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If we could get a link to where it was stated Shredder wouldn't be in it that would be great - not saying it's false, it will just be good to have.

The problem with that, is that it was not mentioned in an online interview or something of that matter, but in the letters page of the TMNT comic book (I forget which issue, but it's a very recent one). The S 03:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh okay. Thanks for the heads up. Tigermave 03:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

actually its been confirmed no Shredder and karai only a small role, my source? the technodrome forums posted by Murphy and Kevin themselves. 72.161.18.90

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[edit] Soundtrack?

Can anybody provide a reputable link that can prove the info about the soundtrack? I've tried searching for it but I can't find it anywhere. ONEder Boy 04:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

As of now there has not been release of a soundtrack as of yet. As the movie is still in production and won't be released until spring of next year. If there is going to be a soundtrack, we won't know until winter of 2006 or spring of 2007. Since the movie is being produced through Warner Bros., chances are the soundtrack will be released through them. [Edit by Halfshell]

[edit] This film's rating

This film is gonna be rated PG? That's stupid, all the modern day super hero films are rated PG-13. Batmain Begins, Spiderman, The Fantastic Four, the X-Men ect. The only reason the original TMNT films were rated PG was because in the costumes the actors that play the Turtles don't have alot of mobility, so the fighting sequences, while still awesome, aren't extremely intense. But with CGI characters this movie can totally kick ass, easily making it have a PG-13 rating. I will be fairly disappointed if it isn't intense enough to earn a PG-13 rating.

Ah, you make a point there.
WRONG! Family-related CGI films do not get PG-13 ratings! It's too late because it has a PG rating.
No, this film isn't going to be released until next year. The rating could still change.
The news calls it "PG-rated", but if the rating could still change and I don't want this film to be rated PG-13, maybe it could be rated G instead because it's now animated.
To be rated as G would make this film horrible. It would need at least PG or above to keep the film from sucking.
I heard TMNT II was heavily censored for violence, which is why they barely used their weapons. Sad, eh?
This film has now been rated PG.

[edit] "IV"?

The article says the movie's tentative title is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV. As much as I'd love for the francise to continue the numeration after the previous three movies, I have not yet heard the movie been referred to with "IV". Anyone have a source for the "IV"? --Brandon Dilbeck 00:12, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


I think the "IV", is to reflect a tenative numbering, the movie IS set in the same canon as the first two movies but the third holds the numbering this movie would likly hold. It would have been much easier if the film had a "Superman Returns"-style title to avoid all of this confusion. Dr. R.K.Z 2 June 2006

Would someone please provide a source that indicates the relationship between TMNT and the other three films, because as far as I'm aware, there's nothing to suggest that this film is in continuity with the others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.53.192.71 (talk • contribs)

However, there is nothing to suggest that it is not a continuity of the other three films. The only mistakes would be minor continuity errors, that happen when a significant amount of time (oh, lets say 13 years) between movies. I agree that we do need references to suggest whether or not it is a continuation, but we have not heard from anyone that it isn't a continuation. Disinclination 04:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit

I edited the bit about the villains. It's definitely a bogus. Basically, Mirage Studios doesn't own the rights to the old cartoon. All the characters who weren't in the comics and in the old cartoon (Bebop, Rocksteady, Dimension X, Krang, Technodrome etc) don't belong to Mirage Studios, they belong to the studio that did the old cartoon. And there is no sign of the that studio being involved in the movie. Plus, about the soundtrack, that was also probably a bogus. I can't see them announcing the WHOLE soundtrack at this stage. Plus, in my opinion, the artists all suck (except U2) and don't sound very turtle-y. I mean, can you really picture the turtles kicking ass to Green Day?

Also, about the Shredder not being in the movie. I'll be honest with you, there is no specific source that says he won't be in it. BUT. The movie incorporates aspects of the first movie (the end of which Shredder was killed). So it is assumed that he is still dead, and he didn't come back from the dead in the second movie.

