User talk:TomHennell

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[edit] Malformed code in Anglicanism article

In the reference section of the Anglicanism article it looks like there some malformed code. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.90.228.115 (talk) 01:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John and Jesus

Hi Tom: About John in the Qur'an, the verse said: "Believing (mosadekan) in a word from Allah". Even if "a word from Allah" refers to Jesus, it doesn't specifically mean that he was a harbenger of Jesus, as also their age were so close to each other. But in the other hand when Allah talked about Jesus in the Qur'an He said clearly, "Harbenger (mobasheran) by a messanger who will come after me his name is Ahmad". AAboelela

[edit] Shamsuddin

Thank for deleting the Shamsuddin references off Gospel of Barnabas. You beat me to it! --JBJ830726 02:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GoB

please see my comment on GoB talk page --Mido 12:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome Tom. --Mido 14:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


Hey Tom,
Many of the non-canonized pseudepigraphical Gospels are considered "Gnostic", though the Gnostic community themselves are having a hard time defining what Gnosticism is exactly, as you can tell from the Gnosticism article. You are right, I probably should justify this in the Gospel of Barnabas talk page, and I will (hopefully without generating too much of a debate). This Gospel in particular, is problematic because its origin is so late, nonetheless, there are some who argue it was based upon earlier text and treat it as 'secrect knowledge' though I personally accept its origin as having been inspired by Islam. I guess we'll have to see what others say about it.
LinuxDude 13:46, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re

Tom, perhaps I am mistaken. I thought Tatian used the LXX. Lostcaesar 22:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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Request handled by: Yamla 17:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Masoretic Text

Hello,

I'm not sure what this missing text should be called. Presumably, it should be what the experts call it, whatever that is. What I have called it in the past is "the Hebrew Bible", or the "current [time provided by context] Hebrew text", or even simply "the Tanakh". Not very exact, but at least not incorrect. I do not know whether more precision is possible, although it is certainly desirable. Best regards, Rwflammang 17:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

If you have a reference to scholars calling this missing text "MT" in any sort of formal document (i.e., not an informal colloquium or chat room), please let me know. Rwflammang 18:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edit to Western text-type

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[edit] Constantinople

To quote the song "Istanbul was Constantinople" and in fact was so until the 20th century. Also, since the references were to Greek libraries, I think it is more appropriate a name. Str1977 (smile back) 21:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Saints

I was not making a personal POV value judgment, as much as following my interpretation (which hopefully isn't misguided) of the naming conventions and manual of style. My first concern is that the name of the article on this person is Jerome, not Saint Jerome. The reason for this is WP:NCNT: Saints go by their most common English name, minus the "Saint"... Furthermore, the spirit of MoS:BIO seems to suggest we shouldn't throw the title "Saint" around when not necessary. Those guidelines says we shouldn't use "Dr." or "Professor", nor honorifics like "His holiness" or "Her majesty", instead favoring a prose explanations of these characteristics "X obtained a doctorate in physics from Cornell" "Y, who is called honorifically "His majesty" by his subjects". So we could say "Jerome, who is revered by Eastern Orthodox and Catholic Churches as a saint, worked on translating the Greek bible into Latin". But going to the article and adding an honorific title in front of every instance of his name, when the article isn't even named "Saint Jerome" seems to go against the above cited guidelines. I hope you understand.-Andrew c 14:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pericope de Adultera

You deleted my chart with this note:

Is this original reasearch of your own, or has it been published? If the former, then - whatever its merits - it should be removed.

What kind of nonsense is that? It is original research of my own, and it has every right to be in the article, which is a discussion of the evidence for and against the passage.

"whatever its merits - it should be removed" ??? what are you talking about?

Facts and theories should always of course be evaluated based upon their merits, and not just "authorities". If you object to its implications, or question its interpretation as evidence, then just add your own comments, and keep them separate from mine.

This passage in John is a controversial passage, with many variations to be found in contemporary scholarly opinion. You can't just impose your own here at Wikipedia. A good article on this subject will eventually accumulate a wide variety of opinion and evidence from independant research, and that is what will make it a good article. At least 100 articles a year are published on John, and dozens on this passage.

Don't try to censor research or filibuster accumulated evidence. If you can't contribute constructively, leave the article alone.

Sincerely, Naz


Tom, you're right that I didn't carefully distinguish between "genuine" and "original to John." I count on smart people to catch me when I overreach, so thanks. Next, I'd like to find a way to point out that the proponents of "original to John" are the scholarly equivalent of creationists. Leadwind (talk) 00:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Authorised King James Version

I'm on your side now in the battle over the 'z' ! Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 20:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bishops Bible

This could be made a GA article with a minimal amount of effort. Can you help me cite existing material? -- SECisek 17:04, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I meant the main article, but once it is GA we could easily cut down and paste a very good section for the KJV article. Are you familiar with Wikipedia:Inline citation? We need to cite what is already there and then round out the article, but it is close. -- SECisek 15:48, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

First see Wikipedia:Footnotes then look at Wikipedia:Citation templates. They seem at first as if they are very difficult to use, however they are not. They also make getting a GA promotion for an article quite easy. In-line citations are the most important things you can learn to use at wikipedia.

