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Welcome Toddst1!

Hello Toddst1 and Welcome to Wikipedia!!!.

Thank you for showing interest in editing the free encyclopedia, and your contributions. If you would like some help getting started, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking Image:Signature icon.png or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Happy editing! Toddst1 20:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Please see how to get started for more information on editing wikipeida :)

Native American tribes in film

Native American tribes are very rarely featured in U.S. films, despite the fact that they have lived in North America for more than 11 thousand years. Thus, when documentaries or Hollywood films focus on a tribe, we generally include this in the individual tribe's article. Badagnani 20:07, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

St Barnabas Church

Hi, Thanks for allowing me to add pics to your excellent articles. I have enjoyed your contributions and appreciate the fact that I can add to them in a small way. It would be my pleasure to take some photos of St Barnabas Church. Right now I am traveling but will be back in Washington in a few days and so will head out there sometime in the next week. Best regards, John Quarterczar 16:29, 29 September 2007

Hi, I've added pics to the three articles you told me about. For St. Barnabas, I added a gallery becuase I had three pics I thought were interesting. Its alright with me if you want to move them or reposition them. I'm only glad I could help out. BTW Maybe you could help me with an article for Oden Bowie. I've tried four times to put together a memorial page to him at findagrave.com but the powers that be on that site kep telling me it isn't good enough (i.e. not long enough, not detailed enough, etc.) -- John Quarterczar 11:16, 2 October 2007

{{unreferenced}}

{{Unreferenced}} should be used only on articles that have no sources (references or external links). The {{Refimprove}} template is appropriate for articles with some sources but not enough. {{Unreferencedsect}} , {{Primarysources}}, or {{Citations}} may also work well for your purposes. Thanks--BirgitteSB 15:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, if you know enough to see that something is unreferenced, it would be nice if you provided some of the references yourself.Tedickey 23:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. I have spent enough time referencing articles to know which topics I can find a references on and which ones I cannot. I imagine everyone has similar issues, unless they happen to be sitting in a university library. At least this editor leaves messages for the creators [1]. That is better than most. If anyone means to add references, they should jump into the backlog at Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles rather than search through new pages. But if someone means to do some New Page Patrolling, they should feel good about adding the appropriate tags. You have to focus on the task you mean to do. I discovered an editor with a history of copyright violations in my referencing task, but I did not give up on my referencing and go through the editor's contribs with a fine tooth comb. Instead I left him a note asking him to clean up his mistakes from his early days and continued on. Hopefully when I check back in on him he will have done so. One person can't fix everything they come across.--BirgitteSB 00:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Oden Bowie

That's right, I was referring to governor Oden Bowie.  :) Here is a link to the page I created:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=bowie&GSfn=oden&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=20993283&

I hope it is OK to be talking about this page on wikipedia. Let me know if not. Thanks!

Thanks

Thanks for the help, I'm new to this and that is a great feature to use. Hopefully I can create some good pages and edits. Thecinderellastory 15:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


Michigan revert

Hello! I noticed this revert which you made to Michigan. While it was a good revert (the same information appears in the article lead, and adding trivia is generally bad), it was not nonsense. Michiganders actually do use their hands for to indicate locations in both peninsulas. Just thought I'd let you know! :) -- dcclark (talk) 00:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Blocking

I've reverted this edit - since the user in question is not blocked (although if he continues uploading inappropriate pages, I agree he will be), and you have no power to block him, please don't issue misleading warnings. — iridescent (talk to me!) 23:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - Wasn't clear about that - I checked the template doc page and it didn't say you had to be an administrator, although I thought I read that somewhere. Toddstreat1 23:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Gerbschmidt

Why do you think the article is a hoax? The article itself mentions that he may not be real so where is the hoax in it?--E tac 23:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone pretending to be a person (but maybe not) sounds like a hoax to me. I guess it's in the context. From Yahoo reference:
hoax   
1 An act intended to deceive or trick. 
2 Something that has been established or accepted by fraudulent means.
Call it what you want. It doesn't seem encyclopedic to me. I have no skin in the game. 8-) I've updated the AFD page as well Toddstreat1 00:19, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I think it's an article about a potential hoax, with local notability, which apparently is ok for WP. Toddstreat1 01:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl Gerbschmidt

