Talk:Tommy John surgery

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Contents 1 Successful? 2 Addition 3 Need for List??? 4 Chad Pennington 5 'Dead Arm?' 6 List

[edit] Successful?

I'm assuming successful, in terms of sports surgery, means that the player was reasonably effective. If that's the case Darren Dreifort doesn't belong on the list. I'm taking him off and may remove others if I notice them, but please let me know if I'm way off base. --djrobgordon 23:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

That's not really the case. Usually the team reports on success after the surgery is performed. In other words, "successful" means it was successful from the surgeon's point of view; the surgeon(s) went in, and did what they needed to do. It doesn't have to do with whether or not the player can come back and play again, since the players might suffer setbacks in rehab that are their fault, or their manager's/coach's fault, but not the surgeon's. Also, I noticed in a recent edit summary for this article that somebody said Jeff Zimmerman retired. I just looked him up on Google News and found a Texas Rangers mailbag that addresses that question. He's actually just taking the 2006 season off and hoping that his arm heals completely during this season. [1] --Idont Havaname (Talk) 23:51, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I would agree with Idont Havaname, the point is that these players has a surgery to prevent an injury that could have ended their careers. Returning from surgery to the point of being able to perform at the MLB level is success. I noticed someone trimmed out Ryan Dempster so I restored him. The level of MLB success is not the point, the point is that this surgery literally enabled these players to be able to continue to play. --Abisai 00:13, 3 June 2006

[edit] Addition

Added Chris Spurling, a pitcher with the Tigers. I know he had it done, I believe the year was 2004.

-icuwoot- 11:57 EST- March 6, 2004

[edit] Need for List???

There already exists an entire category for players who have had this surgery Category:People_who_have_had_Tommy_John_surgery. What, if any, is the point then of itemizing these names in a list that will only continue to expand exponentially with time? --Abisai 00:22, 3 June 2006

I agree; several people who may have been high school baseball players have been listing themselves. Since they would need their own articles in order to be in the category, doing away with the list helps curb the potential for self-promotion. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 17:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Seeing that the category has been deleted, I think that we should at least add some more examples to the article. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 02:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I would agree that it seems a bit silly to have this list here. At best this warrants a link to another page listing all players who have had the surgery.Whiteley.rod 06:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chad Pennington

Chad has not had Tommy John surgery. He had 2 rotator cuff surgeries.

[edit] 'Dead Arm?'

I think that the reference to the 'dead arm' here may be a little misleading, or at least need further clarification. My understanding is that the 'dead arm' in baseball pitching terms relates to the shoulder injury probably associated with a labral tear and an undersurface tear of the postero-superior rotator cuff. (The most complete review is probably the three-part series which begins with: Burkhart, S.S., C.D. Morgan, and W. Ben Kibler, The disabled throwing shoulder: Spectrum of pathology Part I: Pathoanatomy and biomechanics. Arthroscopy - Journal of Arthroscopic and Related Surgery, 2003. 19(4): p. 404-420.) If no-one complains about this in the next couple of weeks, I might remove this reference (to the dead arm in association with Ulnar collateral ligament tears)Whiteley.rod 06:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List

I changed the list's title to remove the reference to "well known". as there are several players on the list who are not really well known. -- Amazins490 (talk) 05:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Along these lines, would it be appropriate to change the list's title to MLB/NFL players instead of baseball/football players. Obviously a number of college/high school athletes have had the surgery and unless you want topen the list up to them it should probably be more specific. 131.104.235.126 (talk) 03:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with this. In fact it appears we have anonymous users who insist on adding high school players to the list already.Rklear (talk) 06:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)