Talk:Tom Pryce

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  • Requests: Replace Tremayne references with others
  • Expand: Pre-Formula One section & F3 Monaco race in 1974

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[edit] The Video

Who is this guy on this video: [1] (Pause it at 1:27) Is it Van Vuuren or Pryce? --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 11:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Response : The guy at 1.27 in that video is Pryce.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.156.30.196 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Nationality of UK drivers

There is a discussion on how to represent UK drivers in F1 articles going on at WikiProject Formula One. It looks as if the consensus is going to be to stick with the current agreement, which is that all drivers from the United Kingdom are referred to by their passport nationality of British, both in their articles and in race results. This maintains consistency with the official results and avoids the project having to judge whether or not a particular driver considers themselves to be English, Irish, Welsh or 'independent Truronian'. Birthplace and place of residence will of course be included in the article as well.

Editors who have an objection to this are encouraged to raise theirs views over at WP:F1.

Meanwhile I'm going to leave this article as it is until the 7 December before changing it to whatever the final consensus is. Continual back and forth isn't going to get us anywhere. 4u1e 17:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I edited this article whilst you were writing the above comment, so apologies for that, but surely this is a forgone conclusion? Bretonbanquet 17:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is. However, I wouldn't want to be accused later of having rushed it through without allowing time for anyone to object. It the wider scheme of things it's no problem to wait a few days. Me not reverting this article again is a personal thing. I've got no objection to anyone else doing it - it's just that observation of a recent series of edit wars (guess who!) makes me think that sometimes it's useful to let things cool off a bit! 4u1e 07:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Amazon links

Hi. Just a thought, but ought we really to be providing direct links to Amazon pages for reference books? The ISBN system links through to book seller searches, and I don't think that it is Wikipedia's place to be indirectly advertising Amazon's (admittedly first class) service. After all, as the BBC might say, other book traders are available. Pyrope 16:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've been picked up on that one as well at FA review. Apparently we shouldn't link to Amazon - I picked up the habit from other articles, and should now be removing them all. Another task I'm not looking forward to. 4u1e 17:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Formula One

  • In Pre-F1, what series did Pryce first race in? Currently it just says that he won a prize, but not what he was racing. We may need to work on this bit to make it clear and interesting for non-motorsport nuts.
  • I'm stumped - what's Formula 100, in this context? 4u1e 07:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Answers:
  • After taking a bit of a read on this part of Tom's career. He "started" his racing career running in a few single races before entering a championship called the "Daily Express Crusader championship, which was ran by Motor Racing Stables (MRS) and open only to teenagers, the cars that they were running in were Lotus 51s. A interesting footnote from the final race was that it was raining, and Jack Pryce (Tom's father) remembered that his son was rubbing his hands with delight at the prospect of racing in the rain.
  • Formula 100, or Formula F100, isn't a single seater category. It's a twin seater, sports car event which Pryce won in, what was described by David Tremayne as, "embrassing ease".
I'll have a go at putting this into the article.--Skully Collins Edits 07:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This line needs changing

In 2007, it was annouced that Pryce would have a statue of himself erected in his home town of Ruthin.

Considering that he died in '77, it would be a bit difficult to erect his own statue. Needs to be fixed to mean that the town council (or whatever) is erecting a statue in honor of him. Coradon 16:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

Overall this is pretty good, just wondering if there was a way to add the helmet information somewhere into the article, seems somewhat out of place in its own section.--Wizardman 19:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with you. I originally had it down under his career section, like I did with Damon Hill's article. I believe Pyrope moved it. Anyway, I'll move the section under his career and thanks for the review, I was personally looking for the words: POV, Weasel Words, etc because this is an article I'm a bit attatched too, if you know what I mean.--Skully Collins Edits 16:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay. I think you id pretty good for prose and style, that didn't seem to be an issue.--Wizardman 14:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alternative sources

Skully, A couple of reviewers have raised the question of the reliance this article places on one source. I'm not sure it's really a problem, the source you're using is probably the best one, but I'll try and subsititute some of your references from a review of the 1975 season which I have. My first attempt to do this has raised a couple of points:

  1. The article says that Pryce didn't get a DN5 until South Africa in 1975. Typically this contradicts what my source says - although www.oldracingcars.com confirms your version. Can you confirm that TLG says that it was South Africa? Thanks.
  2. Does ref 26 (TLG page 158) cover both the RoC result and Pryce being the first Welshman to win an F1 race?

Cheers. Good article, by the way. 4u1e 15 March 2007, 13:00

Thanks for the praise 4u1e. From memory, since I'm currently in college at the moment and don't have TLG with me, I can remember an image caption of the DN3 at the first round of the '75 season which supported the claim that Pryce didn't drive the DN5 until the third round. Curiously though, I do remember reading in the book about a Shadow and the name on the side being: Ronnie Peterson. Perhaps this should belong in the first '75 paragraph, but I'll try and work it into the article once I get the facts right.
What about the second round (Brazil)? The 1975 Motorsport yearbook lists Pryce in a DN5 at that race, although that's contradicted by oldracingcars.com. Apparently Peterson came very close to driving for Shadow at the first race of the '75 season, so I wouldn't be all that surprised to see such a picture. 4u1e 15 March 2007, 15:21
Doug Nye's History of the Grand Prix car (1965 - 1985) also confirms that Pryce drove a DN3 in both South American races. Chassis DN3-3B, which was DN3-3A with some DN5 bits, which may explain the confusion! (p.233-234) 4u1e 23:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
As for the second claim, I think they can both be covered by a single image caption of Pryce celebrating his win at Brands Hatch. The last part of it read something like, "the first Welshman to win a Formula One event", so I'm guessing that's the same as "an F1 race". Although shouldn't the article say that a Welshman has yet to win an Official Formula One championship race?--Phill talk Edits 14:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering whether to reference the race from the book I'm using, which has a short report on the race. I might expand the detail of the race a little, appropriate as it was his only F1 win, and add my ref. I agree, you could mention that a Welshman hasn't yet won in the championship. 4u1e 15 March 2007, 15:21
I've expanded it a little bit and ref'd from another source. 4u1e 23:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lotus 79 image

I question the inclusion of the Lotus 79 image in this article. Whilst I don't doubt what the caption says, it's a bit of a moot point, isn't it? I mean, given the nature of the accident, Pryce could just as easily have been killed driving a Lotus at Kyalami in '77 as a Shadow, in which case he still would never have driven the Lotus 79. DH85868993 (talk) 12:09, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

It's a fair point, one I think was raised during one of the reviews. A more appropriate free use picture has become available in the past few days, which could possibly be used to replace it. I see the only free use pic we have of Pryce is already being used in the article. It's either the L79 picture or no picture. AlexJ (talk) 00:16, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd vote for "no picture". DH85868993 (talk) 10:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Token

I'm a bit confused about the 1974 section, specifically about Token. "The team itself was created by Tony Vlassopulos and Ken Grob after the original Token team closed down in 1973 due to a lack of finanicial backing; which lead to the end of the Rondel Racing outfit." was this original Token team an F1 team, and was it related to either Rondel or the new Token team? AlexJ (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)