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[edit] Proposed Rework of Article Structure

I'm proposing a new layout of the article in terms of structure so the information can be presented somewhat more logically, since the present structure seems to not allow us much flexibility in terms of what we can add. What I'm proposing is roughly along the lines of:

  • Preamble / Table of contents
  • Gameplay
    • The Cross-Com
    • Weapons & Accessories
  • Singleplayer Game
    • Plot / Mission Summaries
    • Characters (including not only the Ghost team, but also support characters)
    • Support Vehicles (since they don't appear in the multiplayer game)
  • Multiplayer Game
    • Changes from Original Game
    • Cooperative Campaign
      • Plot Summary
    • Competitive Game Modes
      • Maps
  • Platform Differences
    • PC
    • Playstation 3
    • Xbox 360 (gets a unique map and gun)
  • Trivia
  • External Links

Any thoughts? Is it even worth me starting to do this? (This was me CobaltBlue612 09:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC))

Sounds like a great idea, but I don't think you need to add a list of weapons and support vehicles since a weapons list isn't recommended. I guess it's all up to your opinion, It may eventually get edited anyway. --Smashtennis 16:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that a rework is definitely in order, although I don't think the problem is the structure so much as the fact that the current article doesn't differentiate between the console versions and the PC version. Many of the things listed in this article are console-only items, or things that are very different in the PC version. Maybe it would be useful to start making a list? Some of the info is available out there now, but it may be necessary to wait until the official PC release to clear up all the differences. By the way, your proposed structure looks good. --Maxweinberg 17:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

One random question; aren't there more than four installments? I may be wrong, but aren't there around eight? --L3m0n Juic3 (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The 'Xbox 360 Issues' Debate

[edit] Removed Again

I've yet again removed the relevant section from the article. I'm going to put this forward again for protection since people keep anonymously putting forward this nonsense when it seems like nothing but a minority of people flaming mixed with a bit of the usual anti-360 virtrol that comes with games for this platform. Until notable first/second party sources such as reputable websites come forward with definitive information (Read: Not simply a 'Wow some people are angry on thos forums') then established Wikipedia policy clearly states that such unsubstantiated information is unsuitable for inclusion in the articles. Please refrain from re-adding this information CobaltBlue612 08:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

  • And again... CobaltBlue612 09:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • And again... CobaltBlue612 09:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • And again.... Please realize that the forum threads themselves are not valid sources, and any document that solely mentions that such threads exist does not in and of itself validate the argument. CobaltBlue612 09:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
  • And again. I've have already re-submitted this page to 'Requests for Protection' in the hopes this will stop you anonymously and without discussion re-adding that section in. CobaltBlue612 09:35, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unattributed Comments

Ubisoft/Microsoft reps and other users who are intentionally censoring this article by removing any mention of the widespread compatibility issues need to be banned. Please everyone, make sure not to let them censor this public website. If Ubisoft do not like people knowing about this issue, perhaps they should not have released software that includes it.

  • By SteveG: Just to raise issue with you here. Claims such as the ones you made require proof, and unfortunately by all conventional standards linking to a forum thread does not consitute any degree of credibility or notability to the claims therein. Until such time that there is supporting material of sufficient merit, accusations of a coverup (or indeed, the underlying claim that GRAW 2 has such issues) are not suitable for the article. 84.12.100.241 10:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why I've removed the 'Issues' section

I'm removing this nonsense from the article. It seems clear to me that unless substantive proof is brought forward that there is an actual demonstrable fault with the game, this is unsubstantiated and clearly qualifies for removal. As an aside, this sounds like the usual bull that comes out whenever a heavy duty game is released. The vocal whining of a few people made it sound like every major game was killing consoles (Gears of War springs to mind, and 4 million units later, the supposed problem has yet to manifest itself reproducibly) and each and every time these accusations have been either debunked as:

  • Ventilation issues - People not following the instructions and playing with their Xbox 360 buried in three feet of persian rugs.
  • People with existing defective consoles, which while not signifigant numerically, are very vocal about the matter. Microsoft acknowledged that a small percentage of consoles during one of the initial production runs was defective, and has not only offered free replacements, but subsequently extended the warranty on other consoles.
  • 'Haters' who are trying make noise about problems that either don't own the game, or even the console.