Lets recap here: "Mirage Studios doesn't own the rights to the old cartoon. All the characters who weren't in the comics and in the old cartoon (Bebop, Rocksteady, Dimension X, Krang, Technodrome etc) don't belong to Mirage Studios, they belong to the studio that did the old cartoon"

First of all, statement is false. Mirage Studios owns copyright to all character names. Fred Wolfe Productions own the production and Editing rights to the show not the characters.

[Edited By Halfshell]

They don't own the rights to the characters which appeared in the old cartoon and not the comics, hence why Bebop and Rocksteady and Dimension X and all that crap doesnt' appear in the new cartoon, which is what I was trying to say.


Bebop and Rocksteady among others don't appear in the new cartoon because Mirage does not want them to. Jay Verdi 11-24-2006

Nope, the official site says they actually do NOT have the rights to cartoon-exclusive characters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC).
Will Krang, Bebop, Rocksteady or the Technodrome appear in the current cartoon?

No. The 4Kids TV series is based on the comic books by Eastman and Laird, so the characters that were created specifically for the original TV cartoon will not appear in the new show. Some characters that originated in the Mirage Studios comic books, such as Leatherhead, will appear in the new series, but they will be portrayed as they were in the comic books, not the original animated series.

What about Mondo Gecko, Ninjara, Slash et al. Are they going to appear?

Highly unlikely. Since the 4Kids TV series is based on the comic books by Eastman and Laird, only the characters that were created for the Mirage universe will probably be showing up. There will be some crossover between the old and new series (like Leatherhead) - but as was stated above, the characters will appear in their original form, not as they were depicted in the original cartoon. Peter Laird wants to keep the mutant count low in the current series because he feels that it makes the TMNT more special.

That right there says they choose not to use them. Not that they didn't own them. I looked through the whole offical site and no where did it state that they did not own the rights to the exclusive cartoon charichters. So until i see other wise i will not believe that they do not own them. Other people shouldn't also.

Woah what's all this about the soundtrack?! Marco Beltrami or whatever he's called. Does that mean we're having no shi**y pop music, and having a proper musical score?

[edit] Article Moved???

Should this article have been moved without discussion or citation? All the press and production information indicates that actual film will be called TMNT, not the full Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Can we get a citation for the name change? ThuranX 15:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cancelled?

I heard that it was canned. 67.188.172.165 02:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Not at all. You must be thinking of the John Woo TMNT project, or the Hallmark TV movie The S 18:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hallmark was gonna do a movie? WTF? What was the premise.74.195.3.11 03:58, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

he was joking. ThuranX 05:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I wasn't. If you go back through Peter Laird's "Blast from the Past" articles (which are linked on the official site), you can see references to a TV movie that was being made for the Hallmark channel, including a prototype sculpt of Splinter's puppet/costume. The S 06:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Title of this article

IMDb has it as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles so maybe we should move it to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2007 film)....?

They've always had it like that. An already-existing discussion about this is found higher on this talk page. In any case, when the movie's finally released, we can change the title if it's different after all. --Brandon Dilbeck 18:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
IMDb now lists the movie as TMNT. --(trogga) 23:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth in franchise?

Can we get a citation regarding this film as a definitive continuation of the previous, live action series? Thanks. ThuranX 02:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] voice actors

Michaelangelo sounds an awful lot like Marc Thompson who works on many 4kids properties RobertHeadley 00:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I see someone listed what some of the actors in the trailer SOUND like. I think being subjective, this isn't something that should be on the main page of an article, but on the discussion page. Also, I see someone added Mako back. It is true that Mako was announced as the voice of splinter months ago, but unfortunately, he passed away of cancer, shortly thereafter, I think we need more concrete proof that mako is voicing splinter still, did he finish his lines? RobertHeadley 13:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I see that http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/24228 basically confirms that mako is still involved, tho I don't see the reason to prematurely list the others.RobertHeadley 13:14, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
please do not post unconfirmed information about who is in the movie. Just because a character sounds like a voice actor, doesn't mean they are. Get confirmation, then post, with a reference thank you RobertHeadley 12:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
unfortunetly, the reference you listed doesn't confirm KMR in the role at all, it only mentions that would be cool. IMDB, which is still a pretty loss source for information (pretty bad that the only canonically resource for movie credits is riddled with errors, does mention Grey DeLisle is in the movie, who knows what character she is playing tho. RobertHeadley 06:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there was one voice actor who returned, Jim Cummings played characters in the first three films and I believe he voiced the robber/common criminal in this installment. Silent_Assasin2 7:29, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] That's odd

Quinton Flynn himself confirmed he was voicing Casey Jones in this film. So why was he scrapped for Chris Evans? The S 20:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flight of the Bumblebee? Really?