Hi Todd. Saw your AfD nomination here. A hoax would be an article that is not based in reality; The article asserts that its subject may be fictional (and based on what I see on Google, probably is). Therefore, it's a little like a double-negative. Want to see some good old fashioned hoaxery? Anyway... Google/Yahoo are always good friends in sniffing out hoaxes. Happy editing. Into The Fray T/C 23:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

OK OK, nobody likes the word hoax. See above. 8-) Toddstreat1 00:20, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Smile

Domthedude001 has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Nice work with the CSDs! -Domthedude001 02:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks 8-)Toddstreat1 16:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

George Lehmann

I rewrote the article, with seven refs. Does this pass muster now? Zagalejo^^^ 04:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The Sound Lounge

A nationally syndicated radio show in a country of 31 million people is notable by definition. Bearcat 07:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe as an administrator, you could provide sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications. Alone, primary sources and sources affiliated with the subject of this article are insufficient for an accurate encyclopedia article. Right now, it's just your OR, written into wikipedia. Toddstreat1 07:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
NOR refers to the promulgation of theories that aren't suitably referenced; it does not apply to a simple summation of neutral facts about a topic, such as what radio stations a show airs on. Bearcat 08:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

L.A.S.A.

I've removed your {{db-repost}} tag from this article. G4 covers material that has been deleted as a result of consensus at XfD and specifically does not cover reposted speedy-deleted material. — iridescent 17:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for pointing that out. What's the best way to handle a recreation of a speedily deleted article? This one was NN. Toddstreat1 17:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
If it's the same article, it will generally be deletable for the same reason as before (you can see the previous reason in the deletion log), so in this case it would potentially be {{db-group}}. In my experience, it's generally good practice to give it a while before you tag it, as quite often reposting means someone's continuing to work on it — iridescent 17:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Grand Lodge of New York copy vio

I think you are correct that the text was originally just copied from the Grand Lodge's website, ... but it has been substantially edited since it was first posted... I can do more re-writing if needed, to make it even more different (and thus no longer a copy vio.) Please remove the tag. Blueboar 17:32, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know that I'm allowed to do that. The template says:
Do not edit this page until an administrator has resolved this issue.
  • To write a new article without infringing material, follow this link to a temporary subpage
I think you're supposed to provide the rewrite that way. If I'm wrong, please point me to the page that says I can remove a {{copyvio}} template if I was the one who added it.

Toddstreat1 17:41, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the tag - I see no resemblance between the two other than them being on the same subject. (Incidentally, be aware that under certain circumstances even a word-for-word reposting doesn't qualify as a copyvio.) — iridescent 17:43, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm confused. I see two paragraphs that are verbatim. Are we looking at the same page? Toddstreat1 17:50, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I see the first five sentences as virtually identical; however, since these are "it was founded in... by..." pure factual information, I can't see any way they could be substantially rewritten. The remainder of the section in question doesn't seem to bear any resemblance at all to the alleged copyvio. — iridescent 17:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I think we're on the same page now (pun intended). Thanks. Toddstreat1 17:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
In any case, I will continue to work on the page to make it even less of a copy. Thanks for being patient. Blueboar 18:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Todd McEwen

Why deleted?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mousehead (talk • contribs) 22:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:BLP with unsourced facts about his personal life and poorly sourced overall. Glad to help you work it up if you want. It looks like you got Lucy Ellmann into shape. Its probably worth starting with Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Citation_templates. Another good idea would be to develop your articles in a user subpage of your own and when it's in good shape, copy it in to the main space. Toddstreat1 22:55, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Poorly sourced isn't a reason for tagging something for speedy deletion, unless it's negative in tone, which this certainly isn't. You should use AfD or PROD if you think an article is too poorly sourced or fails WP:BIO. WP:CSD#A7 is for articles which don't offer any hint of notability whatsoever, like "John Doe is a student at Smalltown High School. He likes The Simpsons, and would like to be an astronaut one day". Please don't use it for published authors who write for notable magazines - the article as it stood clearly asserted notability. Best, Iain99Balderdash and piffle 23:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

RE: Not English Content on the Phitsanulok page

Please bear with me. I'm trying to put all of the data up for the Thai tambons and then batch translate them to English. There are several hundred of these tambon sites I'm doing at once. It's much easier to do it like that than to translate one by one. An example of one that's already in English because I did it that way (before I realized the project would take for ever if done one-by-one) is Nakhon Pa Mak. They will be in English, and they will have much more content. An example of one of my near-complete geo-cites is Phitsanulok Province. I'm trying to get the whole province up as quickly as possible. If there's a better way to mass-start several hundred sites on a template for a wiki-project, my ears are open. Thanks.Kevin Borland, Esq. 18:41, 19 October 2007 (UTC) By the way, in case you wanted to know the names of the villages in that tambon, I went ahead and transcribed that particular page for you. (I didn't do full translation yet, or add detailed content; I'll put in etymologies and stuff like that later).Kevin Borland, Esq. 18:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Franksbnetwork (this talk relocated from elsewhere in the page by Toddstreat1)

sorry im a newbie Thanks for the help --Franksbnetwork 13:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Thankyou also for helping me, im also new and it was good to know what you can and can't do.
--Franksbnetwork 13:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the quick reconsideration on Daphne, appreciated.--Alf melmac 14:36, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher application

Dear Toddstreat1,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

SQL(Query Me!) 07:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been checking it out. It's slower than Twinkle, but in some ways much nicer. Still evaluating. Cheers! Toddstreat1 00:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!

Hi Toddstreat1,

Thanks a lot for the helping hand in keeping that Acmar Group nonsense in check. I may have Twinkle as my sidearm, but nothing beats some good ol' fashioned backup =)

Just wish I'd thought to report them for username violation before it escalated.... --jonny-mt(t)(c) 14:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Tell me how it should be improved

Hi! I recently created a page for Paul Adam (English novelist), I did it by researching the info that's available on the Internet, as well as reading several book covers that include a mini-bio. I'm not sure how this info should be worded.

Can you tell me how to improve it, so that the signs you placed at the top of the page can be removed?

Thanks.

Margamanterola 16:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice job. I replied on User talk:Margamanterola. Thanks! Toddstreat1 16:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Joie Davidow

Hey! I removed your PROD of Joie Davidow because I believe I was able to address your concerns. So I just want to make sure you agree that the concerns have been addressed. Cheers! --Mark (Mschel) 19:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice work!! Toddstreat1 19:47, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The Talented Tenth, Inc.

I am the administrator for http://www.shsu.edu/~org_tt. I am trying to add the page to wikipedia but am running into errors. what do i do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Datboyjeff (talk • contribs) 00:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Check out Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission#For_text. It has all the info you need. Be sure you understand the rights to the text that you will be giving up. Then, you'll be granted an ORTS ticket and can post the material verbatim. Thanks for asking!! Toddstreat1 00:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?

I am confused as to why this was vandalism I was in the process of writing a page and only the first paragraph was posted as I meant to preview what I had so father but published it by accident long before the article was finished. It was then put up for speedy deletion so i contested the by inserting ((hang on)). I went to write my explanation and when I came back my ((hangon)) messege was gone so i reposted it and you accused my of vandalism, which I don't understand as I am the author of the page and was only trying to contest its deletion.

Thanks, Please Respond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nheeter (talk • contribs) 01:44, 25 October 2007
The preceeding question was moved here by User:Toddstreat1 because it was left on my User Page.

Creating an article with nothing but {{hangon}} is clearly vandalism, and bait for speedy deletion. Addding a {{hangon}} template to an empty article tagged with a speedy deletion template is also vandalism.
BTW, please don't create user pages for other folks like you did to mine - that's what talk pages are for. Toddstreat1 04:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Article Deleted: eClerx

Hi Todd, I am the author of the eClerx article. By the time I could put up the hangon tag, the page was (very speedily indeed :) deleted. I am trying to inititate dialog with the two users who put the page up for deletion. Meanwhile, I will try to create the page all over again. Please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eclerx and let me know if there are still any reasons why I should not put this article on Wikipedia. Nshuks7 08:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey there. If I remember correctly, I don't think there was anything in the article other than "eClerx is a company that... " without citing any WP:Reliable Sources. Unless you assert that there is something WP:Notable, vandal patrollers like me will probably tag articles describing a company for deletion. There are a lot of WP:Spam articles that get created every day.

If the issue is not having time to complete the article, here's what I suggest to everyone who is working on a new article: Create new articles in a personal subpage rather than the mainspace. This way you can save, preview, edit and pretty much do whatever you want to get the article in shape. Then when it's ready, open the article in the mainspace and copy/paste it in from your personal subpage. See Wikipedia:User_page#How_do_I_create_a_user_subpage.3F. Then, if anything happens, like your article gets deleted, you'll have a copy in your subpage to start improving it from.

I spent a fair amount of time doing vandal patrol yesterday and tagged over a hundred articles so I apologize if I didn't remember all the details. Hope this helps. Toddstreat1 11:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Todd. I have inserted some sources now and tried to keep it as factual as possible. I would appreciate it if instead of deleting it, you could help me bring the article to an acceptable form. I will continue developing content, citing sources and so on. Cheers.Nshuks7 12:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Good start. Unfortunately, the one reference isn't considered reliable as eClerx was the source for the finextra article. If you're actively editing the article and adding sources, consider placing the {{inuse}} tag in the article until you get some secondary sources in there. Happy editing Toddstreat1 12:33, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestions once again. I have added two references and corrected some language. Let me know if there are further changes required before the article can be UNmarked for deletion. It's kind of uncomfortable having a judgement like that hanging mid-air while you edit :-) Nshuks7 12:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Removing Needs Citation Tag

Toddstrea1, I have cleaned and added all the references to my Group_development article. I also removed the tags you had put on it. Is that ok? Can you take a look? Thanks! Jsarmi 22:09, 25 October 2007 (UTC) P.S. Btw, how can I request somebody to review the content and give feedback or does that just happen organically as people get interested in the content?

That looks much improved! Nice job. Regarding the second question, that pretty much just happens. The article will evolve on its own from here. Good luck and happy editing! Toddstreat1 23:00, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Your user page

Can I suggest that if you're not going to have a user page, you set it up to redirect to your talk page (just create a page with #REDIRECT [[User talk:Toddstreat1]] as the only text). At the moment, we've had to delete it five times so far due to people mistakenly leaving messages on it. — iridescent 23:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Good point. Several of them weren't accidental, rather I blanked it and db'ed it after vandalization. Thanks. Toddstreat1 00:10, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse

Oda Mari told me he made a mistake by calling my edits vandalism Kevin j 19:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC).

agreed and reverted Toddstreat1 19:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Why the tag?

Why, dear Todd, did you tag my recently created article on Sensory Sweep for speedy deletion?Umzingeli 19:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:Sensory Sweep Studios. I've changed the {{db-corp}}/{{hangon}} to {{Notability}}{{singlesource}}{{primarysources}}. Toddstreat1 19:59, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Better?Umzingeli 20:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a few more sources from online gaming review sites, so hopefully everything is sitting pretty now.  :)Umzingeli 20:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


What the??

I created the Bianyifang article and haven't even gotten a chance to put the contents in. And you are flagging it for deletion. Benjwong 21:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Being an old restaurant doesn't make a company notable. It was tagged for deletion because it didn't appear notable.
If the issue is not having time to complete the article, here's what I suggest to everyone who is working on a new article: Create new articles in a personal subpage rather than the mainspace. This way you can save, preview, edit and pretty much do whatever you want to get the article in shape. Then when it's ready, open the article in the mainspace and copy/paste it in from your personal subpage. See Wikipedia:User_page#How_do_I_create_a_user_subpage.3F. Otherwise, if it's in mainspace, it will come under scrutiny and modification of others, potentially, deletion. Hope this helps. Toddst1 21:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thomas-Mary Delest

I don't know if you can read French, but this article was about a child who was born and died today. You were of course correct to tag it for speedy deletion, and I have deleted it, but I must say that this one of the hardest experiences I have had on Wikipedia. Dsmdgold 23:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand any French (some Spanish, German and Italian), and I really appreciate your note. I just left a note from the author as well. Toddst1 16:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

Hi Toddstreat1, this page Garden_Networks was marked as speedy deletion. This was because i was still editing the page. Thanks for the tip above. I wasn't aware of this trick when I first created the page. Due to lack of experience, I copied and pasted and that override your speedy deletion tab. But still put on the hangon tag at the top of page to acknolwdge the speed deletion tag. I hope I didn't cause too much problems by overriding the original tag. I'd like to improve the page to meet the standard. Now my question is, if it's an issue (overriding the speedy deletion tag and not meeting some requirements) what am I supposed to do to fix them? Is it OK for me to remove the hangon tag?

I took care of it. Cheers. Toddst1 16:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Unfairipedia

I think it was unfair that you are going to kick me out of here if I "vandalize" this site. I don't get how adding a tag I was allowed to add and TOLD I COULD TO A CERTAIN PAGE is vandalism.

Landhermie 02:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Answered on User talk:Landhermie to be sure he/she'd see it. Toddst1 16:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Stage Gate Process

Hi Toddst1

I enlist your help in making Stage Gate Process so it adheres to your guidelines and policies. This is a process used in over 80% of companies in new product development. It is not blatant adverting...it talks about the process not the company.

````Sunil —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunil Bechar (talk • contribs) 18:02, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe you have posted that article a couple of times, violating copyright and posting promotional material which is not good. Please stop doing both of those behaviors. I would start with writing original text and citing WP:Reliable Sources. Better yet, take Ronz's comments on your talk page to heart and avoid posting in areas where you have a Wikipedia:Conflict of Interest or do so with extreme care. Good luck. Toddst1 19:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Joseph Joyner

I have a question about why the article is up for deletion. I found out as many facts as I could about Joseph Joyner to make the Wikipedia article thorough. I understand that there is many outside references, but that was to show validity to the site. Not only does Joseph star in one movie, but he also competes in Poker tournaments and is currently in medical school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvferr (talk • contribs) 02:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I don't think he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notable people. Rather than let me be the judge, I asked my peers at wikipedia to weigh in. Feel free to fix the article and/or persuade the community on the issue through the article's "Articles for Deletion" page. I suggest you voice your opinion there either way. Good luck and whatever you do, don't take this personally. Toddst1 02:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

hey we are college students doing a research project, and we everything that we are typing is true. You can delete this after we have presented this at 11 am tomorrow, for now just let it go. We are not anti-Disney, I love the Lion King. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Disneykids (talk • contribs) 03:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Patuxent River

"removed incorrect stmt" appears to apply to "British launched their attack on Washington, D.C., from their boats along the Patuxent at Benedict 22 miles (35 km) from the Chesapeake, Nottingham". What's the correct statement to add in its place? Tedickey 10:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Ted, Yes, unfortunately. The source I was looking at stated
"Within several days of the flotilla's destruction, Washington, D.C. was in ruins. When the British withdrew from the Patuxent, the flotilla remains became the target of significant scavenging".
The author didn't mention the actual landing. On the previous page he mentioned that the Americans were concerned about the possibility of it. Since you pointed this out, I did some further checking, and that seems to be a pretty big omission from the account of the skirmish, and that the fact was indeed true. I've restored the statement and added a citation. Thanks for pointing this out. Toddst1 17:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

HCA: Hermit Crab Association

The HCA: Hermit Crab Association was founded in March 2001 as a place for owners of land hermit crabs to get together and exchange information, and ultimately raise the awareness of the needs of land hermit crabs in captivity. On November 21, 2006 the name HCA: Hermit Crab Association was registered as a trademark (tm serial no. 78783774)

Recently a member of the HCA attempted to create a Wikipedia article about our organization, to detail its history, but Toddst1 told our member that the entry was considered vandalism (!!!) and the article was marked for speedy deletion.

We are hoping this was not done maliciously. The HCA: Hermit Crab Association has had to endure unfortunate attacks by disgruntled members in the past. This problem has died down a bit but we suspect there may still be some animosity on their part.

Thank you for your time.

Crab Diva 18:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at User_talk:Landhermie and Special:Contributions/Landhermie. Landhermie is a serial vandal with numerous warnings. He She created a new (empty if I remember correctly) article with the {{hangon}} tag upon creation which is vandalism. I have addressed this on His/her talk page. Any questions?
Good luck with your crabs. Toddst1 18:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Not that it matters but Landhermie is actually a teenage girl. She's been a member at our site for going on three years now, so we know her well. She generally leaps before she looks, so to speak, but is harmless.

One thing I am concerned about. If the HCA: Hermit Crab Association were to get its members together to write an article detailing our founding, our mission and history, our annual conventions and unique form of government, would that article be considered advertising? I've looked at the 5 Pillars and the other rules about self promotion but there are gray areas that I am not clear on. Also what could we do to prevent our former disgruntled members from engaging us in an edit war? We really don't want to cram our trademark down their throats and get nasty with them. Thank you again. Crab Diva 19:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out my pronoun bias. I've fixed it above. (best of intentions).
I would ensure that your article has sufficient citations from WP:Reliable Sources when it is posted in the Mainspace. Toddst1 19:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Disney Subliminal Messages

I believe you are unfairly removing content from this page. Snopes may be a rumor page, but their coverage on Disney is documented. Besides, if you would leave the content alone long enough, others would be able to add the citations that are lacking. There are credible sources out there that do state this information. Please stop removing content. This page is fairly new and deserves a chance to be developed. Stop tagging my edits as vandalism. I believe yours are doing far more damage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nilast (talk • contribs) 21:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I've added the {{POV-check}} tag back to the article. It was very biased against the company when written and I have no affiliation or particular affinity for Disney.
Regarding vandalism, reverting others' edits without explanation fits the bill. I've asked for comments on the talk page. Please use it. Toddst1 21:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I disagree, Sometimes we need to be tolerant that not everyone is as correct as yourself. Somnabot 23:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
That's why I've placed a {{POV-check}} tag on the page - so that it's flagged for others to notice and so others will get involved. Please do. Toddst1 15:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ho Baron

I have responded to your accusation, and would like to know what you have to add. Thanks, Somnabot 23:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I am the author of the page - I just asked Somnabot to capitalize the "B" in Baron in the title (could not figure out the rename function), and he saw the copyright violation that was posted. Actually, the information on the TSOS site was written by Ho and I, not by the TSOS. I have responded in more detail on the Talk Ho Baron page. Sorry for the bother. Hobaron 03:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It's not big deal folks. Hobaron, you're a new guy - we're used to helping newbies through issues like this. Here's what you need to do:
Check out Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission#For_text. It has all the info you need. Be sure you understand the rights to the text that you will be giving up. Then, you'll be granted an ORTS ticket and can post the material verbatim. We do this all the time.
It's more of an issue when experienced editors knowingly violate copyrights - even their own. There's no two ways on that. Toddst1 15:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
What I feel is more of an issue, not only in this example, but also on a macro level, are the actions that some editors with the best intentions tend to take blind to understanding or reason. This isn't some kind of meandering personal attack. I understand that you felt there was a copy violation, however, you never did anything other than point your finger in a generally offensive manner. I really hope you didn't scare this new Wikipedian away; they have a plethora of time and talent that they are willing to share with this community. Come on, this is Wikipedia. Always be polite. Always assume good faith, and above all, always be welcoming. Oh, and no personal attacks, man. Somnabot 16:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I invite everyone to see what Somnabot thinks is a personal attack is: Take a look at what I wrote here. Toddst1 16:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Todd. I simply rewrote the thing this afternoon. Think I successfully added the image copyright tag, too. Still learning.Hobaron 18:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply on Angel Moxie

Hi there. I added {{hangon}} to Angel Moxie after discovering that there was an extensive edit history for a previous version of that article, which did not at any time include a CSD tag. It appears that an admin deleted that article without review back in January. I haven't had a chance to investigate other articles that User:Frank Lofaro Jr. has been re-creating yet, though I did find one with no delete history. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. That makes sense. Cheers. Toddst1 18:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
On further review, Altermeta also has the same problem, though its content was far more lacking. But it appears that someone just went and deleted the articles per A7 without there being a CSD review, PROD or AfD. These articles should be recreated and tagged appropriately. I'll restore them so they can be handled properly. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
That makes sense. The current recreations are a bit ... anemic.8-) I've struck my comments on User talk:Frank Lofaro Jr. accordingly. Cheers. Toddst1 18:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)