User talk:TodorBozhinov/Archive 3

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[edit] Tsargrad

I have already merged the content under the Tsargrad to Istanbul (Etymology) or Constantinople (Etymology), I want to add an redirect link to Istanbul (Etymology) from Tsargrad, are you o.k.--OttomanReference 03:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

You are right about small casing the etymology. I approach positively to "Names of the Istanbul". However I do not belive it solves my unhappines with the "Istanbul (ethymology)", as it contains the same problem of using one language. My solution was to create redirects from Constantinople (Etymology) and Tsargrad to the "Istanbul (etymology)" and make that page neutral to each other.--OttomanReference 21:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kyustendil

How did you conclude that the additional edits on the Kyustendil page were vandalism. In fact they were not. By origin, I am from Macedonia and we have our own name for the town which is of interest to our people. As such, it conforms to our spelling rules. In Macedonian we don't have Ю but instead we have Ќ followed by ЈУ to replicate Bulgarian/Russian КЮ. We have in turn a seperate system for transliteration and the first leter is transliterated as Ć. Meanwhile, in the old Bulgarian name, the ъ is usually transliterated using one of two vowels but always including a caron. I chose A (hence Ǎ) because this is how Bulgarian constitutional documents tend to transliterate: eg.Tǎrnovo, Bǎlgariya. Evlekis 6 June 2006

[edit] Your Adminship

I posted some questions for you (mostly for the other users, since I have already voted).  NikoSilver  (T) @ (C) 15:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kyustendil revisited

No problems Todor, I hope you'll forgive me if you thought my tone was meant to be unfriendly, the trouble is, we can't express ourselves when writing, the same as when speaking! I see your points and they are fair. Of course, I know that Kyustendil is outside the Pirin (Blagoevgrad) region, I am sure they mostly feel Bulgarian (to be fair, even in Pirinska the feeling is stronger towards Bulgaria than Macedonia) but that doesn't bother me. I'm not a Macedonian nationalist. Actually the reason that I made the extended entry was because of Kyustendil's proximity to the Deve Bair border, it's actually fewer kiloemetres than the Blagoevgrad-Delchevo route. You may find here and there that border towns are mentioned in neighbouring language variations too because of the close contact usually between the two towns - apart from that, I am quite happy to see Битоля and Скопие representing Bulgarian interests on the Macedonian pages. Either way, it is not that relevant as you say! So we'll keep things as they are! As for the vandalism, clearly some Serbian buffoon was having a joke. Best wishes. Evlekis 6 June 2006

[edit] Dragovishtitsa

Hello. Here it is...finally :o) Dragovishtitsa Take care PajaBG 14:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, a very small portion of the Dragovistica's watershed is in Maceodnia. The source of the Brankovacka reka, its tributary, is on the border of Serbia and Macedonia, and a small area (not more than few square kilometers) of its drainage area is within Macedonia. So I thought it should be noted. However, my map is detailed but old, and it is possible that after corrections of the border in the 1990's, the borderline leaves all of it within Serbia (which, if you look at the map, would be natural). But if you think it is not important, it can be omitted PajaBG 15:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POLL

No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:

Improvement of the <ref> function.

Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll!  NikoSilver  (T) @ (C) 16:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Bhadani has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!

--Bhadani 18:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship nomination

On this occasion, your nomination for adminship was unsuccessful. I hope that you will continue your useful contributions to Wikipedia, and may consider standing for adminship again in future. Remember, most of those who voted against you are just keen to see more of your contributions to the project namespace and fighting vandalism. Warofdreams talk 00:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nice map