Do we have any confirmation that the music in the first trailer is actually a remix of Rimsky-Korsakov? The string line near the end is very similar in rhythm and interval but I don't think it justifies calling this a remix. So... remove? The beuks 02:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] i saw it

yeah, this is defniitely a continuation of the first three flicks. all three turtles movies are referenced in this one.

I'm a turtles fan. I loved the first two movies, and i liked the third. i was excited when i heard that a fourth one was being made. if youre a turtles fan, and you plan on seeing this movie, my advice is keep your expectations low, unless youre six years old or younger. in that case you'll probably like it. this movie was made with only one thing in mind: selling toys to kids. It's a lame movie. the story is awful. really awful. full of cliches about ancient warriors, monsters comming out of different dimensions, and immortal curses. the movie is entirely digitally animated. things look kind of okay. some cool rain effects. the sets are cool. the character move (walk) a bit akwardly at times. the turtles hands and feet are abnormally large, but there are certain details like skin texture and veins and wrinkles which make them look alright. the human characters all look bad. my friend said he thinks splinter looks like chester cheetah. he's right. also, splinter sounds like a drunken pizza chef when he talks. oh, and there are not nearly enough pizza refferences in the movie. like, no pizza jokes. 06:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)~~george

That, and the part of the article where it says they have the canister of ooze, a time scepter, etc, would indicate that this film does include the previous films in its continuity. However the article says that it doesn't. Can we get solid evidence one way or the other? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 22:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
You know the Time Scepter and Armor could also be a referance to the part in the comics when the Turtles used a scepter to travel in time.

Except that the Scepter seen is clearly the one from the third movie and besides the Time Scepter was never theirs in the comics. User: Jay Verdi

There are a few problems with this film being part of the continuity of the first three films. 1.) Shredder's Helm. How could the the turtles have aquired it? Why is it not crushed? We can plainly see the helm get crushed at the end of the first film. 2.) from what I can tell by looking at pictures of the movie, splinter still has all of his right ear. If this was supposed to be in continuity his right ear would be missing because shredder cut it off in Japan. 3.) The turtles did not and could not return to the present time with any part of the samuri armor based on the rules of equal mass displacement outlined in the third film. Also at this point in the movie they've long abandoned their samuri armor. TimeCruiserMike 06:08, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

That's true that the Shredder's helmet was crushed, but if you remember the second movie. He reuses it and cuts it up with some steel saw or something making the helmet looking more jagged so maybe it's possible that the helmet didn't get damaged as bad as it appeared in the first movie especially if he would reuse it in such a short time after his fall from the building. I've heard that this movie had some tie ins to the previous movies, at least the first two and you can clearly see that the Shredder helmet looks to be the same as the first movie's appearance. But as to how the Turtles would have gotten it, or maybe that shouldn't be the right helmet if this new movie should really take place after the other ones and that it should look more like the second movies one with the jagged edges or that if it's the same helmet should it look more like the Super Shredder helmet since the helmet was changed due to the mutation? Maybe the creators of the new story didn't really take the time to look back in the past movies about exact character developments that occurred like Splinter's ear or the cloths that disappear in time travel and make the four movies follow better continually together.

It happens when movies are spaced too far apart. Continuity errors appear. However, it seems to me that TMNT is apart of the continuity, and we don't have any basis otherwise to suggest so. Disinclination 17:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

GB2 IMDB. Wikipedia talk pages are NOT messageboards, post your movie reviews elsewhere kplzthxbai.

