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[edit] Tommy's Dad

It says that Tommy's father worked at the printing works. Although there is a printing works, and there is an old man that works there I don't think there's anything that mentions they're related, besides maybe if that man called Tommy "son" (wich doesn't necessarily mean he's Tommy's father, as if I recall Mitch, Phil, and the General all called him "son" at one time or another)

well, if i remeber correctly, i think tommy says to the guy "my pop used to run a print shop" or something to that effect... it's been awhile since i played vice city... -shane

  • Yeah I remember something like that too Kappa 22:50, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • The guy who runs the print works is called Mr. Kelly, He isn't related to Tommy, Tommy mentions to Mr. Kelly that his father also worked in a Print Works and that Tommy wanted to do the same but things worked out differently and he ended up a hitman for the Forelli's.---Greene01
  • After playing the game recently I'm pretty sure he made some sort of suggestion that the print works his father worked in was indeed the Vice City Print works and I remember thinking how that wouldn't exactly make sense at the time. I may have misheard it but it's something to check out. - .:Alex:. 09:46, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] removed redirect

as suggested at http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2005-May/029158.html CrystyB

I don't see the practicality of doing this. The table of contents in the redirect-to article should be sufficient in allowing users to determine where they would want to go to. Besides, Vercetti has far little background information than Claude Speed to merit an article. I'll rather we simply fix the redirect pages to not include piped links and wait until WP supports them for redirecting syntaxes before taking any action. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 13:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC) ╫
  • I think that Tommy Vercetti more than deserves an article, Ive seen much shorter article's and i believe that Tommy is one of the most popular GTA character's ever if not the Most popular. ---Greene01

[edit] How do we know that Tommy Vercetti was really born in 1951?

How do you know the source that you received the birth date from is reliable, when a fan created the website?

For this article, the source of the birthdates is derived from an user-made FAQ in IGN. I doubt the reliability of it, given that it never mentioned where the birthdays were sourced from. However, this section of an article related to Vice City Stories mentions that the Vice City manual provides the birthdates of the characters, but having only the manual of the PC version, I have yet to find this bit of information and requested that someone else verify the PS2 and Xbox (Double Pack, that is) manuals.

The official Vice City website also produces nothing, by the way. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 15:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC) ╫

  • This has no official evidence and as such has been removed -- Greene01

Actually, it says so in the VC Manual. Sean mc Sean 20:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more specific, Sean? User:ZS states above that it doesn't seem to appear in the PC version manual, and I have the European PS2 version manual which doesn't directly refer to Tommy at all. Dbam Talk/Contributions 17:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I mean the GuideBook. Sean mc Sean 21:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Edit War

I can't do anything to resolve this edit war, mainly because Sean mc sean won't listen to reason; it's also quite possible he knows he's incorrect, but strangely wishes to continue with this constant reverting. Only when Sean stops will I, or anyone else, be able to stop. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 05:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

This is a case of scope creep. Note that this article is on Tommy Vercetti, not one on the Vances or a which-Vance-was-killed argument. Stick to the topic and keep this issue in List of characters in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories. Secondly, given that this article is explaining a character in Vice City, we stick to information that is provided in Vice City (this means that Victor's implied death applies here); nothing else, including unrelated info in Vice City Stories. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 11:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC) ╫
This message refers to Sean. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 11:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC) ╫
Even then, if the article is even going to bother to address it, then it should be addressed with the correct information, or rather, the sourced information; in the end, either put the correct info in, or completely remove it. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 20:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this guy real or fake?Is He?

Well i did some research saying some websites that he's real,Is he?--Someguyudontknow 01:12, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

No, he is entirely fictional. Eganio (talk) 04:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up

Did some editing of the article, since it was listed on the GTA taskforce worklist. Eganio (talk) 04:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In-universe

Resolved. EganioTalk 23:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The tag at the top of the article argues that the perspective needs to be more non-fictional, but I don't really see how this can be achieved. When describing a fictional story (such as in a Wikipedia article on a film), a non-fictional perspective is never employed since it inevitably confuses the reader, so why should we expect to do so for a fictional character? Eganio (talk) 06:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