Realy, a federation bwetween Bulgaria and Mongolia will be more real than the one you indoctrinated. Bulgarians and Macedonians are not one people, the map on your user page ofends Macedonia, so it ofends and your land as it tells unreal things--Vlatko 15:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It begs the question: who has been indoctrinated? Let's look at a few facts (i.e. ethnolinguistic maps): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]. This confirms Krste Misirkov's words: We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian. --Telex 13:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Another interesting question is how deep has your indoctrination sunk. --Telex 13:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Todor, can you look here and address the problem?   /FunkyFly.talk_   15:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah, bla, bla, bla. Todor your dictionary is realy expresive, I like it, politics and sex, "The human self-determination right" in Bulgaria. But I'm here and see that there are more than milion Romani and Turks, I have lots of relatives in Blagoevgrad province (all Macedonian, they stay quite cose no one is there to organise them, ironicly are represed and cant get up their head of problems, peacefull people). And your data shows something silly, The map on mine userpage is what I believe and the Macedonian people to, You can continue to lie your self trought internet "bubling", please come to macedonia and feel the diference. And honestly a federation between Macedonia and "RoB" never will be. Telex do you do somethin else in the free time? The maps are just part of "your" indoctrination. When did they comed out, after Greece and Bulgaria got indepence from Otomania. I can drow thousnads showing the oposite and aftre 100 years to be viewed like this ones.--Vlatko 17:52, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
And do not confuse free expresion with self-determination.--Vlatko 17:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Most of those maps are in the (scientific) German language, and came out before the Balkan Wars. This one which quite clearly includes present-day FYROM as Bulgarian-populated, was published in 1880. --Telex 16:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Bubling, lol. It's the second time you've used this word. So let me bubble something to you my fellow Vlatko, student in one of the largest tatar schools Bulgaria has to offer. Use a dictionary, it will raise your credibility level and people will take you more seriously. And drop that en-3.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
This one is from 1847! --Telex 16:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Also, why to the "Macedonians", who descend from the Kumans (from Kumanovo - that's where User:Pulvis angelus is from) and other Turko-Mongolic tribes, call the Bulgarians "Tatars"? According to Ethnologue, there are only 6,000 Tatars in Bulgaria [10]. --Telex 16:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
That's nothing compared to Khan Kuber, a relative of Asparukh settling with his people in the present day republic. Thats why, Republicans are as much tatars as the Bulgarians, and thats why the Bulgarians are descendants of Ancient Macedonians as much as the Republicans are.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I must say though, it's pretty rich coming from Kumanovo and writing this ;-) --Telex 16:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I bears some deep form of self-irony, or blatant misunderstanding of history.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder - why don't they try claiming Asparukh as a Macedonian Khan? --Telex 16:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
For the same reason they do not count the Russo-Turkish war as liberation war - it did not lead to the independent country Macedonian historians have always tried to find in their history.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
So, let's see what they've stolen: Tzar Samuil, Prince Marko, Alexander the Great, Skanderbeg (the the revision history of the article in question). Soon, they'll be claiming Suleiman the Magnificent! --Telex 16:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
They've sort of done it already, look at the template on the right.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


I see... So is he (a Turk) also part of Makedonskiat Narod? We are making progress ;-) --Telex 16:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, no comment, "just a play", Ladies and Gentelmen Beware of the "TeleFunkopedia" :-). The answer to your question: What is your relation to Greeks when you are an arvanite?.--Vlatko 21:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

And Todor please change the contatation from support to ("believes"), cose there is no macedonian supporting such a fulish thing..--Vlatko 21:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

