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[edit] Trojan condom advertisements

I've played the game, and have seen these advertisements, so I'm re-adding it. 70.228.78.109 (talk) 04:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Platform Exclusivity?

On Ubisoft's official website the game is only listed under Xbox 360 and the PC. Should we add that so far only those two Microsoft platforms are confirmed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.198.101 (talk) 09:07, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

No. The announcement says "next-generation consoles", in plural. --MrStalker talk 11:54, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It's now 360,PS3 and PC —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattParker 119 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

The sources that we have now do not say that it's coming to PS3, although it is highly likely. If you can provide a reliable source that specifically states the game coming to PS3, then add it. For all we know, next generation means the Wii... ;) Green451 (talk) 01:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

dude http://www.ubi.com/UK/Games/Info.aspx?pId=6180 —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattParker 119 (talk • contribs) 10:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected the sources. In future, you can avoid issues like this by simply moving or adding references yourself. Green451 (talk) 17:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
IGN.com says the 18th for North America, as does Gamespot.com, ebgames.com as well. (Gouki)

[edit] Dev Diary #1

Stuff about ACES and rewards JAF1970 (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Lumping everything into one nebulous topic ("Details"?) looks bad. C'mon - divvy it up (Gameplay, etc.) and make it look good. JAF1970 (talk) 13:07, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I have moved the following sentence down a paragraph in order to tidy the "Reception" section up:

"The PS3 version had an average score of 83% based on 11 reviews on Game Rankings,[19] and an average score of 83 out of 100 based on 13 reviews on Metacritic.[20]"

Otherwise it makes it harder to read, Wikipedia listed the section as requiring a cleanup.

Most of this article requires a cleanup and/or expansion, its not going to get GA anytime soon. --Slickwiki (talk) 15:46, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Confirmed Maps" list

Does anyone else think this list should be removed? The list of new weapons was removed, with the reasoning that WP isn't a game guide, so it stands to reason that this list should also be removed.

The list has a lot of errors, too, if you check it against pictures from the player's guide, but that's beside the point. --Icy Guy (talk) 05:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] X-Play review

I can't edit it but you can. x-play gave it a 4/5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.222.72 (talk) 20:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Release Dates

Ubisoft recently stated that the PC version for Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 has been delayed. I tried putting this into the article (with cited source) and it got deleted by Nimitize. What gives? See Rainbow Six: Vegas (the prequel to Vegas 2) to see that this is LEGITIMATELY OK. Neil the Cellist (talk) 21:23, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The game is set in 2010

Notwithstanding the dozens of in game "fake" advertising that reference 2010, see http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3166991 for a out-of-universe reference. I won't edit the plot section myself, as I haven't yet finished the game and don't want to see spoilers. xenocidic (talk) 12:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the confirmation. Neil the Cellist (talk) 22:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weapon List

We need a weapon list! I might try and do it tonight, we'll see. 24.16.47.209 (talk) 18:50, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Wow this Wiki needs a weapon list, even without information (probably best) but just a run down of the weapons organized by category (according to the game) with links to Wiki pages on each weapon. I might have to do this soon? --24.16.47.209 (talk) 18:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Please do not include an exhaustive weapon list as it will not add to the article. Wikipedia is not a game guide. A few notable weapons should be mentioned in the prose of the article. xenocidic (talk) 18:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Would it make sense to at least list the new weapons that were not in Vegas 1?--24.16.47.209 (talk) 19:12, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I could see that being notable, yes. As long as the list wasn't too long. See also WP:VG/GL#Scope of information. xenocidic (talk) 20:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
It's not a long list (thank goodness). I vote for its addition. Neil the Cellist (talk) 01:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "NATO Hostage"

I removed this because, if memory serves, no hostages are reported as "important" excluding the NSA Agent in Chapter 2. If I am incorrect, please fix it. Rockhound (talk) 14:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In-Game Advertising

Should a list of the real-world products/organizations advertised in Vegas 2 be included in this article? Kap2319 (talk) 02:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it's recommended, however, you should also link with brackets to what in-game advertising is. There is an absence of a lot of good linking on the Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 article because I've had to remove a lot of them. Example: Someone linked "operative", but that redirects to "political campaign staff", which is NOT Bishop's role. (Bishop debates with guns, not with a political manual). ;-) Neil the Cellist (talk) 12:55, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Should this be added as trivia?Kap2319 (talk) 15:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivia is discouraged, I've already renamed the section =). xenocidic (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Online problems not mentioned

Shouldn't the problems with joining servers which had plagued almost all of the players in the PS3 edition be mentioned?--LF2 (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