What it means is that the article is mainly focused on how the character effects/is effected by the plot, and lacks a real world perspective. Things such as development of the character, design, critical reaction to the character, etc. If a reliable source is found, the Relation to Tony Montana section is a good start as it relates to the inspiration for Tommy. If you look at Cloud Strife, Mario and Raiden (Metal Gear), they all have in depth sections on the development of the characters. That's what the tag is saying is missing. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 08:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, but where do we seek out such information? I'm not sure where the information acquired for the characters you mentioned originated...is there a similar verifiable source for GTA characters? As far as the Tony Montana reference is concerned, I'm not even sure it should be there, since no sources are cited, and it seems to be the result of someone's original research. While I do agree that the aspects you enumerated may augment the article, I personally believe the in-universe description to be far more important, because this character does not exist outside of the GTA universe, nor does his supposed influence, Tony Montana, exist outside of the film Scarface. Furthermore, IMO, a real-world perspective on a video game character should only be meant as supporting material, as it would have little relevance within the game's universe. I think if someone can find a good source, this new information would be beneficial, but I still think the overall perspective of the article should remain as it is. Thoughts? Eganio (talk) 01:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Reliable, out of universe sources are a requirement when establishing the subject of an article's notability. If an article cannot meet this requirement then it fails the notability guideline. Also articles that are simply retelling the plot with no critical commentary or insight into why the plot is as it is may constitute copyright infringement. The in-universe description is important, but to meet Wikipedia standards it must be accompanied by reason and reaction. Most characters do not exist outside their own universe but all do go through the process of development and reaction by critics and consumers. Every article on a fictional subject must have real world perspective. The best articles on fictional topics are mostly made up real world information. I don't have any sources of information myself, but if I was looking I'd look for official guides, interviews, magazine articles (previews in particular, that are introducing the game tend to talk about the characters a lot) and so forth. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 12:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I've just noticed that the article already has a link to an interview with the motion capture actor who played Tommy. That would be an excellent place to get information to start a development/production section. Also I had a quick look using Google and I found this feature on gamechronicles.com about the Scarface link and this interview with Dan Houser about Tommy. So with these three links it should be possible to cover things like inspiration, development (as far as motion capture goes) and reasons for character choice, to name just a few things. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 14:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Well said, Dbam. I was under the impression that the wording of Tommy's involvement in the plotline was in question. I absolutely agree that the real-world perspective regarding development and reaction should be included. You seem to know where to go to get that info, so would you be so kind as to beef up the article accordingly? Eganio (talk) 22:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Both those comments were mine. I might take a look at it within the few days, but my editing's here and there at the moment. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 08:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about that. Brain fart...I knew I was talking to you, BillPP. Got you confused with someone else. EganioTalk 13:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
No problemo. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 14:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Give prologues the past perfect

Resolved. EganioTalk 00:05, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I was reading this page yesterday and some foo' changed the prologue. Why? Answer below, please. -- ₪ SETH GECKO ¥ Give me a conversation ƒ My Contributions ¥| ₪ —Preceding comment was added at 12:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I changed it, and for good reason. Please reference the Wikipedia guidelines for writing better articles, particularly pertaining to fiction. I quote: "Works of fiction are generally considered to 'come alive' when read. They exist in a kind of perpetual present tense, regardless of when the fictional action is supposed to take place relative to 'now'. Thus, generally you should write about fiction using the present tense, not the past tense." EganioTalk 23:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Additions to the prologue

Resolved. EganioTalk 07:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

I hate to be a stickler, but I have to be: we need to source the information on Tommy, his parents, and their respective provenances. Where did that information come from? Also, where is it stated that Tommy served in the Vietnam War? EganioTalk 21:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tommy taking over the World Wide Web

There are HUGE rumours that Tommy Vercetti is going under the alias "The Harwood Butcher" to take over the Internet and turn it into his communications empire. It's so embarrassing. But alas, it's true; he's already hit the Closing Logos Group Wiki by hypnotizing BigRene2 to call somebody a loser. Click the link and scroll down the page to see for yourself. It's there. -- ₪ SETH GECKO ¥ Give me a conversation ƒ My Contributions ¥| ₪ —Preceding comment was added at 19:13, Boxing Day 2007 (UTC)

Mr Gecko, your comment was informative but Tommy Vercetti gets mentioned everywhere, even outside Grand Theft Auto fanbases; it even says that he attacked AOL on a BBC News article (the article has been deleted since then). The article also said that he sent multiple copies of Atwola onto the AOL servers. But it shouldn't be mentioned in this Wikipedia article; they'll just think that The Butcher's accomplices did it. -- 172.159.196.68 (talk) 17:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
First, the link you provided doesn't work. Second, Tommy Vercetti is completely fictional. Any rumors purporting some sort of real-life version of Tommy are undoubtedly examples of the meaningless crap that gets posted all over the Internet every single day. As I'm sure we're all aware, Tommy is a very popular videogame character, so there are bound to be numerous pathetic saps out there trying to emulate him in some way. However, we do not need to make any mention of it here. EganioTalk 23:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GTA IV

I'm surprised to see no mention of GTAIV on this article. Vercetti's VA Ray Liotta has a part in GTAIV, voicing a grey haired man in about his 60s or so. While this is all original research, there might be something out there on the interwebs. But I'm lazy, so you do it. Here's a trailer where what I said comes from: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32308.html?type= . Razorthe6249th (talk) 00:42, 14 April 2008 (UTC)