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[edit] Welcome!

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Again, welcome. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dosisverminderung

Beim ganzen Artikel (Cannabis) ist zu bemerken, daß in der Abteilung, die um Konsummethoden handelt, keine Rede von Dosisreduzieren zu finden ist, lediglich heißbrennende "joint", "blunt", "bong" usw., wobei große Mengen auf höchster Temperatur verbrannt werden, was somit viel THC zerstört aber auch zu Gesundheitsschäden führt, die dann dem Cannabis unterschoben werden.

Dies wäre vielleicht so zu erklären, dass die geldschwere Tabakindustrie, besonders in USA, sich bestrebt, durch ihre bezahlte Politiker und Administratoren sämtliche Nichtüberdosisrauchmittel gesetzlich zu unterdrücken. Dabei verlieren an Wert allerlei Recherchen über angebliche Gefahren des Cannabis, denn tatsächlich nur "schweren Gebrauch" erforscht wird.--Tokerdesigner 17:59, 29. Sep. 2007 (CEST)

[edit] Studien über Vergleiche mit Tabak gelten nur bei Überdosis

Könnte man sämtliche Verbraucher erst bewegen, heissbrennende Überdosismittel (joint, bong) zu verlassen und zu 25-mg.-Portionen (in einer 6-mm.-Durchmesser Kleinpfeife wie Minitoke, Kiseru oder Midwakh) zu übergehen, wären alle Vergleiche zwischen den obenzitierten Riesenmengen von Cannabis und Tabak (eine gewöhnliche Zigarette enthält 700 mg.) irrelevant. Die Nikotinsucht treibt Tabaksklaven in den Überdosenselbstmord, doch weise Cannabisexperten wissen, das zu vermeiden und viele Geisteskraft aus wenigem Stoff zu bauen.Tokerdesigner 01:07, 3. Okt. 2007 (CEST)

(From talk page, Wikipedia German language section, "Cannabis" article)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Minitoke

A tag has been placed on Minitoke, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stephenb (Talk) 12:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Concerning minitoke

Unfortunately I have not been able to get access to the original entry which has been criticized, because it appears as a red (but unread) link in the above message.

Fortunately I can assure you that while the Minitoke message cited may be blatant advertising it promotes only parts here and there of the following battery of objects: company, product, group, service or person.

[edit] Product

Yes, a product is promoted, but not for delivery by any one particular company, group or person. The 25-mg. serving-size smoking utensil is a generic product made by anyone in their garage from parts or materials easy to find at yard sales in every neighborhood, including a 1/4(.25)" or 6 mm.-inner diameter socket wrench, a Mesh-40 wire screen pre-curved to sit 3/16 (.19)" or 5 mm. deep in the hex crater, and a length of extension tubing jammed into the square (driver) crater. (Further descriptions of smoking miniaturization products,handmade from these and other materials, at [[1]].)

[edit] Service

In over-all perspective the intended service is to introduce 45 million hot-burning-overdose cigaret smoking addicts (US) and possibly 1.2 billion worldwide to a non-overdose smoking alternative which can eliminate the 5.4-million yearly death toll (WHO, Feb. 2008)

Purpose of the utensil is to render the service of making a cheap non-overdose (25-mg.) smoking modality available to smokers now buying-- and lighting all at once-- the prevalent 700-mg. overdose nicotine tobacco cigarets, or hand-rolling a cigaret or "joint" with 500 mg. net weight of tobacco or herb inside, to be consumed in a series of up to ten puffs over up to ten minutes.

With the quarter-inch-diameter crater you control the dosage in a truly conservative way and avoid much smoking-related harm.

[edit] Vaporizers

The same dosage reduction service is achieved, perhaps better, by herbalvaporizers which do not burn the herb at all but only heat it up to 410° F. My own research into vaporizers reveals that the Volcano Vaporizer brand is endorsed for medical cannabis users by NORML Executive Director Allen F. St. Pierre (April 19, 2007). (The device can surely also be used for shredded tobacco taken out of a cigaret, properly screened pipe tobacco, or a tiny piece shaved off a cigar.) The Volcano is the highest-priced brand on the market at $600; there are numerous models in the $100-$300 range; there is a cigar-sized glass device for $24.99. I do not know if these cheaper models are trustworthy or worth the money. Here is a perspective from which to view the Volcano: I read an estimate that medical treatments for cigaret illness cost the US economy $50 Billion a year. To buy 45 million cigaret-addicted Americans each a Volcano for $600 is a one-time $27-billion cost (remember, in the 1998 Clinton-Gore settlement the tobacco companies pledged to pay government over $200 billion, which was to be used for stop-smoking assistance).

