Talk:Toilet training

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Contents 1 Copyright violation? 2 Cleanup Tag on this page 3 Editing!!!!! 4 Earliest age to start 5 Cleanup Tag -- Wikipedia is not an instruction manual 6 External Links 7 Wikification 8 Dead Links

[edit] Copyright violation?

Much of the material currently on this page is identical to phrases at http://familydoctor.org/179.xml and http://www.parentingme.com/toiltrng.htm; both of these pages indicate licenses that would preclude use in wikipedia. What is the source of this article? I think all of the shared material was added 31 January 2006, by an anonymous user at what is now a dynamicly-allocated IP address.

[edit] Cleanup Tag on this page

I am wondering from looking at the contents of the article and its general layout, how on earth it could require cleanup. It may be a little short, but it contains most of the information required to make it a viable entry into the encyclopedia. If anyone has ideas on what could be done to improve this article, could you please post them here and let us see exactly what does need doing to bring it up to Style Guidelines. Thanks - Thor Malmjursson 14:41, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Editing!!!!!

This article needs to sound more formal and professional. It's annoying me.

Can you give an example of what you dislike, or point to a source you prefer? I noticed myself that it is (Aug 2006) written in the form of suggested ways of toilet-training one's child, devoid of any references. I think the most important thing is to add references: there's no obvious stylistic changes one can make before we have more factual content. I don't mean to say that the article has no factual content, just that there's currently few places where reasons or substantiation is given, so it isn't clear how authoritative/factual it actually is, making it hard to decide what to do when other sources give conflicting advice (as is readily available for most aspects of bringing up children!). Some parts of the article already give reasons: e.g. search for "since", "because", "to prevent", "This provides". Pjrm 02:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earliest age to start

My wife reports that her younger brother was poo-toilet-trained (in some sense) by the age of one month: each evening, at an appropriate time after eating, his mother would lift his legs, and he'd know to do a poo. Is this common? Is it recommendable? Pjrm

A:) No, it's not common. B:) No, it's not recommended, and C:) Many babies have a regular bowel. You feed them, time them until you get the hang of when they will poo, and catch it. It is not potty training in any sense of the word! Thor Malmjursson 00:20, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't mean to be a nay-sayer, but I disagree with some of the statements by Thor Malmjursson. I would venture to guess that neither he nor I are 'experts' in this matter, but I have been doing some reading on the subject recently in preparation for the arrival of my forthcoming offspring. Based on the reading I've done concerning Elimination communication, the experience of your wife's family is most certainly common. By common I mean that over fifty percent of the world's children do not routinely sit in their own feces for extended periods of time. While this practice may not be recommended by Proctor and Gamble or any other disposable diaper manufacturer, I can't find a single lucid argument against this practice. Personally I find the fact that in my country we use around 18 billion disposable diapers completely deplorable and unacceptable. See the talk page on the EC article for some comments from those who have practiced this technique. Man It's So Loud In Here (talk) 19:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup Tag -- Wikipedia is not an instruction manual

Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, but in fact that is almost entirely the way this page is written. To quote from What Wikipedia is not:

4. Instruction manuals - while Wikipedia has descriptions of people, places, and things, Wikipedia articles should not include instruction - advice ( legal, medical, or otherwise), suggestions, or contain "how-to"s. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes. Note that this does not apply to the Wikipedia: namespace, where "how-to"s relevant to editing Wikipedia itself are appropriate, such as Wikipedia:How to draw a diagram with Dia. If you're interested in a how-to style manual, you may want to look at Wikihow or our sister project Wikibooks.

I have added a cleanup tag to request work on this problem. Nova SS 03:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I have added the external link (Toilet/Potty Training Method) as a valuable resource for users looking for more information on training methods. I did not copy and paste it here as that would constitute "how to" advise. However I believe the addition of the link in the resources or external links section is a valid and valuable contribution. Please don't delete again - especially without outlining your reasons for deletion here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.158.13.10 (talk) 08:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

The mentioned external link "Toilet Training How To" in the external link category of this article doesnt work, its all filled up with ads and one link sends to another page. I mean the user is forced to click on the ads rather get some good real information. Please remove this article and replace it with some good useful link like http://www.best4babies.com/786_baby_potty_trainers.shtml its a very informative review on potty training. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.162.253 (talk) 06:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm writing on behalf of the Tufts University Child and Family Webguide to ask that our website be considered for an external link on this Wikipedia page. Our website is maintained and developed by a staff of evaluators who search the web for articles and sites that contain valuable information for children and their parents regarding various medical/developmental topics. This site links to our "Toilet Training" site, which contains problems and effects of toilet training, as well as methods for helping children to toilet train.

http://www.cfw.tufts.edu/topic/2/157.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.64.134.109 (talk) 02:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikification

I'm going to take a stab at wikifying this article, but don't have the time or inclination to do it tonight. I'm just parking this reference: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/103/6/S1/1353 so I can remember where I found it when I get back to this project. Any and all assistance greatly appreciated. Patience. Cmichael 04:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dead Links

The links to articles from Mainichi News are dead and I can't seem to find anything on their current site, or on google. I'm removing them, as well as the sections that referenced them.

http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2005/04/20050402p2g00m0dm999000c.html http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/waiwai/archive/news/2002/07/20020726p2g00m0dm999000c.html Ziiv (talk) 13:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)