Until a confirmation that there actually are such 'problems' with GRAW2 that comes from a source with more reputability than a few forum complaints, I will continue to remove this section.

Last but not least, UBI were in no rush to put this game out. Other platforms don't get this for a couple of months so they could have easily sat on it for a tri-platform launch without problems to polish out any issues. Not one magazine or website review has mentioned issues with the game either, many (PC Gamer, IGN and others) have gone to lengths to talk about how much smoother this game is than the previous outing.

- SteveG 84.12.100.241 10:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Validity of Issues Section

A simple browse of the internet would have shown you how widespread the compatibility issues are. Many articles contain sections that make statements about public consensus and other topics that are not, or cannot be, referenced at the time. This does not mean that they are not real issues, which you would have found out if you put as much effort into researching this issue as you have in doctoring this article. The issues section must stay, because it is a real problem that consumers must be aware of. Wikipedia is about the spread of knowledge, not an advertising channel to be policed by fanboys.

  • I'm not a fanboy of Microsoft, UBI or anyone. The factuality of the additions you make is the sole issue here. Please refrain from making controversial edits without identifying yourself in any way. Volume of forum activity does not constitute proof of anything. This section is, and always has been in every incarnation an unencyclopedic and unverifiable piece of heresay. Until a notable source is found that 'confirms' these issues, stop adding it back in. There is no definitive way to demonstrate based upon those threads if it's a minority of people with unrelated issues, or even if it's just the same person posting repeatedly under multiple aliases notwithstanding the widely agreed upon non-notability of public-posted commentry in forums. Wikipedia policy has repeatedly, consistently required a standard of proof higher than forum topics. Grand claims require grand proof, and this section will continue to be, quite correctly, removed until notable sources are found. -SteveG 84.12.100.241 17:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
  • There has been confirmed issues on the Xbox 360 Multiplayer Online. While most of the issues cannot be confirmed by any source that I can link to. I can however say that the Xbox 360 Multiplayer Creative Directer has acknowledge that there is a communication bug on the online portion that will prevent you from hearing anyone you are playing with.

[edit] Weapons list

A user keeps adding a weapons list to the article, Weapons lists are in violation of WP:NOT, and more specifically the Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games guidelines. I've removed it twice and told the user about a website where weapons lists are welcomed. If anyone thinks there should be one for some good reason just say so. --DanMP5 | contribs 03:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confiscation in Mexico?

Hi! It's an anon here. According to GamePolitics and the El Dario, mexican politicians will be seizing copies of GRAW2. I didn't add this in myself because I'm worried that with all the intricacies of good sources and stuff I'll mess the page up. http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.diario.com.mx%2Fsecciones%2Fseccion_a%2Fnota.asp%3Fnotaid%3D223ad2b765eebda22a19eaa80958ee1a&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8

I agree. Better to wait and see if it actually happens. 70.68.55.148 04:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proofread

Come on guys, I know it's not all of you, but can we please proofread before we edit the page? I've been making grammatical and spelling corrections to the G.R.A.W. 2 page almost daily. I just ask that you give your addition a good read through before you add it to the Wiki. --Smashtennis 16:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Protection

Why isn't there a boilerplate telling people this article is protected? 68.88.78.89 20:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

No need anymore as that template was mainly used to categorize protected articles as such. Agathoclea 20:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quote

Can someone check the validity of the quote, "Son, I can't ask you to do this?" under the Plot section? The way that quote is worded just doesn't sound right. --Smashtennis 02:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