[edit] Minitoke-- not as good but cheaper

Until taxpayers offer up the means to provide vaporizers, the mini-toke remains an option. For about $7 one can buy a traditional kiseru or midwakh. For pennies and labor time, one can make minitokes.Tokerdesigner (talk) 01:59, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Minitoke

Use my Talk page if you want a response from me. Please do NOT change my user page. I nominated your article because it was written as if it was advertising a product. Please see our guidelines for how to write an article, which I referenced above. Stephenb (Talk) 14:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blunts

While I do agree with you that using a vaporizer would be a more efficient and healthier way of consuming weed I disagree that it would be cost effective. the reason I can afford to smoke so much pot is because I prefer to buy larger quantities, I rarely by less than a half quarter and due to the fact that I am a resident of CANADA and a close friend of my dealer I am able to get lower prices than Americans, only the most chronic weed costs $30 for 3.5 grams, it usually costs $25. For this reason and the fact that my finances are such that I rarely have much money a vaporizer is not an option for me. Perhaps when I increase my capital it will become one but until that time I smoke blunts As to your reference to me tolerating the presence of nicotine in the blunt wrap there are a few reasons for it. despite the fact that I am a non-smoker of tobacco and am fully aware of the dangers of nicotine I tolerate it because 1 the amount of nicotine in a blunt wrap is relatively low due to its low bulk and I rarely consume more than half of a blunt wrap in one session 2 the flavored blunt wraps enhance the smoking experience 3 I have yet to discover amore simple and effective method of attaining a good hotbox. If I were to find a brand of blunt wraps whose papers were not made of tobacco I would be happy to purchase and use them but I haven't yet. The minitoke utensils you suggest would be suitable to new potheads and others whose tolerance is low, but as a majorpot head who has consumed 3.5 grams a week on average for the past year and has smoked much weed before that. My tolerance is high and a minitoke utensil would be ineffective in allowing me to reach my desired high Potheadpoet (talk) 16:36, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

Hi there! I would invite you to read the Wikipedia policy on original research, which may help you understand why your recent proposed edits to Cannabis (drug) have not been accepted. Note that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a forum or message board, so that's why we insist that everything be verifiable. Thanks, and happy wiki-ing! --Jaysweet (talk) 22:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The case for minitoke (one-hitter) info

What you describe as original research is, I think, common knowledge-- among a minority of cannabis users, true. One must take into account the fact that a pro-overdose bias among smokers is maintained chiefly by a gigantic propaganda effort by tobacco companies-- $8 bil./year in US alone, I remember reading-- without which a majority of smokers might agree a narrow crater burns the herb less hot, permits eliminating sidestream smoke (SSS) and protects health. (Also Big Tobackgo controls politicians in the US, which in turn threatens any country which defies its anti-cannabis (anti-"paraphernalia") stance with economic sanctions.)

1. The narrower the crater, the less volume of suction (air movement) is needed to capture all smoke generated, permitting reduced burning temperature.--

I have not found publications verifying this, but I submit to you any researchers who openly challenged the hot-burning-overdose industry (Big Tobackgo) in this way might lose their accreditation etc. In other words, intimidation is the problem. If Wikipedia is going to "change the world" (or is that slogan only for fundgivers, not for editors?) there's no better way than to attack public health problem #1, 5.4 million deaths per year from cigarets (WHO Feb. 2008 estimate).

2. Eliminate side-stream smoke.--

Again, millions know this, but it's safe to say a huge majority of the 1.2 billion smokers worldwide never try a narrow crater utensil. Among other things, they're afraid to be caught possessing such a utensil because it has been stigmatized as illegal "cannabis paraphernalia". (Read up on Big Tobackgo contributions to U. S. politicians, especially Republicans, who pass "head shop laws" protecting the lucrative tobacco overdose "tradition").

3. Lower dosages protect health.--

Again, if researchers weren't intimidated, there would long since be concensus on this. True, a minitoke utensil is not as good as a vaporizer-- but can be hundreds of dollars cheaper. It appears most smokers wrongly believe they can't afford a vaporizer-- but a pack-a-day addict at US$2000/year might just consider a $600 Volcano. (The tobacco might even taste better too.) A one-hitter they can make in their garage for pennies. (I can agree that the minitoke information might best be placed after rather than before the vaporizer information.)

Consider that it has been known for decades that a cigaret (when sucked on) burns at 1500° F/860° C, and now we have a vaporizer that heats herb material to 365°F. The quarter-inch-diameter crater utensil falls somewhere in between; and what if the Wikipedia nudged researchers to dare taking on the job of finding out what the exact figure is?

Finally, no offense meant, but just why would you choose a username like "Jaysweet". A"jay" usually contains 500 mg. of herb (compared to 700 mg. for a tobacco cigaret and 25 mg. for a single serving in a properly designed toker). Would you be willing to comment on whether you have a romantic overdose-bias lurking in your psyche somewhere? A "jay" at several hundred degrees lower temperature might be as sweet? (Besides, can you afford to waste all that cannabinol?)Tokerdesigner (talk) 22:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh, first of all, Jay Sweet is my name, dude. Like, you know, my real name. That my parents gave me. And that has nothing to do with drugs whatsoever. Please don't knock it, kthx.
Second of all, yeah, I mean, I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying, but it still is original research according to the Wikipedia definition. If 100% of the population of the world believes a certain thing, but there is no 3rd party reliable source (again, according the Wikipedia definition of "reliable source") that corroborates that, then it still counts as original research for the purposes of Wikipedia. The point is verifiability, and without a reliable source for your assertions, it is not verifiable -- no matter how true it may or may not be.
Anyway, I haven't reverted your changes; other people have. So there is no point in convincing me. I'm just trying to help you understand Wikipedia policies a little better, so you see why people will revert unverifiable assertions like that. (And again, when I use the words reliable source, original research, and verifiability in the previous sentences, I am referring specifically to the Wikipedia definitions, which I have linked to inline). --Jaysweet (talk) 14:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Apologies

