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And "according to Jordanes" the Getae were the same as the Goths...

Herodotus, who lived practically during the time of Tomyris, was most likely correct (she was a queen of the Massagetae): Jordanes, who lived many centuries after the events, was most likely wrong. Alexander 007 00:01, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

There's a lot of confusion here, so I'm tagging this for cleanup. Tomyris is described as a queen of the Massagetae: that much seems substantiated by what I can find. But the Massagetae (an Iranian people) seem to have little relation to the Getae (a Thracian/Dacian people). If indeed Jordanes also equates the Getae to the Goths (a Germanic people) then he obviously can't quoted so directly as a source. --Saforrest 03:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Yup, Jordanes did indeed conflate the Getae with the Goths. See The Origin and Deeds of the Goths. Caution with Jordanes. Alexander 007 03:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no historical evidence to support the theory which states that Tomyris was the founder of the Greek colony named Tomis from Scitia Minor. [Aka. 16:52 GMT+2, 22 May 2006]

I am disgusted by the fact that whomever wrote this left out the MOST important thing about TOMYRIS. When her people told her that her son had captured she said "You bloodthirsty Cyrus, pride not yourself on this poor success: it was the grape-juice---which, when you drink it, makes you so mad, and as you swallow it down brings up to your lips such bold and wicked words---it was this poison by which you ensnared my child, and so overcame him, not in fair open fight. Now hear what I advise, and be sure I advise you for your good. Restore my son to me and get you from the land unharmed, triumphant over a third part of the host of the Massagetai. Refuse, and I swear by the sun, the sovereign lord of the Massagetai, bloodthirsty as you are, I will give you your fill of blood." Her son selflessly committed suicide. True to her word she DEFEATED CYRUS and had his corpse brought to her. She cut off his head and dipped it gore and blood saying, as she thus insulted the corpse, "I live and have conquered you in fight, and yet by you am I ruined, for you took my son with guile; but thus I make good my threat, and give you your fill of blood." Of the many different accounts which are given of the death of Cyrus, this which I have followed appears to most worthy of credit.

[edit] almost all European "conventional" sources say one, however the reality is

Does anybody can give other strong and clear proofs about Scythians and Massagetae’s ethnicity? It seems unbelievable, according to the map represented here (related page 1) Almost whole Scythia located in present Kazakstan, and myself is Kazak. I consider myself as a Turkic, but Tomyris represented there as an Indo-Iranian. My race is Asian, also almost all indigenous of Kazakstan have a pure Asian features.

I would distinguish two important points:

Kazak parents are still give the name Tomiris to the girl child. The steppes of Kazakstan full of these statues2, dated 1- 8 AD, you may pay close attention to the photos, faces also have a pure Asian features. Also I would say, the excavated sculls in a royal and noble kurgans which dated far before Christ had a strong Asiatic features

1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png

2 http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4766/tasbabalar1do8.gif http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5615/tasbabalar2ek2.gif