General Keating does say this, at least in the X360 version. But the article makes it look like Mitchell said it. Going to fix this. --DanMP5 | contribs 03:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry guys, I wrote that, it was about a week after I finished the game and I'd lent it to a friend, so my memory wasn't that good, I'll go and change the wording a bit, as much as I can remember so it gives the message that Keating says it. Oh, I'll take the ? out of the end of the quote, by my memory, he says it slowly and by my knowledge of English, its not a question. Lawnmowers Rock! 10:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of "Goofs" Section

I've removed the "Goofs" section in the article for the reason that the so called "goof" can be explained logically. The "US ARMY" printed on the side of the stryker most likely mean that the stryker is, in fact, from the US ARMY. The pilot is Mexican, that doesn't mean he isn't a US army soldier. --Smashtennis 16:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I've thought a bit about that, if you own the game, when you play the part where the Mexican troops crossing the bridge are killed, your HUD IDs them as US Soldiers, so your theory may be right. But I also have this theory to offer, the pilot may still be part of the Mexican armed Forces and is operating a piece of US Military Hardware leased to the Mexican Loyalists. Lawnmowers Rock! 10:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Both theories make sense. Either way, it looks like the machinery is US owned. That's why I removed the section. Smashtennis 15:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] HEY! the Plot part...

Need to be more richful and explain better the end of the game.

To see it: [1]

Also it will be good puting more links —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.227.34.178 (talk) 01:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC).


[edit] Ending

About the ending, btw, I wrote most of the ending, anyway, to the point, about that bit with Parker off-screen, I watched the ending on youtube, I lent my copy of GRAW 2 to a friend, and I didn't see anything about Parker's supposed off-screen thing. However, Lt. Rosen says part of the Parker's supposed line. for this reason, I'm going to change that, and also, just a line here. If anyone has played GRAW from beginning to end, they will notice that Lt. Rosen is the Ghost Chief Training and Logistics officer and is played by a different character and looks considerably different, he is wearing a similiar helmet to Bud's, and never takes it off. Lawnmowers Rock! 06:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Rosen did say that, not Parker. And also, Lt. Rosen was the training and logistics officer, but after the last mission in GRAW1 he was changed to flight engineer on blackhawk 5. And if you mean Voice-Actor, they are the same in both games. Also how can you know if he looks different when he was wearing that helmet with his visor down the whole time in GRAW1. --Semper Fi, Carry on DanMP5 | contribs 16:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure Rosen has the same voice actor for GRAW 1 and 2? In the 360 version, he sounds deeper, whereas in GRAW 2 Rosen's voice pitch is high, almost childish. I also thought about the fact that Rosen wears a helmet in GRAW 1, if the mike for the Crosscom was for some odd reason unknown to myself not in his helmet, the helmet may have had an effect on his voice, making him sound deeper. Also, by looks different I meant about the helmet, where in GRAW 2 Rosen has a headset and his hair is mostly shaved. I remember this however, in the mission in GRAW 2 when Rosen's chopper is shot down by Mercenaries and you have to rescue him, when you find him in the fort or whatever, he sounds deeper like in GRAW 1. I also noticed the team-mates in GRAW 2 look different to that in GRAW 1, only Jenkins looks the same. Also, for some of Ramirez's lines, he sounds more American than Mexican, I do know of Ramirez's up-bringing in the US, but Ramirez's accent is all Mexican in GRAW 1 and most of GRAW 2. If you want to check what I'm trying to say, let Ramirez get a kill in GRAW 2 and listen to him saying "Ramirez, tagged his ass." It sounds a lot deeper and more North American. Lawnmowers Rock! 10:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Rosen does have the same voice actor. And I figured out why his voice is higher in GRAW2, in GRAW2 he is wearing a small headset, which would've had a smaller less quality mic than his helmet in GRAW1, and if you've ever been flying and had a cheap headset, it makes you're voice sound high pitched. Also in the fort thing, Rosen isn't wearing his headset meaning he is talking directly to Mitchell without a radio.--Semper Fi, Carry on DanMP5 | contribs 13:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mind If I Add The Following

1. While there is not a section for the article on this. On the Xbox 360 Online Multiplayer, it is widely known and ackknwledged by Red Storm Entertainment that there is a wide spread glitch that will prevent players from hearing other players while playing online.