March 10-- Thanks for your response and apologies for any offense about the Username Jaysweet based as it is on your given name. My observation holds true to the extent that as presented on Wikipedia that username will suggest to some readers (especially on pages related to cannabis) an interest in 500-mg. hot burning overdose devices. The propaganda effect happens separately from any consideration of personal history, and the Big Tobackgo executives are rubbing their hands gleefully.

My own example: I was given the name Robert and I had an older brother named Dick. The leading comic strip in the newspapers (printed first on the Sunday color page) was Dick Tracy. What (whom) did Dick (detective) Tracy catch, sometimes beat or shoot, and deliver to jail? Robbers. Obviously there was some unconscious psychological thing which typecast me as the villain, the loser, atc. but at least I was luckier than Abel in the Genesis story. Anyway I changed to using my middle name and things have been better. No offense intended.Tokerdesigner (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, for what it's worth you are the only person I have ever heard of suggest that the very name "Jay" (being a quite common male name, at least in the US) as so directly conjuring an image of a joint, let alone having some sort of subtle "propaganda" effect in favor of "Big Tobackgo" (?!?). heh... I'm not really worried about it. --Jaysweet (talk) 18:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More about Jay

It's not, apparently, suggestive of the image of a "joint" but refers to the initial letter "J". I have heard the word used over a period of years but, hey, that's original research.

The issue regarding the tobacco industry is that, to protect their profit margin, they must get any alternative to the hot burning overdose nicotine cigaret suppressed, such as slow burning miniature pipes. If cigaret smokers imitate some cannabis users the result will be they can get 28 single tokes out of one cigaret and the industry is stuck with selling a tiny fraction as much tobacco. So Big Tobackgo contributes to campaign funds to elect candidates, mostly Republicans, who will vote to keep low-dosage smoking equipment illegal on the grounds that it is "cannabis paraphernalia", leaving no choice but to smoke a "J" which is easier to hide or get rid of.

With 5.4 million deaths a year (WHO 2008), hot burning overdose cigaret smoking is No. 1 health crisis in the history of the planet and we are told Wikipedia is here to "Change the World", so maybe there will have to be a slight change in the parameters regarding authenticity of research?Tokerdesigner (talk) 20:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Cannabis (drug), is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Jaysweet (talk) 16:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the misunderstanding. The 5 lines I deleted had earlier been written by me, but not signed ("Apology of a coward" for not signing, because I feared retribution from Big Tobackgo for comments I made about their hot-burning holocaust). I subsequently was advised by another editor that it is even safer to sign with a Username anyway. May be moot because I write from an anonymous big city computer with a crowd of 100 other geeks typing all around me. Oh, too, if you look up the paragraph you'll probably decide it's not that legitimate anyway. (Good luck with your new vaporizer.)Tokerdesigner (talk) 21:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It was to be honest a legitimate target for deletion as only comments that are about improving the article itself should be on article talk pages, though leaving that to more experienced suers is also possible advice (where it isn't your own comment of course). Thanks, SqueakBox 21:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I figured out those five lines were from you, but you also fixed a bunch of other people's spelling mistakes as well.
Anyway, it turns out I am secretly an agent of "Big Tobackgo" and after this last post we were able to triangulate your position. Corrupt federal agents are on their way to your house right now to capture you and subject you to waterboarding until you confess where you learned our horrible secret. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! --Jaysweet (talk) 21:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I confess to tidying up the spellings but that was because of my non-neutral point of view. You may note I only fixed the ones which were pro-cannabis and let the anti-cannabis ones go on looking stupid.TokerdesignerTokerdesigner (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


from "Smoking pipe" You may note I only fixed the ones which were pro-cannabis and let the anti-cannabis ones go on looking stupid.Tokerdesigner (talk) 21:40, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


from "Smoking pipe"


Related to the picture On the ends of the pipes, where you put your lips, what object did you use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.47.38.3 (talk) 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)



Suggestions how the equipment shown can be made safer and more useful:

1. Long tube = low temperature at user end Find an airtight way to attach a 23-inch flexible drawtube to each device in the picture.



2. Suck-discipline Place a tight-fitting stiff plastic mouthpiece, about two inches long, about 1/2-inch into the flexible drawtube. This mouthpiece should have an airpassage of 1/8" or less, helping you learn to suck SLOWER through the drawtube and burn the herb in the crater at a lower temperature, getting more value and less carbon monoxide.



