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[edit] Other Things

I've yet to find a solid source on the information that, according to stats released very revently, the number one term googled in Belgium is "Tokio Hotel"; when someone does, should it be included in the article? I believe it should be, as it shows the extent of the band's popularity. bill and tom share a girlfriend named medina velic from jaclsonville Also, I know that the issue of the Kaulitz twins having their own article has been brought up many times before, but I'd like to further argue that it should be done; for example, last year a popular German TV show named Bill as the #1 most annoying German of 2006, and a couple of nights ago he was crowned #2. And really, there have been so many News spots on German TV about Tom buying a CAR, for goodness' sake. The popularity of the Kaulitz twins not only in their motherland but in many other places around the world is comparable to other super stars such as Justin Timberlake. Think about it. Also noteworthy is German late-night show Freitag Nacht News having a regular skit called "Tokyo Motel" that parodies Bill Kaulitz.

Back on the subject of the Tokio Hotel article itself, it should also be noteworthy that the band donates a designated portion of their profit to a certain charity (I forgot which one, though...). Can someone find a source? Bitteniewieder (talk) 08:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

It would be very hard to verify and seems rather trivial. It would be original research to suggest that number of hits on a search engine = popularity. I highly doubt it will turn out to be true. If you look at the most searched terms over the past 10 years, musical acts rarely register highly, i see no reason that Belgium should be any different. WP:BIO specifies that a person must have been the subject of several none trivial second party publications. As this is the english wikipedia i'm not sure whether their notability in Germany is relavant. If it is titled "Tokyo Motel" then that suggests it is linked to the band not the individuals. Remember we are looking for notability which is not linked the band. --neonwhite user page talk 18:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)



How about putting up a different picture. The red background draws attention, but the picture, otherwise, is blurry. Plus only part of Tokio Hotel is even in it. There needs to be a GOOD picture with everyone in there. A few more pics scattered throughout the article wouldn't be bad either. (Anonymous1)

Of course, the one currently being used completely "sucks". If it is to be replaced though, it must be of public domain. I think, I'm not for sure on how legal this site is. It's not a copyright killer like YouTube.com, right? I probably should read the rules. Ay, I'm getting off subject? Yah, this is not an IM.

[edit] Forums

May I remind everyone that the discussion page is not a forum for the topic, but a discussion about what should or shouldn't be added/deleted from the article? Read the rules people.Gopherbassist 01:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For user 81.233.2.176

Where are you getting the sales numbers "+600,000 for Schrei and +563,000 for Zimmer 483"? I had included a source of reference previously redirecting to their Bio within their official web site. You still have that the same source (that one says 3 million CDs and DVDs in Germany). You should change the source or if you don't know how to do it just leave the web site here in discussion and I'll change it.--Harout72 04:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC) TOM KAULITZ IS SO HOT!


[edit] The links

I suggest to keep the link to official band-sites and remove links to the fanclubs or street team-sites/pages. Syrion 16:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

(This refers to merging Bill and Tom Kaulitz into Tokio Hotel --BNutzer (talk) 11:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC))


Any objections. I think the lack of notability here speaks for itself. --Neon white 15:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)


I think the Kaulitz twins are far more popular, well-known and recognisable than the band itself particularly outside of the countries in which Tokio Hotel's releases have been big successes, e.g. UK, USA. Living in the UK myself, I was aware of Tom and Bill Kaulitz ever since I read an article about Tokio Hotel in the London Metro; I didn't recall the band as a whole at all, their single failed to chart here, but they were interviewed and featured independently as the Kaulitz twins. They have been involved in more exploits than just Tokio Hotel, e.g. Arthur and the Invisibles, the Gibson guitar endorsement deals, and more I can't even remember at the mo'. However their popularity in other countries is due largely to their distinct images, particularly Bill's, in terms of style and in general. He has also become a fad/forced-meme on various imageboards and forums, including 4chan. I do think that the article on the Kaulitz twins needs to be expanded with more information, though. There is some available I'm just way too lazy to gather all the sources etc. I'll do it soon and then others can tell me whether they think the addition of all the extra information further merits a seperate article.
I think the twins are far more well-known than say, members of the Rasmus, who each have their own individual articles. I think it would be more logical to merge less-known bands where the artists in them have seperate articles, unless they have other side-projects etc.
-Impamiizgraa 22:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't think they are very notable outside of the band, therefore most people looking for info would arrive at this page. If you are correct and there is notability seperate from the band, then their article should reflect that, at the moment 90% of it repeats info that is on this page. Appearances on imageboards isnt really that notable to be honest. There are certainly no sources for that. The Arthur and the Invisibles and Gibson things could easily be said to be linked to the band. The usual step is to merge them and then unmerge should there be more significant text written about them. We can't make the decision based on what other bands have. --Neon white 15:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
A merge would be the best thing to do for now. We can remake the twins article again but with sources asserting notabilty outside of the band. There's no point having an individual article on each member if all of the information can be found on the band article. AngelOfSadness talk 17:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok. I remember they acted in a German film as toddlers, Verruckt Nacht Die in 1994, then there is the Arthur and the Invisibles, then there is Tom's Gibson guitar deals. I can assure you their notability as individuals extends further than their recognition as just the singer and the guitarist of Tokio Hotel. The extra projects I've listed is also reason enough, in my opinion to keep their article seperate, and considering the trend of their current successes and ventures into USA/UK in the future, I think we'll end up creating the article again, so why bother taking it down in the first place with all this extra information (that I will, so help me god, I will find time to edit). Impamiizgraa 00:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Your assurance isn't really encyclopedic. i think that the Arthur and the Invisibles and Gibson deals aren't linked to the band rather than as individuals outside of the band. If you can add the film then it might give the article a little extra notability but it's still a little light. Whether it is created again in the future has no part in the decision. articles should not be written based on speculation that the topic may receive additional coverage in the future.. See WP:N and WP:NOT#CBALL --Neon white 00:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

