to read about Cyprus, the article is arleady really big. I don't think that learning that Moldova is the other country with a voted communist leader is so important about Cyprus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.198.25 (talk) 13:42, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Straw poll

My concern is that Wikipedia is not a democracy and voting is not a substitute for discussion. I think the strength of argument for a UK map was better and stronger than lists of numbers who have a preference, that's why I was "reluctant".

However, I didn't abstain, I cast a vote. I think we've probably exhausted some other options and so this straw poll can contribute towards a way forwards. Finger's crossed :) --Jza84 |  Talk  16:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation for Scotland article

As an agreement between editors at Scotland seems ever more unlikely, some users have decided to contact mediation. However, mediation require the acceptance of all involved parties. Would you be willing to accept? Thanks for your compliance...--Cameron (t|p|c) 18:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New map on Germany

Hi,
I saw the new map you added. The subtitle says Location of Germany (dark green) – on the European continent (light green & dark grey) – in the European Union (light green) — Legend, but they´re not green in your map. How about a change? Best greetings, --Joachim Weckermann (talk) 08:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for telling. Have just fixed it. Tomeasy (talk) 08:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of countries by GDP nominal per capita

The calculation method is explain in a footnote in the article. Please read it :-) ☆ CieloEstrellado 16:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

That's the formula, right. However, there is more than that involved in the case of France. Please have a look on Change CIA data for France on Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita. Tomeasy (talk) 17:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:14

Thanks! You've made me feel so much better. :) Tell that to the annoying ageists on WP. :)) I was feeling a bit down over all the critcism. Partly becouse Mathsci has been rather harsh on me when I tried to point out that some of edit summaries/comments are hurtful. *moan over*. However the comments on the Europe article were much nicer. Most of the concerns were legitimate, and i think that I will either leave Europe or be much more careful about what I do. I don't think I will start any more discussions with Mathsci. Harland1 (^t/_c) 09:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for being so nice to me when I was down and managing to find a compliment to pay me after I'd just made a whole host of mistakes. Harland1 (t/c) 14:33, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes everyone can award them see WP:BARN. :) Harland1 (^t/_c) 20:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Number of countries in Europe

I posted this message on the Europe discussions as well . I hope it will help you out a little bit.

I know that Council of Europe which has more members than any other european organization says there are 47. thats because Belarus is excluded as it is not the member because of their dictatorial regime. so I think it should be 48. I dont think that we should worry too much about unrecognized or autonomous states that someone mentioned before. I also went to the European Union website and found this: Member and Non-member European states

http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/others/index_en.htm

even as a professional geographer I am not sure where the border goes either, as practically they dont exist and it is one continent, Eurasia. but if we dont do it according to the EU version, than I dont know according to what we should do it. I thought the EU was most well known authoritative european organization.I dont think there is a any factual error or something.I hope this website will make things clearer and good luck.--Regina Bremer (talk) 01:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

• Sigh* That was Polscience. New sock, now with new gender. Húsönd 02:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the information, Husond. You saved me a lot of time. Tomeasy (talk) 07:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at this. Looks like you were about to be impersonated by one of Polscience's sockies. See if you can find which one, there's almost one hundred of 'em. :-) Regards, Húsönd 10:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Incredible this Polscience. Thanks again for saving us from his disruption. Tomeasy (talk) 10:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nation brand answer

See the talk pages... all the best Lear 21 (talk) 15:13, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

"The six key verticals/ indicators studied include: exports, governance, investment and immigration, culture and heritage, people and tourism." [4] & [5] & [6] Lear 21 (talk) 23:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Map on European Union

Why did I abandon the discussion? It is quite simple. Nobody cared or liked my idea. They prefer a SMALL SVG over a detailed PNG. I simply gave up and just moved on. That's the story of my life. You like the map? Well it's nice to find somebody who likes it. Can you answer me a question? Why is SVG being treated like a king? What is wrong with PNG? — NuclearVacuum 00:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Number of Countries

Hi Tomeasy. Could you explain why is the chart on Europe page showing that there are nearly 59 countries in Europe and the info box at the beginning of the article says circa 50? I am asking you because I saw the discussion page and I was a little confused.

Also why is Russia in BOTH transcontinental countries box and Eastern Europe box ?

I am not editing wikipedia at all but I needed it for my research and I just could not find an information here that was not contradicting other parts of the same article.I dont know what to do. Can you at least give me the list of countries that re included in that circa 50?

--Dssc (talk) 01:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Polscience's socks, on the other hand, go waaaay over 50. Húsönd 03:18, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Summary

Guten tag, Yes, I know what an edit summary is, but I somehow always forget it. I will try to think about it next time! Massimo Catarinella (talk) 16:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong Reference

The article were the reference leads to states that this building is the first stock exchange of Amsterdam and that it was built in 1607. Therefore it is the oldest ongoing stock exchange in the world. But I will correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Massimo Catarinella (talk • contribs) 17:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

We state in the article that Amsterdam's stock exchange was the first to trade continuously. And this is not at all backed by your reference. Even worse, readers will think that this reference (which most will be unable to read, since it is in Dutch) does back our claim. So it might be interpreted that we are manipulative. I suggest that we assume measures to avoid such interpretation. One way could be to state when this thing was built, and there you might add then your reference. Do you get the point? Tomeasy_talk 17:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

He Tom, The reason why most of my references are in Dutch, is because I can't find a good one in English. I am doing what I can to find English references however. Greetings Massimo Catarinella (talk) 11:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't noticed that you wrote that. Yes, I know what you mean by it, but were can I fill that in? This is about the publisher btw. Massimo Catarinella (talk) 15:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

Could you please refert the changes made by Krator? He deleted a large part of worthy information, which I want back in the article. Massimo Catarinella (talk) 16:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC):

I was talking about the part on tourism. It's fine now, but he just threw out a whole piece from the article without even mentioning it. Massimo Catarinella (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)