Talk:Tom Papania

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I deleted the link that you placed as it is old news. Tom Papania now owns the site that was in Question in the article, written in 2001 and therefore was irrelevant. Nick.

Merely because an issue has reached a resolution of some sort does not make everything that happened before that resolution "irrelevant". -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Grammatical corrections and issues

RedRocket, please refrain from deleting material without first asking for clarification and or references please begin by asking for help from the community. The material is being updated and references and sites are being listed. Granted it can be more documented, and should be. However, it seems you are deliberatley deleteing whole sections instead of specific statements. Please advise your reasoning. user: BrianKarjala

My reasoning is that huge chunks of what you wrote is completely unsourced, and so I removed it as per WP:BLP. I'll echo the sentiments of Loren below, material on a bio page on wikipedia has to be meticulously sourced before it is added to a page. I would recommend you read through WP:BLP and WP:RS. In addition, it appears you have a conflict of interest in this article, so you should probably read through WP:COI to understand how wikipedia handles that. I know you're close to the subject, but your first-hand knowledge of the situation is not a verifiable source. Good luck! Redrocket (talk) 07:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Loren, please stop deleting material that is fully supported in both the external links below and in the article. PLease follow Wiki rules. Typos, grammar and referencing nomenclature is totally cool, but the material posted is substantiated CLEARLY. Markdandrea: Thanks for corrections. Kindly appreciated —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrianKarjala (talk • contribs) 05:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Edit history on the page shows I reverted once. Thus "stop deleting" (which implies a continuing process) is inappropriate. The continuing process would appear to be your editing, certainly under your own name and possibly under an IP when you forget to log in.
Sourcing your negative information in references at the bottom of the article just isn't good enough. That might do for praise. But for negative statements, you need to use inline citations, and they need to be to the relevent part of the article being cited whenever possible, not just to the Encyclopedia Britannica or People Magazine or whatever.
Note I'm not in any way questioning your knowledge, personal experiences, or in fact that you are who you say you are. I'm just saying that the combination of all of those taken at face value isn't sufficient to insert negative material which you personally know to be true into a BLP article on Wikipedia. Saying that "external links support" also isn't enough, even if that is also true. The reader shouldn't have to dig to be sure you aren't making this up; this isn't News of the World.
Please please redo your content with inline citations, and please be meticulous about them. Thanks. Loren.wilton (talk) 07:04, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I made minor corrections to grammer. I have spoken with Tom Personally and it is difficult to imagine that his testimony is all pretense. He appears to be a humble, broken man from the type of man that he used to be. Nevertheless, there has been a campaign waged to discredit him. Markdandrea 18:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Mark William Dandrea —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markdandrea (talk • contribs) 18:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Does Christianissues.com pass WP:RS?

I honestly don't think that Christianissues.com passes our reliable sources standard and as such, that information should not be put into the article in violation of WP:V. Any other views? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I 2nd it. Infogather (talk)

[edit] User:BrianKarjala actually not Brian Karjala

As per the originals webpage [1], the guy who has been posting here is not actually Brian Karjala. Thanks to Ned Scott for pointing it out [2]. Redrocket (talk) 05:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scarfone real name

I removed the note about Scarfone's real name being Joe Baffa because the link provided (a) doesn't clearly show anything other than Baffa's inmate photograph and (b) doesn't have any indication that he is Scarfone in any way. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Ricky81682, I found an official doc that matches the AKA. http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/word/2001/d2001-0978.doc It seems Scarfone is born Joseph Carmine Baffa. He says so on his own website. http://www.youthofamerica.com/Menu/News.html If no one else has other objections I'll refine the links. Infogather (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:34, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

A random Word document and an unsigned website claiming as such are not reliable (either could easily be forged). Was there a court case of some type? If so, I'll look on Westlaw if I can. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
On a separate note, is this really important anyway? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:17, 22 May 2008 (UTC)