3. Critique of the picture (in article, Smoking pipe) Four pipes are shown, about 4" long and three of them having a very wide bowl, at least 5/8" i.d., the other too dark to see, maybe smaller. The problem is, if the bowl is too wide it makes it hard to burn small amounts of herb at a low temperature. The ones in the picture could harbor a hot-burning overdose serving of 300 mg. and more, whereas no serving greater than 25 mg. is necessary or advisable with any herb worth inhaling. Any larger diameter presents the paradox that if you suck hard enough to get all the smoke, you will burn hot enough to destroy much of the THC.



4. Big Bowl Baloney Please don't be fooled by the wide-bowl "tradition"! This is the result of a conspiracy over centuries to maximize customer purchases of tobacco by pushing overdose every possible way. Pandering to this "tradition" (by a Wikipedia article showing a picture of wide-bowl pipes and no alternative) amounts to overdose propaganda and serves only the interest of tobacco companies protecting their profit margin and trying to keep the hot-burning overdose 700-mg. cigaret "normal".



5. Midwakh A traditional pipe of Arabian origin with a diameter of 1/2" or less, providing for servings under 100 mg. Look for one with a quarter-inchdiameter. A long hookah-tube can be attached to cool smoke before inhalation.



6. Kiseru Even better, this Japanese product has a crater diameter of 3/8" or less, permitting 25-mg. servings, and is longer-stemmed (though stiff, less portable-- a variant featuring flexible extension tube is warranted. You might cram a small metal tube in the hole at the exit end of the pipe proper and slip the long flexible tube over this intermediary tube). Consider the paradox: over 50% of the male population of Japan (earlier 80%) smokes, yet they have the longest life expectancy on the planet.



7. Socket-wrench one-hitter You can make a proper utensil right in your garage out of a quarter-inch (6 mm) socketwrench with a screen wedged half-way in the hex end and a quarter-inch o.d. flexible extension tube jammed in the opposite end.

Wrap tape around to airtight the joint between the socket wrench and the extension tube. Tie 1-mm. colorshielded telephone wire (tokerwire) many times tightly around the tape, then form a 5-inch braid with a 2-inch safety pin at the outer end (screen maintenance utensil).



8. Hose-nipple A brass hose-nipple of appropriate inner diameter serves the same way. Your flexible extension tube fits over the barbed end.



9. Hard wood A hardwood bead can be used, with quarter-inch-diameter crater containing a screen that rests at a depth of 3/16". The wood will not burn because the small size prevents high burning temperatures.



10. Soft wood A softwood beadhead is permissible if a 3/16" length of quarter-inch i.d. brass tube is sunk in an appropriately drilled opening.



11. Traditional? Some of the above-described proposed standard smoking utensils, for all properly sifted herbs, are neither traditional nor nostalgic, but they do deliver 25-mg. low-burning-temperature tokes = more vitamin, less monoxide.



12. Perhaps the article could be titled Smoking pipe (cannabis and other herbs). Omit "crystals" and other dubious pharmaceuticals and provide information about dozens of natural smokable herbs available at health food stores-- basil, marjoram, oregano, sage (Salvia), savory, thyme, peppermint, spearmint, pennyroyal, hops, camomile, rosebud etc.-- and how to sift them to the even particle size (about 1/16") required for smooth low temperature burning, user nourishment and protection.


13. Single article? I think the reader is best served if a way can be found to combine all smoking under one monocular point of view. In any case, a big bowl delivers overdoses, burns too hot, destroys herb vitamin, and probabnly accounts for almost all pathology attributed variously to tobacco, cannabis, etc. The recent association of miniature smoking devices with dangerous chemicals such as methamphetamine is a result of the faulty social policy of demonizing cannabis for the benefit of tobacco marketers, and if cannabis were legalized the market for these substances might collapse overnight, leaving no vestage of excuse to condemn anti-overdose smoking utensils.


Alternative techniques -- dosage

[edit] Related to the picture

  • On the ends of the pipes, where you put your lips, what object did you use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.47.38.3 (talk) 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Suggestions how the equipment shown can be made safer and more useful:

[edit] 1. Long tube = low temperature at user end

Find an airtight way to attach a 20-inch flexible drawtube to each device in the picture.

[edit] 2. Suck-discipline

Place a tight-fitting stiff plastic mouthpiece, about two inches long, about 1/2-inch into the flexible drawtube. This mouthpiece should have an air-passage of 1/8"/3 mm. or less, helping you learn to suck SLOW through the drawtube and burn the herb in the crater at a low temperature, getting more value and less carbon monoxide.

[edit] 3. Critique of the picture (in article, Smoking pipe)

Four pipes are shown, about 4" long and three of them having a very wide bowl, at least 5/8" i.d., the other too dark to see, maybe smaller. The problem is, the wide bowl provides too great air access, making it hard to burn small amounts of herb at a low temperature. The ones in this picture could harbor a hot-burning overdose serving of 300 mg. and more, whereas no serving greater than 25 mg. is necessary or advisable with any herb worth inhaling. Any diameter larger than about 1/4"/6mm. presents the "Wide Pipe Dilemma" that if you suck hard enough to get all the smoke, you will burn the herb hot enough to destroy much THC.