That's right. You can't comment because: 1. You dont know enough English. 2. Human imagination has its limits, even when we are talking about the imagination of Macedonists refuting historical truths.   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Ahem... --Telex 19:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Also, I think the "Macedonian" Wikipedia is what people should really beware. They seem to have some really weird inclusion and exclusion criteria. --Telex 19:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm flattered, TeleFunkopedia would then be something that is well sourced, unlike DMOZ, which is basically as Macedonistic as they come. Vlatko, you may even apply for an editor, after you improve your English to at least en-2.   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
And still there is 95% "Greek Greece". And just knowing some Macedonian and the alphabet means that you can't write books still, to early at this level (I'm telling you this as a friend), the comments are satisfactory you know, bot not eligable. And just for you Funky I recognise that i do make mestakes throught writing, what more do you want me to do, a play with the userboxes, the comments you do are of the tipe when someone knows not what to say.--Vlatko 21:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd rather not fill Todor's talk with crap but I'll just say that I feel for you. It is tough to be alone in the cause, its tough to deal with the effects of overwhelming evidence against a lie you've been told since you were 7, so you got my respect for your heroism. A true soldier fights to the grave, so we expect great things from you.   /FunkyFly.talk_   19:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, be serious, now an "enciclopedist", after that a hacker, later psychologist, why not and a linguist... Fynky, Funky, Funky.....--Vlatko 22:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Be a little pragmatic. People can google your comments that you have made here in Wikipedia, and your employment prospects in the country might suffer. Especially those edits. Was there ever "Boris I of Macedonia", or were you just blatantly replacing Bulgarian with Macedonian? Or is that another one of your "just human" mistakes, accidently reverting to an anonymous user, like you uploaded at least 20 images marked as "self-made", which you in fact downloaded from various sites?   /FunkyFly.talk_   21:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I never made a direct insult to you for beeing Bulgarian, as I do not atack, I only defend my land which is unproperly beeing controversed, Does realy I or you are indoctrinated with something, none can tell, so why re you so "tvardoglav".--Vlatko 01:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Hehe, defend from what? From the truth? No wonder you keep inviting people to "come to Macedonia", its like being outside of the Republic might be detrimental to one's Macedonistic beliefs. By the way congratulations on enriching your vocabulary with "indoctrinated", you seem to like that word a lot recently. At least one good thing found in Wikipedia.   /FunkyFly.talk_   23:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Your comments are unrealistic by pointing relative things, make a point, maybe the problem here is you. I give up cose from one side you rapidly jump to the other, had someone already told you that no one can find the end with you [citation needed].--Vlatko 01:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Just when I was getting started you quit, come on! I dont expect that you repent for your mistakes, but dont make them in the future. This whole dialog developed as I tend to expose people which claim one thing and do another, or in other words lie.   /FunkyFly.talk_   23:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
About what, come on, say it, "you lied here and here". And the word "bubling" is for you, you say it so here "klukarki".--Vlatko 01:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
That image licence "self-made" thing, for which you might get banned, remember?   /FunkyFly.talk_   23:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
And I'm the one that is not advancing. I did that with no intention. Realy why are you so sure in the History book that is learned in Bulgaria, a human like me and you wrote it.--Vlatko 01:56, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
You'd better make sure it is not advancing by presenting proper licences. I dont expect history books to be written by anything but humans. Jee, I'd kill for an alien history book.   /FunkyFly.talk_   00:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Aha, relay Funky I started to respect you, you made the point here. But I have to go. Good night.--Vlatko 02:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sinan

I know that every mid-16th century Ottoman structure, such as Stari most, is attributed to Sinan, just like every mid-18th century Russian palace is said to be the work of Rastrelli. I believe we need some kind of disclaimer along the lines you proposed on my talk page. --Ghirla -трёп- 16:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pomaks

Hi, you once mentioned the Greek authorities trying to distance Greek Pomaks from the Bulgarians. It turns out you're right (in Greece we don't get to hear about things like that) - check what I've found out about the Pomaks at Minority groups in Greece (in the Muslim Slavs section). --Tēlex 17:16, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] for your attention

But here is one of my examples. The government in the republic of macedonia published many books claiming territories from every single neighbour. For Bulgaria we have, Historical truth: liberal public opinion in Bulgaria and in Pirin Macedonia on the Macedonian national question 1896-1956, edited by Pero Korobar and Orde Ivanovki, Skopje 1984. You will notice that the title considers Bulgaria as a separate territory from 'Pirin Macedonia' which is exacly what the editors try to prove in the book. Inside you will find articles like, 'The overwhelming majority in teh Pirisn region is Macedonian', by Gerogi Madolev (1948), or that that the fact that Bulgarian are in Pirin Macedonia is a proof that the Bulgarians want a 'Greater Bulgaria'. I am happy that you are not offended but I am worried that the terminology of an 'unliberated Macedonia' is so widespread. The Bulgarians or the Greeks or anyone else in Europe does not use such irridentist terminology. The Serbs did it and I am relieved to see that they are paying a heavy price. So I think we cannot simply accept the republic of macedonia and its propagandists to institutionalise through the back door ambiguity with the term Macedonia. Makedonija 14:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

