Talk:Tiridates I of Armenia
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Don't really think it's really that good, nominated to get potential help to make it better.--Eupator 01:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- It certainly meets the criteria - well written, referenced, illustrated, stable, doesn't seem to omit any major facets etc. You should probably go to peer review if you want to get help on improving the article - GA is for short articles that can be considered 'finished' (inasmuch as any Wikipedia article is finished - they can always be expanded to reach the sort of size required by WP:FA). Worldtraveller 21:21, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Severe crud
Prior to my edit of today, the article was pushing the view that Tiridates had something to do with Roman Mithraism.
>> Modern historians also speculate that Tiridates and his entourage popularized or perhaps even imported Mithraism to Rome. (three "citations" follow).
- "Modern" historians do not speculate this, unless one considers Cumont (the first cited source) as "modern" and the present-day consensus (which refutes Cumont) as invalid. Moreover, the second quoted source was a rip-off of an entry in the Encyclopedia Iranica, which had then been "modified" to suit a particular POV. This is indeed standard-operating-procedure for the "CAIS", which attempts to present itself as a serious source (by stealing articles from elsewhere) and then sneaking bull between the sheets.
>> Being a chief priest of the Mithraic religion,<ref>Tacitus, ''Annals'', 15.24</ref> Tiridates traveled by land, avoiding the sea, since Mithraism and Zoroastrianism prohibits desecrating water with any refuse of the human body.
- Tacitus, Annals 15.24 says no such thing. Neither does Annals 15.24 say Tiridates was a Mithraic priest, nor does it say that he went by land, leave alone why he might have done so.
- Indeed, the original sentence the author used as a source reads "Trdat himself being a chief Magian of the Zoroastrian religion, avoided the sea route and traveled by land, Mazdeism prohibited spitting in the water or desecrating it with any other refuse of the human body". AND this is not from Tacitus, but from Vahan M. Kurkjian.
- The author also attributes another cut-and-paste from Kurkjian to Dio Cassius 63.5.2. This too needs checking.
>> According to Pliny the Elder, Tiridates initiated Nero into the Mithraic cult.
- Another piece of creative rephrasing. What Pliny actually said was Tiridates *introduced* Nero to magicis cenis, "magical feasts" (more properly "magian feasts").
-- Fullstop 17:02, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Saint Drtad?
Is this the Saint King Drtad mentioned in the Calendar of Saints (Armenian Apostolic Church) for June 30? John Carter 18:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tiridates & the Biblical Magi
Text deleted from first paragraph: This is about the same time that the Gospel of Matthew recorded a journey of wise men from the east to the infant Jesus in Bethlehem. This may lay behind the later Christian legend of the Three Magi.
I have removed this sentence because it is ambiguous. If "about the same time" refers to the time of the events recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, then it is factually incorrect, as the events of Christ's nativity occurred somewhere between 8-4 BC, not AD 66. Matthew may have been written aound AD 66. If this is what the sentence means, it should be clarified. I do not have access to the cited reference, so I have not rewritten. If the reference asserts the second option, then it might be nice to have additional references to Biblical studies, instead of just a history of Armenia.--Iacobus (talk) 02:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)