[edit] 4. Big Bowl Baloney

Don't be fooled by the wide-bowl "tradition"! This is the result of a hundred billion dollar conspiracy over centuries to maximize customer purchases of tobacco by pushing overdose every possible way (especially cowboy pictures). Pandering to this "tradition" (by a Wikipedia article showing a picture of wide-bowl pipes and no alternative) amounts to overdose propaganda and serves only the interest of tobacco companies protecting their profit margin and trying to keep the hot-burning overdose 700-mg. cigaret looked on as "normal" by the masses.


[edit] 5. Midwakh

A traditional pipe of Arabian origin with a diameter of 1/2" or less, providing for servings under 100 mg. Look for one with a quarter-inch diameter crater in which a wire screen nests securely. A long hookah-tube can be attached to cool smoke before inhalation.


[edit] 6. Kiseru

Even better, this Japanese product has a crater diameter of 3/8" or less, permitting 25-mg. servings, and is longer-stemmed (though stiff, less portable-- a variant featuring a flexible extension tube instead of the bamboo midpiece is warranted. You might cram a small metal tube in the hole at the exit end of the pipe headpiece and slip the long flexible tube over this intermediary tube). Consider the paradox: over 50% of the male population of Japan (after WWII it was 80%) smokes, yet they have the longest life expectancy on the planet-- even while using cigarets, they may puff less hard (lower burning temperature) or use an extension holder (Shinichi Suzuki 1898-1998 is shown with one, about ten cm. long).

[edit] 7. Socket-wrench one-hitter

You can make a proper utensil right in your garage out of a quarter-inch (6 mm) socketwrench with a screen wedged half-way in the hex end and a quarter-inch o.d. x 20" flexible extension tube jammed in the opposite end.

Wrap tape around to airtight the joint between the socket wrench and the extension tube. Tie 1-mm. colorshielded telephone wire (tokerwire) many times tightly around over this tape, then use the 2 leads to form a 5-inch braid with a 2-inch safety pin at the outer end (screen maintenance utensil).

[edit] 8. Hose-nipple

A brass hose-nipple of appropriate inner diameter serves the same way. Your flexible extension tube fits over the barbed end.


[edit] 9. Hard wood

A hardwood bead can be used, with quarter-inch-diameter crater containing a screen that rests at a depth of 3/16". The wood will not burn because the small size prevents high burning temperatures.


[edit] 10. Soft wood

A softwood beadhead is permissible if a 3/16" length of quarter-inch i.d. brass tube is sunk in an appropriately drilled opening.


[edit] 11. Traditional?

Some of the above-described proposed standard smoking utensils, for all properly sifted herbs, are neither traditional nor nostalgic, but they do deliver 25-mg. low-burning-temperature tokes = more vitamin, less monoxide.


[edit] 12. Perhaps the article could be titled Smoking pipe (cannabis and other herbs).

Omit "crystals" and other dubious pharmaceuticals and provide information about dozens of natural smokable herbs available at health food stores-- basil, marjoram, oregano, sage (Salvia), savory, thyme, peppermint, spearmint, pennyroyal, hops, camomile, rosebud etc.-- and how to sift them to the even particle size (about 1/16") required for smooth low temperature burning, user nourishment and protection.

[edit] 13. Single article?

I think the reader is best served if a way can be found to combine all smoking under one monocular point of view. In any case, a big bowl delivers overdoses, burns too hot, destroys herb vitamin, and probabnly accounts for almost all pathology attributed variously to tobacco, cannabis, etc. The recent association of miniature smoking devices with dangerous chemicals such as methamphetamine is a result of the faulty social policy of demonizing cannabis for the benefit of tobacco marketers, and if cannabis were legalized the market for these substances might collapse overnight, leaving no vestage of excuse to condemn anti-overdose smoking utensils.

[edit] Alternative techniques -- dosage miniaturization

"Reduced Smoking May Lead to Unexpected Quitting"-- Dr. John Hughes, U. of Vermont School of Medicine, www.cancer.gov. (Dec. 2006)

(Unfortunately this idea has not appeared yet in the (Smoking cessation) article, so I wish to sketch it out here for the consideration of anyone who can help make it fit in.)

[edit] The 700-mg. format

Over the last century the tobacco companies have been allowed an absolute dictatorship over the choice of serving method for their drug, i.e. the sledgehammer overdose 700-mg. hotburning cigaret. While some 92% of tobacco worldwide is made into cigarets, some say nearly 99% of the advertising budget -- now nearly $10 bil./yr.USA alone-- is used to glamorize the cigaret format from whence cometh their profit margin.

With their monstrous tax "subsidy" to the government and campaign donations to politicians they have also induced lawmakers to act in their favor by banning alternative, i.e. "conservative" smoking methods, anything safer than a cigaret, on such pretexts as that the latter are "drug paraphernalia" usable for cannabis, etc.

(Perhaps everyone need not "quit" smoking! George Burns with his cigars made it to 100. Bertrand Russell with his pipe made it to 98. Users of those products often say, "We don't inhale." They receive moderate nicotine dosages through their mucus membranes and it gets to the brain sure enough.)