  • As long as they're mentioned as PS3 defects, rather than defects with the game in general. --207.255.242.48 (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Some XBOX360 users are also having problems with online playability. Just look at the official UBI forums for Vegas 2. XBOX360 users and PS3 users alike are having the same problems. Also, single-player problems are also prevalent in the XBOX360 version. Some XBOX360 users, (myself included) were unable to get the Realistic achievement (beat the whole game on Realistic without co-op). Ubisoft merely stated that they acknowledge the issue and are "currently looking for a fix." (again, see the official UBI forums, it's a sticky, right here: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1991064316/m/1761002546 . Hope I've helped. Neil the Cellist (talk) 01:04, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
It's not actually difficult to join a game in the 360 version. In the PS3 version, however... --207.255.242.48 (talk) 01:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Didn't you read what I said? I said that 360 users alike are having problems. This is the first time that both XBOX360 users as well as PS3 users are having problems.
The reason reviewers didn't give the XBOX360 a bad score is because most of them used LAN or short-distance online games to base their reviews off of. People like me, however, with NetGear modems are stuck in total online nightmares. All the XBOX360 games I've been on, I get people who yell over the mic, "I swear I will never get another f***ing Ubish*t game." In other words, there's a growing number of XBOX360 users who are starting to have the same online fiasco problems as PS3 users. It's on the forums, just look at all the negative threads and see how many XBOX360 complainers are. I'm one of them. Neil the Cellist (talk) 03:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The problems with the PS3 version of the game have been fixed with a serverside update.--64.252.109.253 (talk) 15:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Prove it. Neil the Cellist (talk) 20:38, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I myself own the Ps3 version of the game, and since the fix i havent had problems joining games. check the playstation.com forums, alot of people there have had the same experiences —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.136.108 (talk) 02:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Misciting information

Ok, there are random IP addresses out there who keep changing the review scores on the article. For example, some user of an IP address went in to change the EuroGamer review score of 7/10 to 10/10, which is not only immoral, but a complete violation of Wiki-ethics. You do not, under any circumstances, change a review score just because you like the game. What someone else's opinion remains THEIR opinion. Do NOT put words or numbers in someone else's mouth that they did not put in. Whoever keeps doing this, you better cease and desist, or I'm reporting you. Neil the Cellist (talk) 03:52, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

QQ 86.163.245.106 (talk) 07:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Great, now there's even more. Some random IP address tried to make a subtle edit, changing PC to XBOX360 in one sentence. Good thing I caught it in the edit history. Neil the Cellist (talk) 16:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This is not a forum

This is a Wikipedia talk page. This is not a forum for discussion of R6:V2. It's for collaboration on how to improve the article, not for idle speculation and commentary on the game itself or various plot factors about whether a character is alive or not. Per WP:FORUM/WP:TALK I've removed the idle chatter. Please do not reinsert it. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 13:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Plot inconsistencies should be mentioned, especially if the story is inconsistent with R6 Vegas 1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.131.213.155 (talk) 06:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot inconsistency

If I understand correctly, the game begins "five years ago", right? So that's 2005. That means Ding Chavez isn't Six yet, John Clark is. The events of Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield (5 games ago) took place in 2006. That means that it's a plot inconsistency, since Chavez should be Major Ding Chavez, not the rank of Six. Someone should point this out and cite it somehow. Neil the Cellist (talk) 23:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

There is a variety of inconsistancy in this. If Gabriel was pretending to be the NSA agent how was he in the Casino as a fake hostage in R61? -Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.145.114 (talk) 08:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weapons List: Dangerous Discussion (sorry)

From a netural point of view I wanted to mention there was a big dispute on the RSV:1 page about including a weapons list. It got added and deleted a bunch of times. It seems to be surviving here on the RSV:2 page. I'm not saying keep it or delete it (seriously I can understand both points of view), just stating a possible inconsistency in Wiki policy. Sorry to bring it up if it's an ugly subject.  :) --Scottymoze (talk) 02:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

You're right, it is evidence of wiki-inconsistency. However, many articles on Wikipedia suffer the same problem. I'm not saying that that's ok. Regardless of inconsistency or not, I'd say for now we should just let it be. Anyway, good observation, Scottymoze. Neil the Cellist (talk) 04:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Coop Section

The Coop Section should note that while Coop Story Mode only has 2 human players (Bishop and Knight), Coop Terrorist Hunt still has 4 players like in RB6: Vegas 1.

Please sign your posts, whoever you are. Neil the Cellist (talk) 19:57, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title update is available now, fixes achievement issues among other things

Not sure where to tuck this in. http://xenocidic.com/2008/04/23/rainbow-six-vegas-2-title-update-is-now-available.aspx xenocidic (talk) 17:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Is that your own website? If you get it from a different website, we could use it as a citeable source. By the way, the stuff has to be written onto the article in a manner that bears significance (e.g. talk about how the game wouldn't work on some people's XBOXs/PS3s/PC's without the patch). Neil the Cellist (talk) 19:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the source is the ubisoft forums, not sure which would be preferable as a source. xenocidic (talk) 19:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Voice commands

Should the article include a section for voice commands using the xbox live headset? I recall End War's article mentioning that and I think it is an interesting feature to mention.--BobCzar (talk) 01:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

EndWar should not include that, as that is a specific gameplay element. Wikipedia is not a place to post about intricate gameplay abilities. See Wikipedia's Manual of Style. Neil the Cellist (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)