User:Tivedshambo/Archives/2006c

I see you've been editing this article since we got it saved on behalf of the newcomer, Adarshsamaj, that created it. If you believe in this article and its topic, then by all means keep at it. I notice, however, that the original author has made no additional edits (either to this article or any others), in spite of comments and suggestions on his talk page. At this point, you should not feel compelled to keep working on this "to be a good guy" or to "stick up for a newcomer". I've wasted lots of time in the past working on newcomers' semi-vanity or vanity articles, only to find they had no interest in ever adding to Wikipeida again, including the article I busted my butt for. You've certainly gone beyond the call of duty in your first efforts on his behalf and I am disappointed to see he/she has not bothered to reciprocate.

This is one reason I like the PROD process -- the author gets 5 days to show that he/she can make the article into something acceptable, even if not wikified or pretty. If they don't care to do this, then I lose interest. So I fight to get speedy deletes changed to PRODs, but I like to see the newcomer showing some "skin in the game"

That's my two cents worth and it certainly should not be viewed as criticism -- I very much respect what you've done.

--A. B. 18:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the above, and certainly don't intend to do any more to it. All I did was add some obvious links and put in the missing <references/> tag.

Also, bear in mind that the author is probably Indian, and possibly does not have regular internet access, so may not have seen the changes and discussion yet. -- Tivedshambo (talk) 19:41, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Good point re: access.

I just received an e-mail today from another guy for whom I had earlier gone to bat. He was asking me to more or less fix his stuff, prove its notability, etc. This was in response to an e-mail I had sent him 1-2 weeks ago.

See:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GBO Trusted Enterprise Award
• User talk:Pingfan

and then compare that with

• his own level of effort on Wikipedia

The whole experience left me feeling like a naive chump who'd wasted a lot of time. I'm much more selective of which new users I support and how far I go on their behalf. I still hate to see speedy deletions and tactlessly, brusque actions against the articles and their newcomer-creators, but I also want to see some follow-up on the newcomer's part.--A. B. 22:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I have determined that my reversion was in error -- sort of. When reverting users' edits, I don't have the opportunity to give a reason for the reversion. The addition you made to the article was unsourced. Though both you and I know that Brazil was one of (if not the only) favorite in the World Cup, it was unsourced, and had to be removed. Next time, please add some support before claiming that Brazil was the "favorite." Ian Manka Talk to me! 20:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Follow up - you claim that "Brazil were favourites" was uncited. They were number 1 seed (I must admit I thought this was in the article itself - I've just checked and it's on a linked page). Although this doesn't necessarily make them favourites, it is common knowledge. (I agree a reference would be technically required under the rules of WP, but if we did that for every minor detail in an article of that size, it would become impossibly large). Even so, if you thought that a reference was required, a {{fact}} tag should be all that is necessary, not a full reversion. Finally, can I suggest that where an edit is not obviously vandalism, you wait a few minutes before altering, as the original editor may be making changes (as I was at the time - putting the link to Brazil national football team, which incidentally also cited them as favourites). -- Tivedshambo (talk) 20:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Once again, my mistake. It was 2:35 in the morning here, and I was tired, but that is no excuse. I read somewhere that an editor should never edit when tired. Anyways, deepest apologies. No hard feelings? Ian Manka Talk to me! 21:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation - don't worry about it ;-) -- Tivedshambo (talk) 21:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I do apologize for editing your user page without asking you first, but when you put {{stub}} on any page, it places the page in Cat:Stubs. I am a stub sorter and I go through Cat:Stubs all the time and sort them into the proper stub types. User pages are not articles and they should not have stub tags. It's fine to put an article on your sub-page in order to get it ready for the article space, but please do not put any tags on it, such as {{stub}} or anything like that. Again, I apologize for not asking first, but I was just doing my job. ~ Amalas rawr ^{=^_^=} 16:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You had removed the {{db-band}} tag, not the {{hangon}} tag. I don't know whther this was intentional, or just an accident on your part.-- Tivedshambo (talk) 08:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