[edit] Miniature utensil

However, it may be possible to go on inhaling nicotine the rest of your life and still avoid the cigaret health damages. The trick is to devise a miniature utensil which serves 25-mg. tokes-- of which you can get 28 from the tobacco in one typical commercial cigaret.

The best way is to use a 1/4" i.d. socket wrench, into the hex end of which you press a 1/40-inch mesh wire screen about 3/16" of the way in, and into the other (square, or driver) end, a 1/4" o.d. flexible plastic tube, as long as possible to give the "smoke" i.e. hot gas plenty of distance to go, cooling down before it gets to your trachea. (Tape around the crack to seal air leak.)

[edit] Kiseru, Midwakh

If you want to look more "legitimate" and spend money, look at the Wikipedia article, Kiseru, where you can see an illustration of an elegant Japanese product (made in the Republic of Toke-yo). It has a small crater with a long straight tube, in fact it looks like something out of a 19th century illustration for "Huckleberry Finn". (You can add a tight fitting screen.) An Arabian counterpart is the Midwakh.

[edit] From 700 mg. to 25 mg. in one "cigaret break"

Now tear off a tiny bit from the cigaret ("This cigaret "break" will save your life!"), stuff it in the screened crater, light with a butane maxifer (don't call those things cigaret lighters), and suck as slow as possible, getting all the smoke and burning the weed at absolute minimum temperature. If one such toke doesn't replace an entire cigaret, have two! (The poor damn corporation is still getting only 1/14 as much of your money.)

[edit] Even yours looks better with an air bonnet on it

Then if you aren't ashamed (because it sure ain't dangerous), breathe in and out of a plastic or paper sack several times. You will get a maximum amount of nicotine and a minimum amount of carbon monoxide (the worst toxin).

[edit] Cognitive behavior therapy-- Cttttin' down

Now to borrow a page from Marks' Cognitive Behavior Therapy (see above), keep a simple diary in which you indicate every toke, such as described here, with a "t" and every hotburning overdose you backslud into with a capital "C". Today's entry might consist of a single line:

Wednesday, September 12: tttttCttttCttttttttt etc.

Such a "liberal" approach permits you to light a capital C overdose now and then when you are especially tense, or that certain person is looking, etc., but your aim is to eliminate them altogether! The Big C and little t's showing up in your diary will help remind you that you are Ctttttin' down!

[edit] Smoother

This method feeds you nicotine on demand any time you want it, but without getting the drastic sudden upsurge in bloodsugar ("pleasure") level followed by an equally drastic drop within the hour leading to the next overdose, which is the secret sacred (cigaret) dynamic that keeps the "habit" going. This smooths out your mood swings, mitigates "glucose bipolarity".

[edit] Screen maintenance utensil etc.

It remains to mention that you might want to wire a large safety pin onto your utensil to use for clearing the screen periodically, and have Q-tips, pipe cleaners and a little bottle of rubbing alcohol handy for occasional further cleaning.

[edit] Alternative herb choices

The shredded tobacco in any cigaret is ready to use in this manner. For cigar tobacco, coarse pipe tobacco, cannabis and other herbs-- consider trying basil, marjoram, oregano, rosemary, sage, savory, thyme, peppermint, spearmint, pennyroyal, hops flowers, camomile flowers, rosebud and many others available at any health food store--always use a 1/16" wire screen strainer to grind your herb down to a fine, consistent particle size so that it will burn smoothly and reliably when you suck slowly through the long extension tube.

Thanking every editor for your patience and hoping you will contribute to promoting this approach which might have a chance to save 5.3 million lives a year (WHO estimate 2003), else what's a 'pedia for. Tokerdesigner 19:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Blunts

The following was entered on the "Philadelphia blunt ban" talk page:

[edit] Article fails to mention role of "blunts" in promoting nicotine addition among youngsters

The synergy of cannabinol and nicotine is such that users mixing them risk quickly getting addicted to nicotine and becoming part of the at-risk population of smokers (WHO 2003 estimate: 5.3 million deaths per year attributed to cigarette smoking). Many young persons don't know that the wrapper leaf from a cigar, used to wrap a cigarette-sized dosage of cannabis, contains nicotine.

It has been alleged that since the early 90's tobacco-marketing companies or organizations fed funding, promotion opportunities or other rewards to rap singers who included references to "blunts" in song lyrics. The presence of artists with names like "Tu-Pac" or "Cool" speaks for itself.

[edit] Big Tobackgo

The classification of cannabis as a "drug" and consequent classificiation of equipment used to consume cannabis as "drug paraphernalia" serves the interest of the predatory tobacco marketing industry because

a. cannabis is an alternative substance which can be smoked instead of tobacco, threatening the industry profit margin;

b. lacking a substance such as nicotine which promotes habitual heavy overdosing, cannabis permits its users to get by with very small servings (as little as 25 mg. in a minitoke utensil, which anyone can make inexpensively). By branding such a utensil "drug paraphernalia", tobacco interests (through their tax-supported aiders and abettors in government) can achieve a situation of "compulsory overdose" where anyone who wants to possess and use an anti-overdose utensil, even only for purpose of tobacco use, risks social and legal sanctions based on the accusation of illegal cannabis use. This makes it easier to maneuver the large majority of tobacco users into the hot-burning-overdose category of many 700-mg. cigarettes every day.