#REDIRECT [[Tokio Hotel]]--Dave it (talk) 09:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

That leaves Talk:Bill and Tom Kaulitz orphaned. BNutzer (talk) 11:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


The page hasn't been deleted it just redirects here because any required info about them is likely to be related to the band and therefore can be found here. --Neon white 18:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
The content of that Kaulitz page hasn't been merged yet. Im reverting. WP:BOLD Patcat88 (talk) 19:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
That was because most of it was unsourced. --Neon white (talk) 20:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tokio Hotel Emo

Considering the content of the lyrics and the fashion-style of Tokio Hotel, they aren't a glam-rock-type band. Emo would be the more appropiate Term. 89.53.122.145 18:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

But seeing as the band doesn't consider them punk or emo(They have said this in many interviews), it would be inappropriate to mark the article as such. AngelOfSadness talk 23:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
They have far more in common with glam rock and visual kei, i can't see much to do with emo in their music. --Neon white 23:30, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
They are desbribed as glam or glam rock on enough sites to have it in the article. [1][2][3][4][5] [6]--Neon white (talk) 20:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Neon white. And in Germany there are enough sources (in German only) which prove that Tokio Hotel themselves have always stated that glam rock is part of their musical identity. --Fromgermany (talk) 16:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I concur, there is nothing "Emo" about their music at all. Alternative rock would be the most neutral description, even though they say they're influenced by Glam Rock and Visual Kei (though thats a whole different topic, as a lot of people debate if VK is actually a sound or just style). They don't sound anything like Dashboard Confessional, Jimmy Eat World, or any of the other so called "Third-Wave" Emo bands out there. Modern emo kids hijacking other subculture fashion doesn't make other subcultures emo. JanderVK (talk) 02:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that callin them "Glam Rock" would be a shame to real glam rock bands. It's my opinion, feel free to blame me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.7.101.48 (talk) 20:57, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
They are not emo because emo is a subegenre of hardcore punk and tokio hotel has no hardcore influences —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackblackerblackst (talk • contribs) 19:23, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
That may or may not be but there are many reliable sources saying Emo and with genre debates we can only really go with verified facts not opinions or otherwise. I personally don't think they're Emo but it seems mtv proves my ideas wrong(original source was going to be allmusic guide but for some reason that website isn't working for me at the moment). AngelOfSadness talk 19:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

What about New Age Emo? You have to take their lyrics and themes into consideration. (Anonymous1)


Tho Tokio Hotel Isnt Really That Emo, right?!?!?!?!?

Their lyrics are pretty Emo, but it's not like the stereotypical Emo music out there. It's more of a New style or New Age-ish. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it being Emo though. It's just lyric poetry (which is what music is anyway), but Tokio Hotel has captured a sweeter/truer form of it. . .(Anonymous1)


Tokio Hotel isn't emo. They're German Rock and not Emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Katie1865 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


I really lauged when I saw that wikipedia classified TH as emo. Thats pathetic. Its rock/pop! Just listen to some real emo and you will hear the difference! /Vincent, 9/6 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.227.192.112 (talk) 22:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


Tokio Hotel Aren't Glam Band!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.61.60.53 (talk) 14:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No speculation but verifiable facts only!!!!

Please keep in mind: an encyclopedia is just to state facts and not unsourced, speculative material. And please refrain from adding your own point of view. This is highly un-encyclopedic.
--Fromgermany (talk) 16:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

LISTEN People, its me, who is constantly deleting "glam rock" from TOKIO MOTEL article. I'm being accused of vandalism, but the only thing i'm doing, is not lettting "glam rock" into this article. You cant call TH glam rock, just because one of those *** said that they play GLAM ROCK. If i say that im a king, am i a king? Calling TOkio hotel glam rock, is offensing bands like SLADE or KISS. Think about it for a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.14.90.50 (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