2. There is no section that gives information on the exclusive Campaign weapon(FAMAS) or the GRAW1 Map Nowhere that is available to download if you own an Ubisoft.com account. The Exlusive Weapon can be unlocked for the Quick Mission mode if you enter to profile name, GRAW2QUICKFAMAS.

3. If you have a save/achievement of either Splinter Cell Double Agent or RainbowSix Vegas you will unlock 2 headgear options for each game for a total of 4 unlockable headgear.

4. While I have no hard evidence other than the hope that people might believe me(which I doubt will happen). There is going to be a future Download Content Package release in the near future. It will contain maps from Xbox version Ghost Recon 2, Ghost Recon 2: Summit Strike, and the Xbox 360 version of Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 1. I obtained this information from Christian "Serellan" Allen, the Creative Director for the MP Portion of GRAW2. A newsletter will be going out soon via e-mail to all who subscribe the the Ubisoft.com newsletter.

While I doubt I will be able to add 4 do to lack of "hard" proof. I believe both 1, 2, and 3 deserve to be mentioned in the article. If I get a few approvals I will make the necessary changes along with a few other revisions soon.

Semaj7, April 16th, 2007. 4:33 PM EST Time

Answers

  1. There is already some rejection to a "Issues" section, so I would not put this in the article.
  2. Maybe a brief mention in the Gameplay section (no codes though).
  3. Also a brief mention in the Gameplay section.
  4. No mention

Semper Fi, Carry on DanMP5 | contribs 01:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

P.S. You can sign a lot easier if you type four tildes (~~~~) after you're message. It also puts the timestamp in UTC.

  • Theres already mention of #3 in the "Trivia" section. DanMP5 is right about the "Issues" section, I wouldn't recommend it.

Smashtennis 16:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the replies. I also noticed in the trivia section the mention of civilians being in the game. In am confused because I clearly remember civilians being in the first Ghost Recon, especially on M05 Embassy.

Semaj137 18:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I did the civilian thing, that was before I played the early games.Spartytime 16:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I dont remember nothing about there being civilians in GRAW or GRAW 2, the only time I saw them was in the GRAW into vid thing. Lawnmowers Rock! 08:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

They're in one scene GRAW2, Lawnmowers.Spartytime 16:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh Yes, I remember, when you're in the just about to enter the Price of Peace Mission. Lawnmowers Rock! 01:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost Team in Mercenary Level

In the 360 version, when Mitchell and his team are pinned down while awaiting extraction by Humvee, in the level after that where the Humvee blows up, what happens to Mitchell's team in between? Lawnmowers Rock! 08:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

This part of the game was very poorly managed. Supposedly they all fit inside that little humvee and when it crashes they are killed. When you receover from the accident you should see your team members laying on the ground next to the humvee. However, later on in the campaign they come back to life and are usable as normal.

Really? I remember checking around the Humvee and only seeing the body of the driver, I had some thought that the team would await extraction by helo while Mitchell went in the Humvee for some odd reason. I also noticed them being usable again. Lawnmowers Rock! 10:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I have a theory about that, however unlikely, if you ever run out of medikits and your teamate is wounded, one of your other teamates will say that a medevac is on its way and to continue on. Maybe a medevac was called in after you left the zone? Who knows, if you were alive, if the medevac got there fast enough and with technology in 2014, they may be able to be saved.

[edit] I have....