[edit] Big Pharma

a. Banning cannabis protects the industry profits represented by many lucrative drugs for which cannabis might allegedy substitute at far lower cost.

b. If cannabis legalization resulted in popularizing an anti-overdose utensil among present-day cigarette-smokers, the resulting possible drastic reduction in illnesses now caused by the hot-burning-overdose tobacco smoking method (cigarettes) could produce a similar drastic reduction in the sale of drugs and treatments for patients suffering from cigarette-related diseases.Tokerdesigner (talk) 20:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Philadelphia_blunt_ban"

[edit] Legitimate Product?

  • If a product was legitimate then would it necessarily be "paraphenalia"? Also, the tobacco pipe exemption really depends on what jurisdiction you are in.
  • Almost the entire text of this PARAPHERNALIA article is a reprint of a DEA fact-sheet.

[edit] Drug (i.e. nicotine) enforcement

The DEA can be understood to reflect the desires of the tobacco industry, which enables the government to collect megabucks in tobacco taxes paid by the addicted slave customers. The term PARAPHERNALIA (paranoia + infernal + alien, get it?) is a slander directed at any alternative smoking method instead of the hot-burning overdose nicotine cigaret format (700 mg. every time you want a "smoke") unto which the tobacco industry looks for its profit.

The laws against marijuana protect the tobacco industry by delaying the popularization of "paraphernalia"-- i.e. their worst nightmare is that with the legalization of cannabis the rational, conservative practice of using a vaporizer-- or, failing the money, a one-hitter or minitoke utensil will be legalized on its coattails so to speak, and spill over into the masses of hotburning-overdose slave nicotine cigaret addicts thus exterminating the industry profit margin. A quarter-inch diameter crater with a screen in it can permit twenty-eight separate 25-mg. servings from one typical commercial 700 mg. overdose.

  • Hot-burning-overdose methods of smoking cannabis produce health damage which can be conveniently attributed to the cannabis, thus supporting the argument for repressive laws.
  • Mixing cannabis with tobacco (as in "blunts", widely used by youngsters concealing their cannabis in a cigar-skin) can expedite profitable nicotine addictions.Tokerdesigner (talk) 21:51, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harm Reduction

(This was submitted to Cigar:talk, and archived among 2006 entries.)

Smokers should have an alternative to the bipolarity of "all or nothing"-- either purchasing and consuming tobacco in expensive giant overdoses of several grams each or cold turkey quitting.

So, how about including a reminder that with an appropriate utensil one may reduce the serving size of "a smoke" from an entire cigar each time you light up, down to 25 mg.:

l. Start with a quarter-inch socket wrench.

2. Push a screen (Mesh 40) about 3/16" of the way into the hex end.

3. Push a quarter-inch (outer diameter) flexible plastic tube into the other (square, or driver") end. This should be long enough to give the smoke time to cool down before it reaches you.

4. Wrap duct tape around the seam.

5. Wire on a big safety pin for occasional clearing of screen windows.

6. Have on hand prickly pipe cleaners, q-tips, and a small bottle of rubbing alcohol for clean-outs (infrequent).

7. Have one or more small cases in which to carry cigar(s) around so you can choose which flavor of toke you at any particular time.

With a razor knife cut off a tiny bit of the cigar (25 mg.) and stuff it in the screened end of your utensil. While sucking slow to achieve low burning temperature, light sparingly. You will find you can suck continuously up to four seconds before filling your mouth, and then "puff" the acquired material quickly out the nose to resume the slow sucking process for several seconds longer.

If you aren't afraid what others think, this can save you a ton of money (the hell with their profit margin) and it eliminates the side stream smoke "liberals" are supposedly enraged about.

If there is any danger cops will inspect your car and object to such a utensil, have your congressman send you a letter certifying it is for safe hygienic tobacco use.

all>—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokerdesigner (talk • contribs) 00:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

The following is a note left on a user page:

[edit] "Reachforth" vs "Tobackgo"

Sorry to bring you "back" to September 23, but when you changed the word "cannabis" to "tobacco" you got in the way of warning especially youngsters that the synergy of tobacco and cannabis is harmful not because of the cannabis but because of the tobacco. The WHO (est. 2003) says tobacco-- mainly cigarets-- is killing 5.3 million human beings a year, the greatest genocide in the history of the planet, meanwhile no one offers any proof that riefer ever killed anyone. Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dr.W._Gravy"


[edit] Vaporizer! Vaporizer! Vaporizer! -- or, failing the money(??), a minitoke utensil

Having read your comment about "blunts" on the Cannabis smoking discussion page, I wondered, (a) Where does he get the money to waste all that riefer in a big fat 1500° F. smoking device, and (b) why does he tolerate the admixture of nicotine (in the cigar wrapper)?

I know some cannabis users are proud of how much herb they can burn up without getting tobacco cancer etc., but think seriously about outgrowing all that chauvinism. My suggestion is, if you can afford to burn joint- and blunt-loads of riefer, you can afford a 410° F. (or lower) vaporizer, ranging from the $600 Volcano (endorsed by NORML Executive Director Allen F. St. Pierre) on down through various brands in the $200 range. If you are hooked on tobacco and have thought of getting rid of the habit, consider having two vaporizers, one for tobacco (you can knife off a tiny piece of cigar and use it in the vaporizer) and one for cannabis (without any stench of tobacco in it).

If you're not offended by my tone or intrusion in your life making these suggestions, try the Wikiversity article 1 which includes various ways to make or get an anti-overdose, low-temperature-burning minitoke utensil-- more cannabinol, less carbon monoxide-- which is not as good as a vaporizer but almost as good.Tokerdesigner (talk) 02:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dude

Man you need to realise what verifibility is. you constantly rant on how large bowls joints blunts etc burn hot and destroy the THC however according to yourself you have no proof your pulling this out of your ass. if you do have proof reference it. otherwise stop scaring people away from the many options for smoking weed and recklesly promoting your PREFERENCE. Potheadpoet (talk) 16:59, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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In various rants which you can find under User:tokerdesigner, I have been making the point that verification is hard to find because Big Tobackgo has ways to retaliate against any researchers with real lab equipment who take on the job of discrediting hot-burning-overdose smoking devices (their profit margin depends on the 1500° F cigaret). I am preparing e-mails to John Holmes (U Vermont), Donald Tashkin (UCLA) and others and we'll see if they dare risk losing their funding, accreditation, tenure, etc. (You can google the above names to see what their angle on the smoking issue is.)

I would expect that if a 5/16th"-diameter cigaret, puffed on, burns at 1500° a blunt might be even hotter. You can look up the NORML/MAPS 2007 research on the Volcano Vaporizer and NORML exec. Director St.Pierre's endorsement, where they make the point that the low-temperature vaporizer saves THC.

Taking you at your word that you don't intend to smoke cigarets, it is generally said that cigar smokers "don't inhale" whereas the point of a blunt is to inhale, to get the cannabinol, and you are inhaling some nicotine from the cigar leaf.

Concerning the Hot box, I have added a paragraph on Breathbonnet (Cannabis smoking)which is a cheap handy portable Hot box in its way. My own experience (they'll get me for Original Research) is that you can breathe your own warm breath for a couple of minutes or more with perfect safety. In fact, the CO2 is good for the windpipe linings and makes it possible to do more tokes.

$$$-- if you did a $25 quarter ounce every week that's $1300 a year so it seems to me you can afford a vaporizer. (When I get access to a scanner I will submit a diagram of a home-made vaporizer system to the Cannabis smoking article and failing that to my talk page.) You could certainly use a vaporizer in the hot box as you describe it and say goodbye to carbon monoxide.

I don't really believe in the theory of "tolerance" for cannabis but that may depend on the individual. My testimony is that your "Miracle-wonder" superprophetic batteries are recharged in 47 hours (that's Superprophetic for about two days) just like orgasm. Meanwhile, when I have herb, I don't hesitate to toke every day, especially about 5:55 a.m. (overnight is an adequate recharge) and rarely more than ten single tokes per 2 days. That would be 1826 x 25-mg. single tokes a year, or about 2 ounces after 16-mesh screening-- about $500-600. We're both beating a pack-a-day hot-burning-overdose nicotine slave, $2000/yr. in high-tax states.

If the above bugs you, you have permission to erase it as I have recently learned how to use the "Copy" and "Paste" edit functions and have saved this semi-anonymous essay for my own future reuse.Tokerdesigner (talk) 00:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Censorship

There is a difference between censorship and editorial decision-making. I trimmed the Cannabis smoking article because it was a clumsy, unfocused article. It frequently veered off into minutiae that was not particularly encyclopedic, and almost the entirely article is unsourced. The changes I made today are just the beginning; eventually I hope to have a clear, concise article that summarizes the topic in an encyclopedic manner and in a way that is coherent and easy-to-read.

Your comment about the reasons for including one-hitters demonstrates that you still don't understand why people are objecting to your attempts to manipulate the article to push your own personal point of view. Please read WP:NPOV and WP:SOAPBOX before you edit the article again. (I would appreciate if you would just confirm to me that you have read those two pages if you reply) Wikipedia is not here to try to give "young people" tips on what marijuana smoking devices they should or should not use. Wikipedia is here to provide sourced, verifiable information, preferably from secondary sources such as news article, etc., to present established facts.

Your musing about the "Big Tobackgo" conspiracy is not productive. While you may whole-heartedly believe you are correct, let me assure you that there are hordes of other people who have all kinds of differing viewpoints who are also certain they are correct. And many of those people are also certain, in their own minds, that if they could just convince Wikipedia to push their point of view, they could save lives. Everybody has their pet issue, as do you. Wikipedia is not the place for it. --Jaysweet (talk) 02:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No more nonsense.

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