You say that, "I agree the way Macedonians treat it politically may be offensive to us Bulgarians, but it's the treatment that is offensive, not the term". They are 'former Yugoslavs', they belong to a political culture that began with words and ended up with disaster. The Serbs and the Croats also used funny terms and ethnic maps and no one said anything... This [11] something I have in mind because these guys are invinting history with their breakfast and where did Bulgarians discover that a flag claimed by Greeks is their national symbol, from Goce Delcev or Sandanski? If it was the Romanians or Greeks or Turks calling it Pirin Macedonia it would not be too bad (even with 1925 in the background), but with these people it makes a difference and we have to say no. Of course we can always include the omo propaganda. Makedonija 11:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Danube templates

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[edit] CopyRights

If you dare to violate my article one more time not only that I am going to request to be locked but also raise legal sanctions against you and wikipedia! This is my personal article! And you are in violation of my CopyRights with interventions in my text! FINAL! No discussion what so ever after!

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[edit] Why macedonian as a native

You think you really know macedonian, why (hahahaha)?--Vlatko 17:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Because Macedonian language = Bulgarian language, just the same way as Moldovan language = Romanian language or Montenegrin language = Serbian language. --Tēlex 16:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
BUT a wise man said: "A language is a dialect with an army and a navy..." Keep this "I don't understand why you speak both languages" tune and a stronger army or navy may decide to demote your language to a mere dialect. You see, my friend Vlatko, personally I value your independence and sovereignity but I can understand how irrational claims (such as that the languages are different because they are indeed different - not because we say so) can sometimes cause irrational responses by irrational neighbors. I wouldn't bet that if e.g. Bulgarians (or Greeks) had as strong nationalistic sentiments as you do, you would continue much longer to be proud about your dialect having an army and a navy of its own, and hence being a language...:NikoSilver: 16:15, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure Vlatkoto might have thought of it, but just in case: according to some Republican estimates, the number of people in Bulgaria, descended from refugees from the region of Macedonia is about 3 to 4 million. And of course, as we all know, once a Slav enters Bulgaria, he loses his Slav privileges and becomes a Tataro-Mongolian.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
And again the inteligense won, congratulations Telex and Funk, You stuck again. Tell me is the greek language actualy dimotiki. What does it means as a such one? Do you know. And Macedonian and Bulgarian are not the same, ask me I know the best. Please do not reffer to Macedonian as a dialect of Bulgarian(questionable language).--Vlatko 18:16, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
The only questionable thing is your ability to express yourself in English.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
The modern Greek language is actually Standard Modern Greek (Κοινή Νεοελληνική) and is somewhat of a merge between Dhimotiki and Katharevusa (which are both Greek). The Modern Macedonian language on the other hand is actually a merge between two allegedly foreign elements: the Bulgarian language and the Serbian alphabet ;-) Back to NikoSilver, does FYROM really have an army and a navy? I thought they had neither ;-) --Tēlex 16:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think they have patrol boats in the Ohrid and Prespa lakes, if they count as Navy.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
They scrapped the decommissioned Bulgarian tanks that were once given to them as a present, that's for sure. As for the patrol boats, I think they're part of the coast (shore?) guard or the police. Todor→Bozhinov 16:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Listen you bouth, it is stupid for anyone to read your bunch of TeleFunkclasifications, it seems as you are the smartest, and the ultranationalism mantioned it is expresed in all your statements, make an argue between you. I can only feel sorow for you. I'm realy asking my self who of you is Greek or Bulgarian, this Balkan aliance happens again 100 year after. Can I google some source to convince me in the other, And the comment of Todor(kitkata) is here finaly--Vlatko 18:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Paranoia, Balkan alliance? Careful, you might lose it again, and this time could have more serious consequences.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Btw, TeleFunk reminds me of TeleFunken, they used to make nice cassette players in the 80s. I dont know if they still exist. Oh wow, they still do.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Funk you have no problem, you are born as a such one, we'll see who is going to lose. Todor your opinion is your right , I do not atack you, you can expres your self how much you want and how you want, I just want to disscus with you about the relevancy of your judjments. And yeah you bouth seem like a Radio (Erevan)--Vlatko 18:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Lose? Who's winning and who's losing? And I'll quote you: "This is not a game". Apparently you treat wikipedia as a game, despite your accusations.   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:46, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
No, 'Funk, it is you living in a game. I'll never do the things your way. You said that we might lose agin, you recognised something here, I'm glad you started to ask your self something other, Realy good--Vlatko 18:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Which game, can I play? Is it that one about creative history (re)writing? I hear the world champions at that game are the Macedonians, and that their first gaming club was the ASNOM lobby. --Tēlex 16:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Awww, lose it again. Well Vlatkoto, in this context "Lose it" means you "go berserk", not lose a game. But you should know that, after all you proudly list en-3, right? Or should I speak in simpler terms your en-3 can deal with?   /FunkyFly.talk_   16:57, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Vlatko - I really do think you should change your English rating. If I used babelboxes, I would rate my English en-3. See Wikipedia:Babel/Levels to see how how to pick levels. --Tēlex 17:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Where on the scale of english ability is this sentence: "You suck", and after all I'm playing games.--Vlatko 20:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
It depends, if it refers to sucking a lollypop, it could be en-1, however if it refers to your usage of English, it must be at least en-2. (that's a bit of a paradox in itself)   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:28, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Have you considered not using language boxes at all? After all, Funky and I don't use them. I only have one for a dialect not part of the English language. --Tēlex 18:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Listen Todor, do not dream to much, it will confuse you. None was renamed after WWII, there are 10000000000000 of stories told from our macedonian ancestorts about the Bulgarian war crimes in Macedonia in WWII period, all of them agains the Macedonian people, lots of them I have heard from mine grandparents, the father of my grandmother was in jail and brutally tortured by the Bulgarians, just for you national cause. Pleas consider what you have just said.--Vlatko 20:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, finally the reason for all hatred surfaces! Deal with it. You know English is important, it's BIG plus for Bulgarian outsourcing software companies. So if you want to find a decent job, you have to know good English. I mean good, not your en-3.   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Good you finaly have shown that you've started to be sceptic Funk, why are you then so antimacedonistic.--Vlatko 21:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Because I hold the belief that history should not be adjusted to suit the needs of a particular ethnic group, and should be left unchanged.   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, the word adjust is not the right one, if that's the case we all adjust the quotes somehow even without not recogniseing it (our mind functiones so), we all believe in something by the way, and we are learned in something... our conclusions come from there. Beeing sceptic is the most consious thing (Thats my POV), but some things are determined by natural aspect. You can still hold your belief, its your own right ...--Vlatko 22:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

You can change the future. You can't change the past. Be certain that if you continue pissing off virtually all neighbors with irrational nationalistic claims, at one point some irrational nationalistic neighboring government may respond in an irrationally nationalistic way. So try to hold beliefs that will help you live longer. It's like those little chihuahuas that keep grinning, barking and threatening every pit / bulldog in the neighborhood. Unless they have a caring boss around, they end up being dinner eventually... :NikoSilver: 22:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help on Bulgarian Jewry

I appreciate your offer of assistance when I expand the above article! (Keep it on your watchlist for updates.) As I noted, the Hebrew text is quite extensive, and there's also a lengthy entry in the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust.
The latter is a 1990 publication of Yad Vashem, in whose museum a recently installed expanded exhibition features a permanent display on the heroic stand of Bulgarians in the rescue of their Jewish population. This includes a video with historical footage. If you haven't seen the exhibition, take my word for it -- I viewed it for the first time in December 2005, and it was one of my strongest impressions of the entire visit (much of whose content was already familiar to me). This has motivated me to expand the material here, as I believe the Bulgaria and its people deserve to be widely known for this courageous and decisive act. Thanks for your support -- Deborahjay 01:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sarajevo

so how do we keep those images? there must be one of those licenses that allow you to keep the pictures, i mean compare the sarajevo article before and after i uploaded the images.. i mean COME ON its beautiful please help me find a way to keep them up my hometown finally looks pleasing to the eyes of the world

Bosna 101 20:02, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paisius

I am very glad you noticed it since you know far more than myself. Please change, add, delete as you think is best. It seem to me that Bulgarian history and the cultural importance of the Bulgarian factor is very underestimated and under-represented. Also, I think the copyright might be 1914 (if this is the case, it has elapsed) Politis 12:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silistrian badge

You can delete the picture, but you can`t delete the history. SILISTRA WAS BULGARARIAN SITY, IS BULGARIAN SITY AND FOREVER WILL BE BULGARIAN SITY!

Може да съм рязък, но когато си свързан със Силистра не ти се струва много редно да анонсират града с румънски пропаганден плакат.

И за справка на модераторите на българската версия за Силистра не им пречи големината на файла. Но щом обема е по-важен от съдържанието ... успех!

В такъв случай грешката е моя. Не съм искал да се заяждам, още повече да обиждам. Просто в Силистра върлува една прослойка милееща за румънското време и вероятно това ме е заблудило.

Иначе значката ми е личен подарък и снимката си е авторска. Мерси за информацията за лиценза.

[edit] Census

Hi, could you please go through this and tell me how many Greeks were recorded in Bulgaria in the latest census (2001). I don't understand it :p Thanks. --Tēlex 19:19, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Tēlex 20:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Overcategorization

What's ridiculous is letting people viewing an encyclopedia "decide" what nationality he is. This isn't an R.L. Stine novel. Sure, he called Serbia his "motherland" - I don't see how that proves he's Serbian. I'd agree with you that he is "Macedonian-Bulgaria" as evidenced by his surname and birthplace, but otherwise these categorizations are silly. You might as well put him in Category:Romanian writers just incase he spent some time visiting Romania. I'll agree with putting him in both Bulgarian and Macedonian categories - since there's eseentially no distinction between Bulgarians and Macedonians back then. Also, we need some major revamping of the List of Bulgarians list - too many article-less significants. I've already starting making stubs and adding external links. It would be good to have another hand. Antidote 21:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Izdaja

Zašto si Lastovo stavio na FAR dan prije...? Luka Jačov 16:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bulgarian exonyms

Hello and thank you for contributing to Bulgarian exonyms.

As to your question regarding "significantly different". That pertains mainly to towns which would have a slightly different spelling in one language due to the lack of certain letters in that particular language. Examples would be (Russian) Гёрлиц (transliterated "Gerlits") for Görlitz or "Geneve" for Genève. This is mainly to keep articles from being swamped with "exonyms" from Greek and Slavic languages with Cyrillic alphabet like "Лейпциг/Lejptsig", "Мюнхен/Myunkhen" etc. which are really not exonmys but rather transliterations. Travelbird 00:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lastovo

I have had a problem with user:Luka Jacov editing in the way he has recently. I basically made 90% of the edits required for that article to become featured. (which he indirectly takes credit for by mentioning that he has authored 1 featured article in his user box). Luka nominated it a number of times when it was clearly not ready. The article had a peer review both directly and indirectly during the FA process of which many things were agreed to i.e. the usage of a short overview or introduction, removal and incorporation of the trivia section into the text etc. Luka Jacov has unilaterally reverted many of our edits which have benefitted the article to his own versions. I am glad that I am in the majority in regards with my outlook on edits on this article and what is required. Thank you Todor Bozhinov for being interested enough to edit this article which overall benefits the description of the place of mine own ancestry. Also, the lastovo-karta map luka posted is a rip off from a comercial website of the Lastovo diving centre - "Ronilacki Raj". On that map you can even see the diving sites represented around the island which in my opinion is very unprofessional. I actually uploaded the pasadur.jpg file which is an official picture from the lastovo tourism office (I guess from the Croatian government). I wasnt sure of licensing rights so I put the wrong license information, so if you could help me a little with image licensing as i am not sure what is correct. Another thing worth mentioning is that it seems all Lastovo websites out there seem to be "borrowing" each others photos including official ones from the government. Uvouvo 03:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Oh and i forgot to mention, if you wanted any last minute edits to the article or help before it is placed on the main page then please let me know. I would be more than happy throwing in some effort Uvouvo 03:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I ve got the permissions and they are mailed to permissions@wikimedia.org. So what is that you dont understand? Luka Jačov 11:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

So why do you ask me about Pasadur and Uvouvo? I returned Pasadur cause noone removed GDFL tag. Luka Jačov 11:08, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What is wrong with you man? I cant just copy-paste permission mail without someone questioning its authenticty thats why permissions@wikimedia.org exists so wait till Raul gives us a news. OK!? Luka Jačov 16:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

How the hell should I know it was copyvio when it said GDFL? Luka Jačov 11:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What is ASAP? Luka Jačov 11:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

How can you put permission? Raul told me to mail it permissions@wikimedia.org and that would be enough. Do you suffer from some kind of paranoia or you are smoking to much pot? Luka Jačov 11:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Cos it was mailed to permissions@wikimedia.org. If they know thats enough. Luka Jačov 11:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

What was love was your report to PUI when you knew that its just houres when will get confiramtion. I just dont get it... Luka Jačov 17:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Why are you so obssesed with it? This is serious man this shows traces of neurosis you should really seek professional help. You put the image on black list when we are in process of waiting Raul to confirm it. Luka Jačov 21:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

You're aware of the rule. You've been reported to WP:AN/3RR for reverting six times on Image:Kuzma.jpg. Luka Jačov 22:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)


I blocked you and Luka Jačov 12 hours each for WP:3RR on Image:Kuzma.jpg. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 23:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Tko drugom jamu kopa sam u nju upada. Luka Jačov 15:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ok

I agree abiut the template. But can you support me in the battle about the language, see this page article 7, as you understand macedonian you can clearly see that the albanian is not official. Please answer me on my use page--Vlatko 22:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i apretaite your desision. The albanian and all other are defined only as municipality languages. Thanx--Vlatko 00:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Macedonism

You kmow, I find the double standards of Macedonism rather amusing. They claim that if someone called themselves "Bulgarian", that is merely due to the fact that it meant Christian or Slav and that that person was not an ethnic Bulgarian. If on the other hand, someone claims he is a "Macedonian", then that is immediately interpreted as meaning an ethnic Macedonian, while ignoring the fact that Macedonian has been used as a regional designation for centuries. Greek and Bulgarians use it, Albanians use it (often in a Kosovar Albanian vs Macedonian Albanian context), and even Vlachs use it. --Tēlex 10:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW do you think that Gora and Prohor Pchinski and Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo should be redirected to United Macedonia (as they're never used in a non-nostalgic irredentist context) and Pirin Macedonia should redirect to Blagoevgrad Province. As far as I can see, they are just copypastes of material from the respective articles. --Tēlex 13:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dukes

I do not know exactly were Salan and Glad vassals or simply regional governors. They (together with Gelu and Menumorut) were certainly more powerful than some other local rulers of the Bulgarian Empire. That is all I can tell you. Regarding Ahtum, he was not subordinated to the Bulgarian Empire, like for example Sermon. Ahtum was Bulgarian by origin, but he was kind of rebel on the territory ruled by the Kingdom of Hungary and he in fact was not subordinated to anybody. He was ally of Bulgarians, of course. Sermon was at first subordinated to Bulgarian Empire, but after Bulgarian Empire was conquered by Byzantines, Sermon, was too not subordinated to anybody. Regarding maps, I will correct them in the next few days (In fact, I will draw new ones with better quality anyway). PANONIAN (talk) 14:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I just draw new maps. See them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Salan_glad01.png and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ahtum_sermon01.png However, I left Ahtum as independent ruler, as he is also shown on this map of Euratlas: http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1000.htm (On that map, Srem, Bosnia, Raška, Duklja, etc are all shown as part of Bulgarian Empire, but Voivodship of Ahtum is shown separatelly, as well as Duchy of Gyula). I agree that Ahtum's role can be explained by the situation in Bulgaria in the early 11th, but still we should rather define him as ally instead of vassal of Bulgarian Empire. Also, Salan was descendant of Bulgarian ruler which conquered land between Danube and Tisa, thus he rather gained land that he ruled by heritage instead that he was appointed by the tsar. Regarding article on Serbian Wikipedia, you should know that we lived in the same state with Macedonians for long time and that Serbian historical books are no different than Macedonian when they speak about Samuil. I do not see big problem about this, and if you ask me, we can say that Samuil was both, Bulgarian and Macedonian tsar, as well as former Kievan Rus is part of history of all: Russia, Ukraine and Belarus. PANONIAN (talk) 17:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I changed maps, there are now names of the rivers and some main cities from that time period as well. I also changed the territory ruled by Glad, because it is not certain whether he ruled territory south of the Danube. Regarding Serbian Wikipedia, I recently much more work on English one, and to be frank, I do not have enough free time to work on both. Maybe you can change there what is wrong by yourself, I hope that you understand serbian well enough to change there what you consider wrong. PANONIAN (talk) 00:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I would say that there is vandalism in Macedonia (region) by 62.162.188.110 and user: Andrej Machkovski (sock puppets?). Politis 15:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Виж какъв нагляр намерих

Ето този пич Valeriy_Nenov, тъй като има докторска титла в UCLA, е решил че може да удостои списъка на известните българи със своята скромна личност. Какво да го правим? М/у другото, големи дискусии тука... Поздрави, Barbov 21:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] and another Poll...

Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 22:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Зидан

Здрасти Тодоре! Виж моля ти се какво са направили статията на Зидан. Има огромна секция за финала на световното и със снимка дори. Ако имаш желание и ти се занимава напиши им на беседата, че тази секция трябва да се намали драстично или да се премести към статиите за самото световно (това най-вече). Освен това от морална гледна точка такъв футболист не заслужава статия, която изтъква само грешките му. Ако започнем така, то статиите на Руни, Фиго и на който и да е футболист ще заприличат на сбирщина от безумните фалове, които са извършвали. Аз бих направил това, но съм ужасно скаран с английския и нямам абсолютно никакво време. Ако ти се занимава де. Дано не съм нахален. Поздрави,--Givern 21:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Добре нека остане така. Не съм му някакъв голям фен на Зидан, но снимката на главичката и линковете към клипчетата много ме дразнят. Сега е поизчистено, но точно след мача беше помия. Поздрави,--Givern 11:47, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Macedonia (terminology)

Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bulgaria

Thank-you for you advice that you gave me on creating articles. As you can probably tell, I am new at creating articles for wikipedia, and need all the help I can get. The middle ages have always excited me, but I felt as if western European Middle Ages were being overrepresented, and decided that Eastern Europe, especially the Balkans, needed more work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crispus (talk • contribs)

[edit] Terminology

Thanks for the correction...:). i am so ashamed... as a greek aromanian myself! i should had read more carefully. --Hectorian 20:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yat

Why does www.macedoniainfo.com use that letter so much. How is it pronounced? --Tēlex 13:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, so they are using it in a nostalgic way. Kind of like the polytonic script in Greek, but recently revised as it was too time consuming to write (compare texts - it took twice a long to write something). Some people (especially the older ones) though still prefer the older script and the newspaper "Estia" still uses it. Also, so if I gather correctly, because of the yat border, in Serres, the dialect of Slavic language (Greece) is Bulgarian, whereas in Florina it is Macedonian? --Tēlex 13:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your article, Armenians in Bulgaria, was selected for DYK!

Updated DYK query On July 13, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Armenians in Bulgaria, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 02:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)