Made some modifications to the Plot part, and I see that still the article seems incomplete. Correct me if I wrote something wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.227.34.178 (talk) 01:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Mate, spelling, and it is President Ballantine, Ill fix up ur errors for u mate, just watch what u type next time. Lawnmowers Rock! 13:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Character pictures

Colonel Jimenez and General Martin aren't really that important to the game, so I will be removing they're images from the character section, anyone mind if I do?-- DanMP5 Semper Fi, Carry on 20:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

doesnt matter to me. Roguejackbauer 21:14, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

maybe someone should start a charater's page for GRAW and GRAW 2, including the pictures.Roguejackbauer 21:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

That would be against WP:NOT. But anyway I am going to go ahead and remove the pictures.-- DanMP5 Semper Fi, Carry on 21:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Goofs in El Paso

Okay, when you reach the level Codename Farallon the first building you see in the game is the Plaza Hotel. The Cylinder shaped building next to it (El Paso Civic Center), is not there. (It is a block away from it). There are NO dams in El Paso at all (the FICTIONAL Caballo Butte Dam [a mixture of Elephant Butte Dam {T or C, New Mexico} and Caballo Dam {under develoment}]). Also there are no U.R.G.P in El Paso. There is the El Paso Museum of Art, but is a couple of blocks away from the Plaza Hotel and the Civic Center. Also it is missing some buildings (Wells Fargo Building, Chase Bank Building, County Court House [Distance], County Jail [Next to court house bus was never shown], O. T. Bassett Tower ect). There is, however a large canal (Franklin Canal) near the Rio Grande. Yes, there are alligator statues, and a alligator fountain in El Paso, but they are not scattered. Yes all of the streets NAMES are real. All of the signs in El Paso are green, not blue. El Paso dosen't have THAT many buildings. ect.

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Mannyjr95 16:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Adding a bit more about Cpl. Ramon Vega

Well I think since the Humvee Driver got a bit of a Bio, I might as well give the man wh saved Mitchell afterwards some credit too. Lawnmowers Rock! 12:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Scott Mitchell's last appearance?

Who said Mitchell isn't coming back? Can someone please provide a link to a trusted site about this matter. Lawnmowers Rock! 08:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] PC Exclusive?

The PC game box for GRAW2 says "PC Exclusive" on it (at least at Best Buy stores). Clearly, it's available on other platforms. It didn't say "PC Exclusive Bonus _____ Inside!" or anything like that and it was just in a circle on the front without any follow-up information. Could someone clarify this? Just what is the PC Exclusive? I know that GRAW1 had significant gameplay differences in the PC version, so, while theses were nothing worth calling the game itself an "exclusive," could it be similar differences that this label refers to? 72.15.73.29 22:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Disturbia

I was sure that the game he played in the movie was GRAW, and for some odd reason, he was playing a single-player map online, how this is possible, I do not know. I know it was GRAW 1 for sure, Scott Mitchell was wearing his Crye Precision Camouflage, which he only wore in GRAW, and he was playing a night map, I think the one where you laser-designate the Power Supply. Lawnmowers Rock! 01:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wii

Under platforms it says Wii, Why?Rlk89 23:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Japanese Release Date

Release date in Japan is November 8th, 2007 for this game, but I don't know how to change the code. Would someone mind changing that? --Bakarocket 15:22, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Was it changed? For what system? Ominae (talk) 03:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
It changed for the PS3 for sure. I'm not sure about the other platforms. --Bakarocket (talk) 14:08, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Story Changes

Have made some changes to the plot as parts were not true, don't expect a reply, I won't be visting again.JTS.L 3:03 19 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.212.111.103 (talk) 07:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] PC game play

Hello all. This is my first edit in Wikipedia. This new gameplay information is based on my experiances with the game and developer interviews found on the GRIN website. —Preceding unsigned comment added by =FTK=jonathan.li (talk • contribs) 20:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] editing

IT says in the article that 48 hours of the story take place what it should say is two days.Also it says that the second game take place two days alfter which is not true because it says that the year in the second is 2014. What i think is that it would of have to be in decamber because it could have been New years two day alfter the frist game.-- sponge6 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sponge6 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Third Eschelon reference

I believe somewhere during Campaign, the General guy makes a reference to Third Eschelon.

You're probably right. Most Tom Clancy games are tied in with one another at some point. The up and coming Tom Clancy's End War will features characters and plot elements from all 3 Clancy games...JOK3R (talk) 14:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)