If it is too much for you, continue to put as much info about the source as possible in brackets and someone like myself will drop it into a proper reference for you. Everything entered into Wikipedia should have citation if possible. If you have more questions, feel free to ask me. -- SECisek 17:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Morning Prayer/BCP

Tom, I see you've turned you're attention to these articles. Some time ago, I made a bit of an effort at straightening out Morning Prayer, but didn't get particularly far. Still, you may find User:David Underdown/Morning Prayer useful (or not). Morning Prayer is dreadfully lacking in references, so it would be a great help if you could add some, if you have relevant sources. David Underdown 14:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shakespeare and the BCP

I am sorry if I jumped in wrongly. 'Thou shalt do no murder' which you quote is, of course, from the book of Exodus also. Can yo tell me of examples, not from Scripture that are from the BCP in Shakespeare. I had thought, from Susan Bridgen as well as from Duffy, that Shakespeare'sw references are mostly (and subversively) Catholic; but they may be wrong.Roger Arguile 09:56, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I am convinced. I am still not sure what the implication is. If that is the only reference connectng the playwright with the BCP the sentence suggests more of a connection than the use of a common phrase. Shakespeare would, of course, have attended church - the law required it - but he was no different from anyone else.

BTW I hope you take no offence at my deleting the material on parish worship - which WUTWC has now restored. I did so with some reluctance and should really have offered a justification - which I shall now do. My problem is partly with evidence and partly with relevance. (I was also instrigued that you added it, as far as I can see, under the rubric of a minor amendment, but no matter.) Roger Arguile 07:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anglican collaboration of the month

The current Anglicanism Collaboration of the Month is
Essays and Reviews
The next collaboration will be selected on 30 April 2008. (Vote here)

Wassupwestcoast 01:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Authorized King James Version

I know very well that you've done a ton of work for the article. One of the things it very much needs is to provide more in-line citations. Since most of the existing citations are already yours - you are practically the only editor who added sourced text - would you be able to source: at least the obvious unsourced bits? I realize this is an imposition and Wikipedia is very much voluntary driven so please don't misunderstand...I'm only pleading for your expertise. So if you want to and you have th inclination it would be a useful excerise. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 22:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I have not abandoned you! I have allocated a couple of hours tomorrow to help you format the citations! Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 01:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Did you mean 'Daniell, David (2003), The Bible in English: its history and influence', because the Harvard citations had (Daniell 2005). I changed everything to '2003'. Hope I haven't mucked things up. I will continue copy edit tomorrow. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 00:57, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
absolutely right - I must get new glasses. TomHennell (talk) 01:07, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Authorized King James Version

In the Authorized King James Version article, for the reference to Bruce, Frederick Fyvie (2002), History of the Bible in English, Cambridge: Lutterworth Press, ISBN 0718890329 , I have changed the harvard reference (Bruce 1970 p=??) to (Bruce 2002 p=??). Is this OK?. And, the same thing with the reference to Daiches, David (1968), The King James Version of the English Bible: An Account of the Development and Sources of the English Bible of 1611 With Special Reference to the Hebrew Tradition, Hamden, Conn: Archon Books, ISBN 0208004939 . The harvard citation was to (Daiches 1941 p =??) and I've changed it to (Daiches 1968 pp=??). Is this also OK? Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 22:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Further

You may want to take Authorized King James Version to Wikipedia:Peer review and then to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Mind you it is a miserable process. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 23:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Authorized Version

I see you have changed this from UK spelling (..ize) to US spelling (..ise) - on the principle of local usage within quotes. I am afraid I cannot understand your logic, but will not change it back without giving you an opportunity to explain fully. TomHennell (talk) 02:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Tom, I appreciate the opportunnity. The logic is that it is commonly known as the "Authorised Version" in the United Kingdom, but it is not known as the "Authorized Version" here. It isn't the spelling of the word 'authoris/zed' that we are discussing, but the title of a book in usage in the UK. I hope this clarifies. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 12:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments, I am interested in what you say, although authorised version is how I have always seen it here in the UK. Google "authorised version bible" gives 325,000 and the same text with the 's' gives 1,740,000. The text of :: http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=280570 shows 'authorised' in the text, even though the heading has the AE version. I can understand that an American based commentator may well use the AE spelling of Authorized, which is fine, but it wouldn't be correct to say that that is how it is referred to in the UK. DavidFarmbrough (talk) 17:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seabury

There has been some question about who was the first Anglican bishop outside the British Isles. Do you have a proper and irrefutable citation for Samuel Seabury so we can end this mess? --Secisek (talk) 10:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rood, Rood screen and Pulpitum

Somebody asked me about these, and the interwiki links to the screen seem to mostly relate to the pulpitum, as does the commonscat. I have adjusted some, I hope correctly, but others remain as they were. Johnbod (talk) 23:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)