OK with me to delete - please note you can sign your messages using four tildes. ~~~~, jimfbleak 05:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry - my most common error. -- Tivedshambo (talk) 08:22, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, the tilde thing was a bit snide and unnecessary -we've all done it. I've added a comment on the article talk page. jimfbleak 05:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

The distinction between a miniature railway and a minimum gauge one is that a miniature railway's locomotives are scale models of actualy prototypes, while a minimum gauge railway is a true narrow gauge line built on tracks of 18 inch gauge or less. In other words a miniature railway is a very big model railway and a minimum gauge railway is a very small prototype :-) I believe the Lakeside uses principally model locos, so should be listed in miniature railways article, not the Minimum gauge railways article. I hope this makes sense. There was some confusion as "miniature railway" was for a time redirecting to Minimum gauge railways, which was incorrect. I've fixed that in the last few days.

I hope this makes sense. Best, Gwernol 19:14, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

yes, but I think meets the guidelines for academics - Geraint—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Geraintjohnes (talk • contribs) . 12:10, 25 August 2006

The page seems to have improved a lot overnight - I don't think much else needs doing. -- Tivedshambo (talk) 07:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you - How do I get the message you put on the top to stop appearing about it being advertisement? Barryfein 22:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I see you've done this. I've requested external peer review for an outside opinion on the article. Incidentally, you must make sure the images used has the correct copyright tag, as it is currectly nominated for speedy deletion for this reason. -- Tivedshambo (talk) 16:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

That's the joy of Wikipedia - you are free to contribute anything, and all edits show up instantly. However, there are a number of guidelines laid down about the suitability of articles. I'm afraid to say that (in my opinion), you are not notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. However, that will be for an Administrator to decide. I'll put some guidance notes for you on your talk page — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) 21:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment - you stated some negative speculation had been made in a national newspaper, though you did not state any further details, or give any source for this. I therefore removed your comments immediately in line with Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Remove unsourced or poorly sourced negative material — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) 05:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

See my response on Talk:Umpqua Holdings Corporation — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  20:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information and removal of the deletion tag. Wikipedia certainly has a great community, as seen through my newbie eyes. — Andrew Ruess 21:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

So why are you still removing them? — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  11:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey Tived,

Two band pages I made less than 6 hours ago have been deleted. One of the bands, Dirty Brown Eye, had 2 major independent releases and toured with many signed major acts, meeting the criteria. The other band, Primer Black, has not yet released a record, but the artists in that band are from former noteable bands, which also meets the criteria. More work was going to be done on those pages, but now they are gone. I apologize for removing the speedy deletion tags, but after you explained to me how they work, I didn't touch them and now my work is gone. How can I go about retrieving what I worked on and getting these pages back up?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Punisher777 (talk • contribs) .

See Wikipedia:Undeletion policy. Can I point out that I didn't delete these pages - only an administrator can do that. You had plenty of opportunity to demonstrate notability - if you had put {{hangon}} on the pages it would have held them until you could have explained on the talk pages.

By the way, my user name is Tivedshambo, not Tived. Also, remember to sign your comments with ~~~~.