If you continue to vandalise the article you will be block from editing it. Genres are not perjorative, they are of no point of view, they are merely a categorisation of popular music. --Neon white (talk) 01:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
But one should keep in mind that there are tons of sources saying they are glam rock and the band consider themselves glam rock. Both of these are good enough reasons to have glam rock in the infobox. The band have also been said to have smidgens of punk rock and more importantly Visual kei and it happens that both of these genres are derivative forms of glam rock AngelOfSadness talk 19:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for stating this so clearly. Sadly I guess this won't convince the IP. --Fromgermany (talk) 00:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
In the glam rock article there is no mention about TH being glam rock. They are also not listed in the list of glam rock bands. All music guide doesn't say that they are glam rock. The fact is that they are not a glam band, but they are alternative rock band. JNCooper —Preceding comment was added at 09:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
They are cited as a glam rock band, what is not contained in other wikipedia article is not a reliable source. All this says is that they should be in those articles. Similarily a website failing to saying they are is not source, allmusicguide is only one questionable source and is certainly not the absolute source for genres. --neonwhite user page talk 20:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Everyone here saying TH are a glam rock band simply have no idea what glam rock sounds like. Your "sources" are no better than any random google hit (btw try googling for Tokio Hotel and glam rock). Show me one critic or musician other than TH themselves that name them glam rock and I'll shut up (I seriously doubt they could name one glam artist themselves, but that's another matter). But as for now glam rock will be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.22.8.97 (talk) 22:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
The source is mtv, it is a verifiable source. Any more deleting of content will likely result in a ban. Your personal opinions are of no interest to this article. --neonwhite user page talk 16:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
First of all this isn't your playground were you can show everyone who is the boss. Secondly your personal opinions has just as much interest and vality as those of everybody else, namely none. And lastly some mtv news board was never considered a reliable (I think that's the word you mean) source, even less if it is in Italian, no offense, but if no German or English site consider a German band Glam Rock, the band simply isn't. I googled for Tokio Hotel and Glam Rock, and the first 20 hits were from either non-English or non-German speaking sites (same issue as with the Italian mtv page), this page and a few sites where TH and Glam Rock had been incoherently found. If you continue adding Glam Rock as a genre without a reliable proof (forget verifiable, anything found on the internet is verifiable, reliability is what's important) and threaten other users you might as well be banned for violating etiquette. Why is this issue so important to you anyway? Nobody aside from yourself said they were Glam Rock, and you do not own this page, more less this site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 19:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia decides it's content on the basis of verifiability. I suggest you read the policy and guidelines carefully before making any future edits. The sources provided are perfectly verifiable, the language of sources does not change that. This has been decide by a consensus of editors based on the multitude of sources listed above. I highly recommend reading how to edit in a civil manner. --neonwhite user page talk 19:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Read them yourself, it states that verifiable means that you should be able to check the information from a reliable source, which you can't. You are the one threatening people, so stay civil yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 19:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Mtv is a relaible source according to all policy. I have made no personal threats. --neonwhite user page talk 19:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay I can understand a certain bullheaded indivudual considers mtv word law. Do yourself a favour and listen to a real Glam rock artist. Your childish behavior can only mean that you are an immature kid that can't face the fact that he likes pop music. Do not see this as an insult, it is more a promt to prove me wrong. I will refrain from editing, but promise me to listen to a real Glam rock artist and compare their music to TH. You will realise you (and mtv) are wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 15:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Mtv is a verifiable sources according to wikipedia policy. As pointed out personal opinions do not matter. --neonwhite user page talk 18:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Oh please just shut up. Mtv never was a reliable source, according to any policy (I checked). Read the policy yourself, and have a dictionary at hand because you obviously haven't understood enough to be an objective and unbiased editor. No German site ever sayed they were glam rock, and I doubt you speak German any way, so why do you have the authority? This whole glam rock junk is your personal opinion anyway, which is just as out of place as anybody elses. If you had read your so "reliable" source, you would have see that TH call themselves glam rock. So if they call themselves techno or heavy metal or rap are they techno, heavy metal or rap? Don't you dare send me any quotas from wiki-policy again without reading them yourself and drop that holier-than-though attitude. You never even made the attempt to understand anyone elses arguments or point of view, which is disgustingly selfish and intolerant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 22:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Mtv is the biggest music channel in the world, it is known to be WP:V for music facts. As has been pointed out early, we don't prove negatives, it doesn't matter where it hasnt been said just that relaible sources say it and the consensus here was to keep it. You do not have any valid arguement only a personal view which is not relevant and not wanted on this article. You are on your final warning. --neonwhite user page talk 00:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you ever read WP:V, because you would know that any "source" found on the internet is verifiable. If the source is only found on the internet it needs to be reliable. And according to WP:V a (Italian) mtv news board isn't reliable, and it sure isn't verifiable to the public reading the English TH wikipage. Find an English source or at least a German one, else contibute to the Italian or French page. I haven't seen you submit pop-punk or alternative rock as genre (again check AMG). So the only reason for your persistent misinformation must be a personal one, as you don't go on submitting any genre found by some site you label "verifiable". Ban me for all I care, it doesn't excuse your behavior or make your contibution any more true. I had and still have valid arguments (btw nice spelling) and you either never understood them or you simply ignored them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 10:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
To quote WP:V Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. MTV is considered verifiable as a source and has been used in many articles. WP:V at no point mentions specific sites. Sources do not have to be in english. I have not seen any articles that say pop-punk or alternative rock, it is not up to be to add those. Please read the policy. It is galringly obviously you have not. --neonwhite user page talk 17:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Neonwhite, you're so damn wrong here, but you just won't admit it. Let's vote about Tokio Hotel being glam rock. I'm saying that they are not a glam band. If MTV says so, that is the only website on internet that has that opinion and it's wrong. Slade, T.Rex, Alice Cooper and Sweet were glam rock. What same does TH have in their music as those bands? Nothing! They are not glam rock and that's a fact you ignorant little child. Everyone who knows something about the history of rock will say that Tokio Hotel is not glam rock. Maybe neo-glam or post-glam, but NOT glam rock! ---JNCooper 19:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Your personal views are not relevant here. There are multiple reliable sources here. You are not one of them. Please read WP:CIVIL on how to discuss matters in a civil way. --neonwhite user page talk 19:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I have no knowledge in whether Tokio Hotel should be classed as Glam Rock or not. But trying to read this discussion neonwhite is actually trying to discuss this matter in a civilised manner (irregarding if he's right or not), which most of you others don't, if you would like to make your point believable try not to call people "ignorant little child". Please at least try to read WP:CIVIL before insulting people again. If I still would try to add my own opinion in the matter I would disagree with Tokio Hotel being called Glam Rock, though I don't really know if italian MTV should be classed as a verifiable source or not. And there is no way to argument against neonwhite if you have no real arguments against the use of these sites as sources. My opinion on that matter will remain neutral. --Qszet (talk) 21:56, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
I can't find any reason why mtv should not be considered reliable, it's the biggest music channel in the world, it has a distinct history. What we have to remember is that wikipedia represents verified info not facts. All genres are subjective and the infobox merely reflects a number of genres that a band is known as. Regardless of personal views. --neonwhite user page talk 03:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Mtv is not reliable (and gratz you finally realisd that it has to be reliable and not verfiable) because it has no aspiration whatsoever to describe, analyse and categorise music. It is just the homepage of a tv-network, which originally did nothing but distribute music videos. You will never find critics or reviews on mtv. For instance mtv.de (Germany) once described avril lavigne as punk rock, HIM as love metal (for the record it isn't even a genre), dimmu borgir as shock-rock, cradle of filth as black metal, little richard as rock, etc. Now I can't say wether mtv.it is any better, but considering that the majority of wikipedias users do not speak Italian, mtv.it is not verifiable anyway. Face it, mtv will say anything that goes well with the targeted audience (and you might be the best example that the practice works). It is not a personal opinion (an opinion would be Tokio Hotel sucks/rules or is pop-rock, alternative rock, pop etc), but an irrefutable fact, Tokio Hotel is simply not glam rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 15:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
On what ridiculous grounds do you suspect mtv the biggest and most well known music channel in the world to not be reliable? verifiablity is the standard that all sources must adhere to. MTV publishes many article and reviews, many of which are used as sources in countless articles. If you wish to discuss changes in WP:V policy then do it on that page. Genres are define by the media. Language of a source is irrelevant to it's verifiable. Please cease pushing your absurd personal POV beyond all reason. I remind you that wikipedia is not based on your view but on that of verifiable sources which includes the media whether you agree with them or not has no bearing on it and does not allow a source to be discarded. --neonwhite user page talk 18:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Upps, don't you lose your cool. First of all, mtv is not the biggest music channel in the world unless you give me a source:). Secondly, language is important, or what would you do, if I show you a, say, (reliable) Russian site, stating that Tokio Hotel isn't glam rock (couldn't verify that now, could you). Thirdly, mtv never published reviews, the closest thing that gets to a review is perhaps a notice containing information about succesful a record sells, or how much the kids love 'em and mtv-news is just as reliable as The Sun, Bildzeitung and The National Enquirer. To my understanding (my Italian is quite limited, but nevertheless I tried to translate it) your source isn't talking about the music anyway. Wikipedia has the aspiriation of being composed of facts, not every claim found on some site deemed verifiable by someone. I understand you refuse to use your own brain/common sense and rather quote guidelines, but know that your "contribution" does not improve wikipedia in the least. Noone ever supported your assessment of the genre, and you yourself couldn't back your claims (considering you know they are more influenced by visual key and glam rock than emo you must at least believe you have some knowledge about music), much less deliver a review that describes them as glam rock. Lastly, I would like to know how old you are. You don't need to answer if you feel it's too personal, but this whole issue would be a lot easier to handle (for me personally), if I knew you are only an immature child that will probably grow out of this phase in a year or two and then remove that genre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gorwath (talk • contribs) 19:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
The article desribes them as german glam rock. It is a verifiable source. Your personal opinion isn't. That is the end. --neonwhite user page talk 05:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
use your head,man,do you see any similarities between KISS and TH?or any other glam rock band and TH?and look for more different sources...--Sloba (talk) 22:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not for us to decide, see WP:NOR. Wikipedia relies on sources not editors opinion. --neonwhite user page talk 22:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
but then,why not use allmusic guide as a source.its album ratings are featured on most Wikipedia album articles.and they say: punk/pop,pop-rock and adult alternative.besides,man,hear me out,MTV is always focused on music that is currently in,they tend to "forget" about old tunes and thus they should not be considered verifiable or reliable on an issue about a genre of music that's half dead today (there aren't many,if any,glam rock bands today).there are plenty of bands that were influenced by glam rock and TH is one of them,but to call them a glam rock band would be simply incorrect.MTV doesn't ever go deep into subgenres of rock music.they,like,know about rock,hard rock and heavy metal and that's about it --Sloba (talk) 23:12, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Allmusic guide does not refute mtv categorization and even if it did it wouldn't matter. That fact remains that they are considered 'glam-rock' by reliable soureces. You cannot simple dismiss a notable media source because you don't like it. MTV has a distinct history in music reporting and the definition of genres like all media. --neonwhite user page talk 04:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Citation #9 should be removed as tokiohotelus.com/blog is not a verifiable source for who Bill is friends with or dating. The content re: Hildur Panula-Heinonen is based on what? Some random person saw them walking on the street? Please remove this. They are just a fansite and this is an effort to get their fansite linked to the wiki.ChuckleBaby (talk) 20:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)ChuckleBaby