K00bine 06:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teenage Mutant Ninja Tutrles: Immortal

Over at Filmspot.com they say the movie is called "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Immortal". Any validity in this? JimmmyThePiep 18:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

no, its been marketed as TMNT and nothing else, not even "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" its just TMNT. Sdphost 22:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Immortal" was a preliminary name for the movie at one point. The S 06:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sequel posibility

The article states this: "In a recent interview, director Kevin Munroe stated that he'd like to direct a possible sequel, possibly involving the return of the Shredder." I just saw the movie today, and towards the end, Karai subtlety hints at this. Oh course, then the turtles get the hint, and simultaneously shout out "The Shredder?!"The Great Morgil 01:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Article states that this film takes place after TMNT 1,2 and 3. This is not exactly true. You see, there is no Karai in old TMNT movies, and April is a reporter there. This is because old movies were after old TMNT series, while new TMNT movie is after new TMNT 2003+ series. My best guess is that new TMNT movie takes place right before last Season 4 episode (ill-famous "The Ninja Tribunal"), and Karai actually hints the Turtles about upcoming True Shredder threat (as we know from Season 5, Karai knew about True Shredder from the very beginning and made some preparations). However it means that Episode 103 "Good Genes Part II" from Season 4 and "The Ninja Tribunal" are separated by...i don't know...a year? This may not be possible, because "The Ninja Tribunal" story arc begins in Episode 100 "A Tale of Master Yoshi" (first appearance of the Ninja Tribunal) and "Good Genes Part II" (elemental Heralds come into play). Anyways, they can't do a movie about Shredder's Return, because it is already done in Season 5. L.R.N 03:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rotten Tomatoe Score

Why is there nothing on the horrible Rotten Tomatoe score this movie got? Right now the reception section is nothing but a gush piece picking out the few people who liked it while Rotten Tomatoes clearly shows that among critics it has a 32%. 128.227.48.253 03:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, certainly it should be added. One thing to note, however, is that critics and the "fans" often have different rating scores. It's one thing I've noted consistantly with RT. As with several horror movies, critics have often bashed many of them. However, the fans continually love the movies, despite their flaws (which they see quite clearly), and rate them high. So if you could post on here the link for the critic score and the "fan" score, it would be much appreciated and would be added to the article. :) Disinclination 17:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost Rider Homage?

Raphael being a night-only ,motorcycle-riding, using a chain as a weapon, anti-hero vigilante strikes you as Ghost Rider? I sure think it does. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.51.120.128 (talk) 14:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

No, not really. Vigilantes usually work at night, and are often anti-heroes. That's like saying April's yellow jumpsuit is an homage to Kill Bill because they both fought ninjas.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.115.196.141 (talk • contribs)

I think it would be the other way around... April wore her yellow jumpsuit way before Kill Bill was released. Drewface (talk) 15:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced "Ever We Fall" statements in Soundtrack

Portland local band Ever We Fall (of Hopeless Records) spent the weeks leading up to the film's release spreading word of their track "Youth Like Tigers" and its presence in the film. However, many fans were disappointed to learn that the scene featuring the track was roughly 15 seconds long [citation needed]; and the nature of that scene was not particularly significant. [citation needed] The use of music by Jet and P.O.D. received applause during the Portland press screening of the film. [citation needed]

If someone can find appropriate citations for these (I couldn't), feel free to put it back. Disinclination 02:55, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary

You know.. we're probably gunna get thwaped sooner or later for the length or the chaos of the summary. I'm trying to prune it up, but having more experienced people come in and change the wording would be helpful too. Disinclination 05:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia info to be encorporated better

Include this in the article somewhere. Disinclination 23:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Continuity/adaptations

I was going to put a little note in the trivia section until I noticed the message not to add anything more there. The artifacts on the lair's wall makes it clear viewers are supposed to see this movie as a sequel to the three previous films, but in the video game Shredder's design is based on the 2003 cartoon show. Even more telling are Mirage's comic book prequels and movie adaptation; triceratons are seen, utroms are mentioned, and the characters the Ancient One and the Ninja Tribunal make appearances. This all points to an interpretation that the movie can be viewed as extending from the 2003 show. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RossMay (talk • contribs) 17:26, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Just because they use elements that are currently only found in the new cartoon does not meen the movie is conected to the show. And FYI Utroms and Triceratons are from the original comics. -Jay Verdi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.82.71.134 (talk • contribs)