Just a thought: it might be non-obvious to find my antispam efforts just by looking at my last x# of contribs. Get the last 500, then search for the word "spam". There are more in the next 500 too. Cheers! --Storkk 23:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering if you would withdraw the nomination when you get a chance, after reading the recent comments on the AfD page? Certainly, the article you nominated was absolute trash, this is no longer that article. Thanks for any reply on my talk page, Storkk 23:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll review it tonight. No time now. — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  06:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Tivedshambo, thanks for your very kind words about my Talyllyn map. I'm trying to add maps for all the Welsh narrow gauge railways: you'll see them popping up as I get time to do them. So far I've got the Ffestiniog Railway, Corris Railway, Kerry Tramway and Hendre-Ddu Tramway done. I'm very glad you corrected and added to the route description to the Talyllyn article. I'm planning on expanding it further when I get time. Thanks also for the corrections to the map. I'll do another version incorporating these changes shortly. The Tynllwynhen spelling came from Boyd's "Narrow Gauge Railways in Mid Wales" which I suspect is a late Victorian version of the current spelling. I wasn't sure about Quarry Siding - glad you could correct me. All the best, Gwernol 18:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Further to my previous comments: coincidentally, I went to Tywyn today. I didn't have time to travel on the Talyllyn, but I did pick up a copy of the latest guide book. In that, they spell the halt with two words, i.e. Tynllwyn Hen. I suspect either is correct. — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  21:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I suspect its one of those names that has changed spelling considerably over time. I've got the updated Talyllyn map up (you may need to refresh the page to see it) and have also been working on some others - I particularly like the latest version of Corris Railway one. I'm jealous that you were in Tywyn - I was last there in 1999 I think. I'd love to get back soon, not to mention Corris. All the best, Gwernol 21:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Corris map is very good. I hope one day the railway will be restored to cover most of the original route. They don't have much yet, but what they do have is well worth seeing. — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  21:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I've been a member of the Corris Railway Society since 1978 and it always was my favorite railway. Sadly I haven't been back since they completed No. 7 so I've never seen steam at Maespoeth: I hope I can do so next year. My guess is they'll get the southward extension to Tan-y-coed completed in the next five-seven years. After that I could see a gradual extension south to Machynlleth, although re-bridging the Dyfi won't be easy. The line north of Corris to Aberllefenni is, sadly, unlikely to see trains in our lifetime though. Still, we can dream, can't we? Best, Gwernol 21:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Three reasons.

1. The page was clearly an attack on him, rather than being written from a neutral point of view. You made personal allogations which you did not or could not substantiate.
2. The fact that he is an actor is not sufficient grounds by itself for notability.
3. The page has already been deleted once today for the above reasons.

 — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  20:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

You are right and I am sorry for the trouble. I now realize that wikipedia is a serious endevour someone has taken on. It is a waste of your time to be cleaning up my mess. From now on I will only contribute to wikipedia if there is a reason and if I belive the contribution has any substance or value. Once again I am sorry.

Post Script: The article was an inside joke and the joke is over.

Theirishmav212

Thanks for your refreshingly mature response to this. I've added a standard "welcome" template at the top of this page, which will give you some background to producing articles for Wikipedia. I hope you enjoy being a Wikipedian! — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  07:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

It is a commonly used phrase these days, generally referring to Tesco's, as they are the main supermarket chain to have a chilled reduced price food rack.

Oh, am not affiliated with Tesco's by the way. I guess I can change out the reference to tesco's imparticular.

I have asked people if they know what it means and 1/2 the people seem to know also what it is.

Its kind of a London Slang thing.

I was planning on linking it to supermarkets. How about I broaden it to all supermarkets, and then link it on the area?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jsb88 (talk • contribs) 11:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

It must be very localised, as I can only find one reference to it on the internet. Therefore I imagine it will not be considered notable enough for Wikipedia — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  15:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I've copied your comments to the deletion discussion page at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Twenty2product. — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  15:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have Prodded it instead of speedying it, but at the time that I added the CSD to the article, I did not feel it met WP:BAND. One single in a relatively small country.

As WP:CSD#Non-criteria says, not meeting notability guidelines doesn't make an article a candidate for WP:SD. In fact, the notabilty guidelines are unrelated to an article's eligibility for WP:SD. As long as there's an assertion of importance, even an implausible one, the article has to be Proded or AfDed. --Rrburke 17:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Agreed - I'll be more careful in future. Incidentally, I think the prod can come off the article now, as there seems to be citation. — Tivedshambo (talk to me/look at me/ignore me) —  17:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

An admin explained it to me here: Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Interpretation_of_.7B.7Bdb-band.7D.7D_etc.

--Rrburke 18:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)