[edit] US Releases

The band have released two singles in the US. The first had "Scream" and "Ready, Set, Go!" and I think it had no title. The cover said simply "Tokio Hotel" and used the cover art from "Schrei: So Laut du Kannst". That one was released in Fall 07 (October, I think) and was available at Hot Topic only. "Scream America" was released in December and is available from numerous stores and on iTunes. It has "Scream" and the "Ready, Set, Go!" remix. I wanted to make sure the page distinguished between the two, as it seemed to confuse and condense both releases into the "Scream America" release. I retained the currently unsourced statements about the IMF and the "Scream" album's specific release date from the previous edit. NDow (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] US Dates

The final show for their North America tour is incorrect. It has been moved from Blender at Gramercy Theater (it is incorrectly listed as Gramercy Theater) to The Fillmore New York at Irving Plaza. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjmahon623 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] PUNK ROCK??

They have nothing to do with punk rock! in the text is standing that they are a punkband please change this crap —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.211.96.93 (talk) 17:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Kaulitz Trumper

Birthday: September 1, 1989 Zodiac sign: Virgo Height: 6' even (1.83m) Weight: 115 pounds (52 kg)


Favorites Foods: Pizza, hamburgers, waffles, sweets Drinks: Erdbeermilch (similar to a smoothie), sodas, Dooley's (a toffee vodka) Colors: Red and black Music: Nena, Placebo, Green Day



Bill Kaulitz was born on September 1, 1989. He is ten minutes younger than his twin brother, Tom Kaulitz. When the two were young, they had to wear shirts with their names on them, so that people could tell them apart.

When the twins were seven, their parents separated. The two lived with their mother and stepfather. Their stepfather, Gordon Trümper, reportedly played a big part in the twins' decision to persue music, as he had a band of his own.

When Bill was in grade school, he was given a hard time by his classmates due to his unconventional appearance. Despite this, however, he did well in school, averaging between a 1 and a 2, exceptional grades in the German system. According to Bill, he liked art, but never math or physical education.

When Bill was 13, he appeared on Germany's Star Search television program, singing "It's Raining Men" by The Weather Girls. He has also done voice work for the German dub of "Aurthur and the Invisibles", as well as various modelling jobs.

Bill's appearance can be described as androgynous, reminiscent of David Bowie or Japanese manga characters. He has two known body piercings (eyebrow and tongue), and three tattoos (a star on his abdomen, the Tokio Hotel logo on his neck and some kind of design on his arm).


The tattoo on his arm says "Freiheit 89" which is German for "Liberty." and he was born in 1989. Favourite Word: Dreist ~(Anonymous1)

i read in people that he started dying his hair when he was 9. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.60.89.215 (talk) 19:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Tom Kaulitz Jumper[[Image:

Birthday: September 1, 1989 Zodiac sign: Virgo Height: 5' 10.5" (1.80m) Weight: 115 pounds (52 kg)


Favorites Foods: Pizza, hamburgers, pasta, waffles Drinks: Red bull and soda Cars: Lobster, BMW Music: Samy Deluxe, Snoop Dogg ]]


Tom Kaulitz was born on September 1, 1989. He is ten minutes older than his twin brother, Bill Kaulitz. When the two were young, they had to wear shirts with their names on them, so that people could tell them apart.

When the twins were seven, their parents separated. The two lived with their mother and stepfather. Their stepfather, Gordon Trümper, reportedly played a big part in the twins' decision to persue music, as he had a band of his own.

Tom did well in school, averaging between a 1 and 2, excellent grades in the German grading system. His favorite subjects included Art and Ethics, along with debate-type classes.

Tom enjoys playing video games, which he plays often with his brother. He also enjoys graffiti art, although he himself no longer tags. The twins enjoy spending time with their cat (Kasimir) and dog (Scotty) as well.

Tom's appearance can be described as urban - his hair is in dreadlocks over a meter in length, and his clothing is generally baggy and American. He has one known body piercing (lip), but unlike his brother, he has no tattoos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkblackmoon (talk • contribs) 04:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I removed the trivial information from the article which is also mentioned in the last two sections of this talkpage as the trivia is completely unsourced and also is content that can be found on any fansite. As this isn't a fansite, and is an online encylopedia, it's best to stick to facts of the bands/band members careers as content like their hobbies wouldn't be found in a paperback encylopedia unless those hobbies greatly influenced their career. So I kept the material regarding Bill's voiceover work in "Arthur and the Invisibles" and also content like when they started playing instruments. We'll have to find reliable sources for them but it shouldn't be too hard to find considering the amount of interviews this information is mentioned in. AngelOfSadness talk 13:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
I would like to point that the bassist info is total bullshit.... As far as the bass he's playing it's not a axe bass because it's pretty much only gene simmons that uses those and it does not look like an axe from photos. He's a sandberg endorsee, source is verified on the sandberg official site. And i'm not hearing much flea influences in his playing. Plus is a straight copy from a fansite.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.136.109 (talk) 15:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cancellation tour has no source

"A new update on the 1000 hotels tour, lead singer Bill Kaulitz has become quite ill over the period of shows, on Friday 14th of March in Marseille he couldn't get through many of the songs and had to stop halfway through using a translater to explain to the crowd. Tonight the 18th of March in Lisbon fans in the arena were informed by Bill's brother, guitarist Tom and bassist and drummer Georg and Gustav, that Bill was too ill too perform and that the rest of the tour was cancelled and would be postponed indefinately. Bill, now back in Germany is reported to be seeing specialists about his voice."

Does anyone have a source for this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.14.251.103 (talk) 09:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

From what I've heard about half of this is true but there has not been any official confirmation that the tour has been cancelled indefinately. I think it would be best to remove the problematique information altogether as it is mostly speculation at this point. Also the "Tonight the 18th of March in Lisbon fans" stuff is written even though it's the 17th which is definately very odd. AngelOfSadness talk 15:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The English and German single articles (Proposed merges)

While it isn't firm set wikipedia policy, I think it woud be better to merge and redirect the English versions(that were released as singles) to the German versions(that were released as singles as there's no real point having two articles on each song released as a single and this way it will conform with the guidelines of WP:SONGS(Apparently translations of songs are treated the same as covers like in Suspicious Minds). This has been done with other artists articles who have also released multiple versions of the same song as a single for example: Shakira with Objection (Tango) / Te Aviso, Te Anuncio (Tango), Whenever, Wherever/Suerte and Hips Don't Lie/Será, Será.
So this would mean Monsoon (song) would be merged and redirected to Durch den Monsun. Both versions of the video would be mentioned in the article (under music video) but it would be made distinctive which video belonged to which version of the song. All of the information of both versions of the single would exist in the Charts section which of course a distinction made between chart positions of each version, perhaps like chart 3 on Wikipedia:Record charts. Then the release dates of both versions would also be mentioned etc in the opening paragraph or a section called "release history". And this would be done for all of the single articles. Whatever version of the single was released first will be the title of the article and so the other version's article will be merged and redirected so that's the naming conventions covered.
If no one has any objections, I will gladly start the work as soon as possible but only if people are generally ok with it. And so comments would be very much appreciated. Regards AngelOfSadness talk 19:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

i agree. go ahead. --neonwhite user page talk 02:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as it's been three days since I proposed the merges, I'm going to take it that people are generally ok with it as I'm sure people would have voiced their opinions by now if they objected to the merges. And so I am going ahead with it and it would be wonderful if everyone could avoid editing those pages( more specifically the German version pages) for the next few hours while I carry out the merges. I'll put some {{inuse}} templates on each of the pages anyway. Thank you to all who spent time reading the proposal(kinda long I know :D) and thank you also to those who voiced their thoughts about the proposal. AngelOfSadness talk 16:22, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What is missing

The article reads too much like a list. We need a couple of paragraphs near the beginning to say what the group are intending to do, what kind of songs they write and why. Otherwise it is too close to help notes for Trivial pursuits! 90.11.101.102 (talk) 09:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately it's a lot easier to be said than to be done especially when such a revamp would need to be done with reliable sources etc. as if it's going to be done it may as well be done right the first time round. You know, you are more than welcome to create an account and make the changes yourself or, if you don't want to create an account, you can mention the changes you would make to the article here and then the registered users could make the changes providing they are in accordance to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. But I do agree that the article needs some attention so I'll try to improve the article and anyone is welcome to help :) AngelOfSadness talk 13:38, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I see nothing at all wrong with the article. As you seem to be a new editor, reading the welcome page is highly recommended. The Tokio Hotel discography:discography is seperated for clarity reasons. We cannot say what a person or group intends to do unless it is sourced. --neonwhite user page talk 14:39, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I think the only thing wrong with the article was that a lot of the information didn't flow too well together. Sure the first two/three paragraphs of the career section were fine but the updates from new accounts tagged at the bottom of the section looked more like a trivia section than part of an article. But I think now it should flow better after I merged the history/career section into one and split that into sections, like the way some featured band articles are split for example Radiohead. And of course some of the article is still relatively unsourced but it's best to work with the content we have before adding in extra info like the band's intentions. AngelOfSadness talk 17:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 2008 Spring/Summer Tour cancelled due to vocal chord problems; new tour in Autumn/Winter????

Please change the 2008 Tour Section:

Tokio Hotel has cancelled the whole Spring/Summer tour due to Bill's vocal chord problems, he has a vocal chord cyst and will be operated on it this coming week. After the operation he has to rest his voice (absolutely NO TALKING OR SINGING, he has to communicate via sign language or pen an paper) for at least 3-4 weeks (until at least April 22th) after that he needs logopedy ('speaking therapy') and singing lessons to recover his voice properly and learn to use it the right way to protect it. He will be out for at least 3-4 months, so I think a new tour will be launhed in Autumn (sept-dec 2008)!

Please put the cancellation in the 2008 Tour Section and place the new dates there when they will be announced! I think new dates will be announced at least in July/August 2008 for a "new" tour in okt-dec 2008!


S.

86.87.83.143 (talk) 07:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

The tour cancellation has been mentioned both of the 1000 Hotels and the North American tours. However the expected/estimated tour in Autumn/Winter is just spectulation therefore that part has not been added. AngelOfSadness talk 18:52, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rumour

is it true that bill may have died?? someone please email me the answer <e-mail address removed to prevent spam>

No. I'm fairly sure he's still alive. AngelOfSadness talk 19:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] bill dead??

ok so ive heard recently a nasty rumor that bill kaulitz has died i dont belive it however i have no actuall proof so if you know 100 percent if hes dead or alive please tell me i cant bear not knowing thank you email me <e-mail address removed for safety purposes>24.59.166.179 (talk) 19:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)mandi24.59.166.179 (talk) 19:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

It's not true. Just a nasty rumour. AngelOfSadness talk 19:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The lead paragraph

Any reason as to why most of it was deleted. If it was because it was lengthy and descriptive, it's actually supposed to be as it acts as a summary of the article per WP:LEAD which every article on Wikipedia is supposed to have. It was three paragraphs long mentioning their achievements(MTV awards, how many albums/singles sold etc.) and success(in other countries etc.) for a reason because having a good lead is the way forward with this article in terms of getting it to Good Article status and eventual Featured Articles status. The original lead paragraph was modelled after other band article leads such as Metallica and Nine Inch Nails(bear in mind those are Featured articles and so are appropriate models to work from). But anyway I'll re-insert the information and merge the two versions of the lead paragraphs and if anyone disagrees, it would be better to discuss it here. Cheers AngelOfSadness talk 18:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I corrected some typos in the lead paragraph. Is it just me or do the second and third part of this lead paragraph say the same now? They both say that the band is succesful both in German-speaking countries and other European countries. The third part of the lead paragraph seems to be a tad superfluous at this point, no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freiheit 89 (talk • contribs) 09:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually now that you mention it the whole European success info is repeating itself just said a different way. So I'll remove the second repeat of the info from the third paragraph while keeping the last line of the third paragraph that's about their success in the US and Canada. I think that should fix it :) AngelOfSadness talk 14:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
I propose reverting it back to [7] adding the info about their MTV European Music Award. The current version is abysmal. It's far too long and contains minor detail that doesnt belong in a lead. --neonwhite user page talk 18:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
But it's a lot of the minor detail which establishes their notability (which is very important to show in the lead) and also The lead should not "tease" the reader by hinting at but not explaining important facts that will appear later in the article (taken from WP:LEAD) which is the only real problem with the version you pointed out Neon White as it suggested their success in other countries but didn't elaborate on how/why they were successful and it didn't mention any of their albums or most successful single (very important for any good article lead on a band/artist). It's important to remember that the lead is supposed to serve as both an introduction and a summary of the most important aspects of the article's topic and, at the same time, should be able to stand alone as an overview of the topic. Maybe re-write the lead that mentions the EMA win, the three successful albums and their most recent DVD release which was also fairly sucessful along with the important singles such as Durch den Monsun(their debut and bit about it's impact), Ready Set Go (first single released in Canada causing the Scream album to be very successful) etc. AngelOfSadness talk 19:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it's supposed to be a summary. The article covers the rest. We dont need to say they recording an unreleased demo-CD under the name "Devilish" this is a minor point in the article so why is it in the summary? Foremost it should establish notability that is further elaborated in the article. There is no problem with that version it states facts clearly. 'why they were successful' is not something an article is there to establish. The foremost point of notability is that they have had four number one singles and has released two number one albums in their native Germany, selling nearly 3 million CDs and DVDs there. and won an EMA. That's all we really need to put. Get rid of sales figures, info about releases and all the OR/synth parts like currently enjoying exposure in Canada and the United States. --neonwhite user page talk 15:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
This is all that it needs :-
Tokio Hotel is a German rock band from Magdeburg, Germany created in 2001 by guitarist Tom Kaulitz and singer Bill Kaulitz.[1] The quartet have achieved four number one singles and two number one albums in Germany and won a MTV European Music Award for Best Inter Act in 2007.[2]

I agree with the Devilish Cd mention:it being quite minor in comparision to everything else. The above summary is fine, it was the second paragraph in the version pointed out earlier which could easily tease the reader by listing off countries and references but no reason explaining why the content was specifically important above much of the content in the rest of the article which was why I mentioned it in the last comment. Apparently they won a World Music Award in 2006 for Schrei album sales (I think the specific category was "Best Selling German Artist") and seeing as it is quite a major award maybe it deserves a mention in the lead aswell. But we'll have to keep an eye on the lead as I've noticed over the last few months content, like their current position on the Much Music countdown which is definately minor in comparision, was being added and even that tidbit would be more suitable for the body of the article on the specific song(Even that wouldn't belong in the lead of that article). Sorry for rambling on here on that last part but we do have to watch out for that kind of thing especially now as semi-protection has ended. AngelOfSadness talk 16:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The world music awards are more of a charity event than a major award like a grammy. --neonwhite user page talk 01:00, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
You're probably right but it was a just a suggestion seeing as the awards are fairly well known as it is broadcasted worldwide every year and are issued based on worldwide sales figures not votes by critics or fans unlike nearly all of the awards that the band have won. All the WMA means is that: for the year of 2006 Tokio Hotel were best selling German artist worldwide. Personally, I don't know if it is or is not worth mentioning in the article at all but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. :) AngelOfSadness talk 19:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NOT EMO!!!

they are POP ROCK!!!, like a hanna montana or the jonas brothers.

it's a shit and it's NOT POP ROCK, it's fuckin' emo, bitch

acctually, the PEOPLE in the band are not emo... bits of their MUSIC is anyone who says the PEOPLE are emo need to die 70.89.180.125 (talk) 02:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

NOT EMO!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.248.44.241 (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Not "Pop Rock" either. You can't compare the Jonas Brothers with Tokio Hotel. They both have unique sounds and styles. . .(unfortunately a few too many people compare them). (Anonymous1)

Anyone saying the band plays emo got to be kidding. --Catscratches (talk) 23:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

You people are just ignorant for even having this conversation. No one cares about your opinions. Genres of music are based on the way they sound for crying out loud. Example: 50 Cent decides to all of a sudden say his music is Death Metal. It's obviously not. But since he SAID it's Death Metal, does that make it so? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.10.3 (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

that's exsactly the point, this band, saying or not they're emo, it NOTHING like emo, or does this band sounds like Embrace (U.S. band) or rites of spring? (the biggest emo bands, if you dont know it you're a poser =]) User:Sheish —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.164.98.134 (talk) 01:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Right or wrong there are literally hundreds of sources (MTV.com & allmusic guide anyone?) saying they are Emo. Seeing as that's one of the few genres they are said to be apart of and it can be reliably sourced, it goes in the article unless there are just as many reliable sources which refute this claim. I personally don't think they are Emo however opinions are not reliable content and just so you know Wikipedia is about verifiablilty not truth. This means only what can be verified through reliable sources goes in the article not what is generally believed to be true unless it can be reliably verified. AngelOfSadness talk 12:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
well if those sources say its emo then those sources are not well prepared and can't be considered as reliable, can they?--Sheish 6 Sheish (talk) 03:59, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
But the thing is with genres is that we can't go with sources from MySpace sites, fansites or even memorabilia sites as they are considered unreliable fullstop even though they are closer to pin-pointing the correct genre of bands than media sites like MTV.com and allmusic.com which are accepted as being reliable. Also Tokio Hotel have been said to sound like Fall Out Boy and AFI by music critics in many music magazines/music reviews and yet both bands have also been considered Emo. And also obviously there is something there which makes most music critics consider them Emo. I mean the bulk of the album reviews for their English album refer to them as Emo so would they really call them that for the hell of it and risk losing credibilty. And I'm talking about the reviews of Rolling Stone and even Billboard magazine, where they refered to them as Emo among other things like glam and pop/rockwhich , and yet both are very respectable and reliable music magazines. Like it or not, but it seems the rest of the music world considers them to be Emo. Remember that the whole genre mention in the infobox is to give readers an indication of what the band sounds like and Tokio Hotel have elements of poprock, emo, glam rock and a whole load of other genres. It's not like we're saying Tokio Hotel is Emo fullstop, we're just saying they have elements of the genre as well as a whole load of other genres aswell. AngelOfSadness talk 13:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
I know that's exactly why the world is falling appart... heh
But its as acurate that this band is emo as saying blink 182 or sum 41 was punk, or that the ragnarök is the begining of times in greek mythology. Besides nor AFI or FoB are emo, you know...
about a year ago i talked with someonen on the reliable sources page, site, thing, whatever, he told me he wouldn't consider MTV as a reliable source (me neither), but as you said, there are hundreds of sites saying its emo... --Sheish 6 Sheish 03:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
MTV and rolling stone are extremely reliable sources. You need to understand that it is the media, in particular the major publications like NME, rollingstone, allmusicguide, mtv etc that identify and define genres and what bands are included. --neonwhite user page talk 12:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
well yeah i know rolling stones and shit are reliable sources, BUT there's no way MTV can be considered as a reliable source due to the many generes they've ruined (rock, for example; metal, in those days of glam metal, or in the 90s with nu, even tho metal is about extreme complexy and heaviness all the way around and very few nu metal bands used both, and if used one, it was heaviness; between others...). Well then, i'm still against Tokio hotel being called emo, but well... i can't do much against... im too lazy for that =)--Sheish 6 Sheish 20:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheish (talk • contribs)
MTV is a reliable source, they are an established channel dedicated to music with a reputation. Your opinion and your frankly bizarre and nonsensical claim that they 'ruin genres' is not important. --neon white talk 21:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
well you might be right when saying my opinion got no point, but yes, MTV, i dont care how dadicated is to music (actually, right now is EXTREMLY dedicated to fake "reality" shows, the music they're stull running is to keep fitting in the M of the MTV). They HAVE ruined too many generes, punk and metal, i mean, limp bizkit metal? blink 182 punk? what else? the jonas brothers are hardcore punk? hell no--Sheish 6 Sheish 01:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheish (talk • contribs)


I agree with them sounding like AFI, but defintely not fall out boy. and please don't compare them to hannah montana or jonas brothers. they are more an alternative sound then anything else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.235.113 (talk) 11:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citation for Concerts beginning again in May post-Bill surgery

This was confirmed in People Magazine.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20190136,00.html

ChuckleBaby (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)ChuckleBaby

[edit] Challenge to "verifiable sources" listed.

I challenge, under Wiki rules, the following sources in citations. That site is a fansite, a fanrun blog and as such, does not meet Wiki Criteria:

^ http://tokiohotelus.com/blog/?page_id=3 ^ http://tokiohotelus.com/blog/?page_id=7 ^ http://tokiohotelus.com/blog/?page_id=6 ^ http://tokiohotelus.com/blog/?page_id=5

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiability" in this context means that readers should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed.

tokiohotelus.com/blog is not an official site, it is merely a fan run blog containing opinions, news reporting and conjecture, gossip. If there is true news, the editor could site the source, and not the blog, i.e., site People Magazine or the Official Tokio Hotel sites.

In particular, the reference to Hildur Panula-Heinonen as Bill being "spotted with her" seems better suited to a gossip blog, not the wiki.

ChuckleBaby (talk) 21:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)ChuckleBaby

You're right about the sources and so I'm going to try and find some reliable sources to replace the blog sources. Considering the band have done countless interviews with this content over the years it shouldn't be too hard to find sources from some well respected magazines and such. As for the rumour of Bill and Hildur, I have removed it as well, like you, ChuckleBaby, said this ain't exactly a gossip blog :) AngelOfSadness talk 20:20, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion Page

This discussion page is actually really good. Lots of info here. Some redundancy but otherwise pretty clear. (Anonymous1)

[edit] The Picture

Shouldn't we change the main picture on the Tokio Hotel page to their Logo like the one in the German Version (Tokeltel (talk) 21:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC))

We would have the logo but such logos are non-free images/commercial images. Wikipedia only uses non-free images for specific reasons, and require justification explaining said reason. Using a non-free logo as the main picture or even at the top of the infobox wouldn't meet the required justification needed to use such an image in the article. It is also important to rememeber that the function of the main picture is to illustrate the subject of the article - the subject of this article is the band members of Tokio Hotel not their logo. Logos are only used really for company/organisation articles not for band articles unless the logo is particularly significant. I don't know what the specific guidelines are on the German Wikipedia about logos but this is what's done on the English Wikipedia. Cheers AngelOfSadness talk 15:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't see none of these as being better, but watev: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tokio_Hotel
Pozilla (talk) 20:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we use a picture of the whole band as Bill (the person pictured in the picture) says that he doesn't consider himself the leader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.38.121 (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Kaulitz

hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.35.19 (talk) 00:23, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NEW AWARDS¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡

I'm writting just to inform that tokio hotel has won many awards since Febreary 2008, i mean the page needs this new information to be completed and also perfectly updated.the awards are:

     -May 2008:Silver Otto
     -May 2008:MTV TRL(Italy):Best Number One Of The Year MOONSON
     -May 2008:MTV TRL(Italy):Best Band
     -May 2008:Comet 2008 :Best Band
     -May 2008:Comet 2008 :Best Live-Act
     -May 2008:Comet 2008 :Best Video
     -May 2008:Comet 2008 :Super-Comet



       PLEASE UPDATE THIS PAGE CORRECTLY AND PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THE AWARDS TAHT THEY'VE WON LATELY¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
           THANK YOU  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokiohotelspanishfan (talk • contribs) 22:44, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing. It shall be done in a jiffy :) AngelOfSadness talk 22:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The twin was born 1989. then the band formed 2001. that means.. they started the band when they were 12 yrs old?

I'm confused... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.106.145.126 (talk) 13:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

why? --neonwhite user page talk 16:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] North American TV debut

I think the article should mention that Tokio Hotel made their North American television debut May 9, 2008 on Late Night with Conan O'Brien.

Zapp7 (talk) 17:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MMVA awards

does anyone know if there going to the 2008 MMVA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.151.156 (talk) 21:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bill Kaulitz

Isn't Bill Kaulitz female? I noticed the article refers to her as a "he" throughout. I'm a bit new to Wikipedia (as an editor, at least) and I don't want to screw anything up, so could someone confirm and fix this? Just do a Google Image search, it's pretty obvious haha Ares139 (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The article is correct. No need to fix anything. AngelOfSadness talk 15:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

OO ya answer her question but don't answer mine about the mmva????:@ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.50.6.154 (talk) 23:53, 13 June 2008 (UTC)