I realize that the connected yet not-in-the-movie material could be non-canonical, but I believe it is worth mentioning in the wikipedia article so readers are aware and can come to their own conclusion. Also I am aware of the Utroms and Triceratons originating in the Mirage comics, but felt that Shredder's game design and the existence of the cartoon-only characters points to connections with the 2003 series.

[edit] Reception

The reception piece in this article is an absolute joke. Specifically the box office section. It seems the excellent opening weekend is mentioned, but nothing of its dismal performance in later weeks is mentioned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.189.178.102 (talk) 03:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Toned down fighting

Just giving a head's up to this article[1] where Munroe and Gray talk about how they had to tone down the fighting, most noticeably Mikey's nunchucks, which I thought were pretty much non-existent in the film. Might merit a mention in the article. - Annie D 07:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "References to previous incarnations" section

One bullet point in the trivia section consists of references to the previous films and to the comics. Perhaps this could be given its own section, if it's actually valuable information; otherwise it should probably just be removed. 63.163.61.3 15:11, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possible copyright violation

The trivia section contains many entries identical to those in the movie's IMDb trivia. Could someone with more time than me please do some copyediting ninjitsu to prevent copyvio? Rob T Firefly 00:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] General Mono?

In the trivia section, it says that all of the Generals' names are derived from Spanish and lists them, one of them being Mono for monkey. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I saw the movie yesterday and I don't recall seeing anyone by the name of Mono. There was a Colonel Santino, but I can't seem to figure out the meaning of his name, unless it comes from santo for saint, which doesn't seem right to me. I'm quite curious if anyone could shed some light on this matter. Czar Baldy Bald IV 14:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

This article currently says Santino (what's a santino? elephant?), but the toy of the character is definitely called Mono. However, i saw the movie yesterday and none of the generals other than Aquila (Eagle) were named in the movie. They barely spoke. The question is. what do the credits say? and speaking of Aquila, this article currently spells it Aguila, as Patrick Stewart's character said it was at the beginning, correcting April's pronunciation of 'akila', but later on Stewart pronounces it 'Akila' anyway, and since Aquila means eagle, that's probably his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 20:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

The credits say Santino but I still don't have any idea what that means. The TMNT video game names one of the bosses as a General Mono but he's not credited in the movie. As for Aguila, I believe that is truly his name as the Spanish for eagle is in fact "águila" rather than "aquila." Plus, I think that's how he's credited. Czar Baldy Bald IV 23:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remove/Fix Sequel Section?

Currently reads: "As of two weeks ago Imagi Entertainment (the TMNT movie animation studio) informed Mirage Studios that there was a 50-50 chance of a CGI film sequel. Last week they upped the odds to 70-30 in favor of a sequel, as talks between Imagi and their distribution partners Warner Brothers and the Weinstein Group seem to be heading in a positive direction."

I want information about a sequel but this is not sourced and undated. What was two weeks ago when this was written won't be two weeks ago when it's read...

I was just going to remove it but maybe someone else can fix it?

BTerran 16:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Epic Novelisation

I noticed this tag on the top of the page:

This article or section contains a plot summary that is overly long or excessively detailed compared to the rest of the article.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the best guy for this job, but I would be willing to take on this task. All I ask is that when I'm done, someone else decide if I summarized it enough. I'll begin work right away. Larrythefunkyferret 04:30, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I've finished. If anyone wiser than I am thinks that the issues in the tag have been addressed, would you please remove the tag? I don't feel right about doing it myself. Larrythefunkyferret 23:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Links

What's with all the links to articles like "legend", "horror (emotion)", etcetera in the plot section of the article? Doesn't seem very appropriate by wiki standards to have so many links to general articles like that.. Th 2005 (talk) 16:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC)