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Contents 1 Possibly unfree Image:Naomilong.jpg 2 Possibly unfree Image:Seamusclose.jpg 3 Possibly unfree Image:Kieranmccarthy.jpg 4 Incomplete CFD administration 5 Jonah 6 Orphaned non-free image (Image:Qm logo.gif) 7 Orphaned non-free image (Image:Neeson.jpg) 8 Gordon Brown 9 Re: The Mysterious Planet (on Chronology of the Doctor Who universe) 10 University of Glasgow 11 UUP 12 You helped choose carbon dioxide as this week's WP:ACID winner 13 David Clark, Baron Clark 14 Virendra Sharma 15 Monmouth constituencies 16 University of St Andrews Students' Association 17 Nice initiative 18 Hello 19 Image:Eliot College, Kent.jpg 20 Jayne Innes 21 Milner / OU Chancellor 22 Stub 23 Surrey assessment 24 Anti-numbering campaign 25 Question 26 UKUP 27 Tireless and mundane work 28 Brian May 29 Durham University Athletic Union 30 English wikipedia 31 State your argument 32 Image source problem with Image:Bbklogo.jpg 33 A406/N Circ 34 help sept 25th notable events 35 Richard Rhys Grigg 36 UUP support 37 The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue I (September 2007) 38 Sutton High School (London) 39 Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies) 40 Universities in France 41 Fair use rationale for Image:Qmsu.jpg 42 The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue II (October 2007)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:Naomilong.jpg

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[edit] Incomplete CFD administration

The following rename has not occured yet: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_6#Category:Chicago_films. Please advise if I am incorrect on expecting a rename. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this comment but the problem seems to be resolved. From recollection this was listed as a "no bot" category as it required splitting and I guess there was nobody following the outcome who had the knowledge to split out the category, hence it took a while to implement. Timrollpickering 13:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jonah

"if it's Jonah, we're all doomed!" - What did you mean by that? Why was my vision scary? not that I want it to happen. 81.79.44.91 14:14, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Lembit Öpik has an unfortunate reputation for being the "Backing of Death" in Liberal Democrat internal elections. Consequently he's aquired the nickname "Jonah" and a lot of people wonder if anything backed by Öpik is doomed. If he becomes Prime Minister heaven only knows what disaster will befall us! Timrollpickering 14:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Qm logo.gif)

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[edit] Gordon Brown

Dear Tim, Please go ahead with your suggested correction about his education. However, I notice that footnote 1 does not appear in the footnote list for some odd reason - maybe you can check that at the same time? The knock-on effect of this correction will also need to be copied to various other PM pages in wiki because you now say five PMs rather than four. Maybe you will consider making those changes in due course. Up to you if you also add a few examples of who did not attend university at all. thanks again Peter morrell 10:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Added it. "Five" was an error stemming from someone's confusion over MacDonald. I can't see what the problem with the first footnote is. Timrollpickering 11:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I now see it has suddenly disappeared! However the article is so fast-changing that maybe it can be put back in due course...not very urgent. thanks Peter morrell 09:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Tim, what about the glass eye sentence? does he have a glass eye or what? It keeps getting put back in...thanks Peter morrell 13:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: The Mysterious Planet (on Chronology of the Doctor Who universe)

I'm absolutely sure the Sixth Doctor says "billion"

Ah, a long time after your period. Er, two billion years or more?

—Sixth Doctor, The Mysterious Planet, "Ep. 1"

Thanks, Will ^(talk) 12:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Everything I've seen, including several of the pieces (both episode guides and reviews) linked to from the page on the story - [1] [2] [3] - goes for "million" not "billion". And almost every chronology of the series before 2005 never even saw a possible problem about the story being dated after the events of The Ark (10 million years in the future), let alone tried to tackle it. (Of course The End of the World renders the issue semi-academic.) Timrollpickering 13:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University of Glasgow

Tim, regarding your reversion of my change regards the status of the name of Glasgow University Student Nationalist Association I would be grateful if you could clarify your statement "don't rewrite other people's comments" as the premise on which you made the reversion. I replaced "Article suggests this actually was the title." with "actual title in use." I don't see this as a mere "rewrite" (in the sense that the two versions are equivalent) since the propositions are substantively different. Firstly because the original suggested doubt - mine does not (and does not because I know the true position as a matter of fact). Secondly because the original was written in the past tense. That is erroneous (or at least misleading) as there is still a Glasgow University Student Nationalist Association and it still operates under that title. Perhaps I have misunderstood Wikipedia etiquette, in which case I would be grateful for an explanation, but my understanding was that Wikipedians were encouraged to amend inaccurate or misleading information. Thanks. --Antisthenes 19:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

First off talk pages are different from articles and it is considered bad form to amend comments that have been made by another user as that is putting words into their mouth - it's better to post a comment underneath saying something like "to clarify....".

With regards the GUSNA, when I compiled that list, this was the-then current version of the that page. Note that there wasn't a link to a current GUSNA website and it was only towards the bottom of the page that anything even implicitly saying "this organisation is still in existance" comes into prominence. Note also that Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glasgow University Scottish Nationalist Association is totally focused on its historic role and again wasn't saying much about it existing into the present day. Consequently the only information available at a glance was in a historic contect. (Also a lot of university political societies have collapsed with totally new replacements with the same names later springing up so it didn't immediately spring out that even if there is a GUSNA going today it was the same organisation.) Timrollpickering 19:38, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UUP

I made some major edits to the UUP history section, I'd appreciate you taking a look over it (please respond here)Traditional unionist 19:07, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Will look in detail at some point soon as I've been caught up with several things. So far it looks generally good although some names for the periods of history would be better than years. Timrollpickering 23:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks.Traditional unionist 11:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] You helped choose carbon dioxide as this week's WP:ACID winner

Thank you for your support of the Article Improvement Drive. This week carbon dioxide was selected to be improved to featured article status. Hope you can help.

Spamsara 22:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Clark, Baron Clark

Hi, further to your message on the above talk page, do you know how to move this page as described? Proteus seems to have found some way of blocking it, either that or I'm doing something wrong. Many thanks. lawsonrob 7 July 2007, 1848

Actually it appears Proteus got it to the correct title - see Clark's introduction in the Lords. "David Clark, Baron Clark" would be completely wrong. Timrollpickering 23:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Virendra Sharma

Hi Tim. As I've seen you editing it recently, I won't delete it but... do you think Virendra Sharma deserves an article at present? Whouk (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It is frankly making things messy - luckily Wikipedia hasn't become another battleground in the election (yet). My edits were just to remove some factual inaccuracies and add the categories that were missing, but yeah this is premature. Timrollpickering 23:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Monmouth constituencies

Hi Tim, please can you cast your expert eye at this plea for help? Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Parliament constituencies#Monmouth_mess? Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] University of St Andrews Students' Association

Hey Tim, it's me, David. Wonder whether you could give us a hand with something. Someone has posted an AfD tag on the University of St Andrews Students' Association page, and we've got a debate raging. The people arguing for deletion are, to my mind, very good at policy-speak sophistry, but not so hot on the old common sense or, indeed, engaging with their opponents. Would be great to have your input. Lordrosemount 11:34, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice initiative

Hey, nice initiative at University of London article. I personally feel that this article should be improved. Constituent college articles are becoming featured article while university article is still at a B class level. I think, your initiative may change the picture now. keep working. Niaz bd 19:18, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

By the way, we have started a new project: WikiProject_Bangladeshi_Universities. It would be really nice if you visit our activity and put your valuable comments on different aspects of improvements. Niaz bd 19:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

You left a message on North East Wales Institute of Higher Education quite a while ago. wondered if you would like to have a look and see if you can give me any comments about how i can improve it as wikiproject universities is pretty quiet this time of year. I have done a lot to it loads in fact quite proud of it Delighted eyes 02:45, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Jayne Innes

Hi Tim. Could you take a look at this page sometime and asses its notability or not. Apart from being a parliamentary candidate I can't see anything notable about this person and we don't normally even consider that notable enough normally. Thanks, Galloglass 23:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Are we ok to add other parliamentry candidates? Galloglass 12:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Oops sorry, missed this. Yes go ahead. Timrollpickering 13:16, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Cheers Tim. :) Galloglass 14:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Milner / OU Chancellor

I've replied (twice) on the talk page of the article. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 14:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stub

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[edit] Surrey assessment

Please see reply. Simply south 20:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-numbering campaign

Hi. I like your comments on why we shouldn't number UK PMs. The US idea that you can be both 22nd and 24th President always strikes me as a little peculiar and I don't think we should adopt it here, certainly not by fiat at any case. Anyway, someone has well-meaniningly added numbers to a list of Chancellors which I feel is similarly misplaced: Gladstone has become Chancellor number 19, 22, 26 and 28! Wondered if you thought it worthy of commenting on, editing, etc, should this interest you. ¶ 20:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I have a question, that I thought you might have an answer to. I was putting in an infobox on the Arthur Henderson page. And I put that he was leader of the opposition until 1932, however he lost his seat in 1931 but remained party leader. So can you be leader of the opposition if you are not an MP? The Leader of the Opposition (United Kingdom) page says that he only held the post in 1931. So I'm confused. G-Man ^? 00:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It's perfectly possible to be a party leader outside the Commons (although I believe the current Labour Party constitution requires its leader to be in Parliament so they'd automatically lose the leadership if they lost their seat).

I'm not sure if Leader of the Opposition was a clearly defined post in 1931-1932 - it wasn't salaried until 1937. So there may well have been confusion as to whether the LotO was Henderson (in 1906 Chamberlain briefly led for the Unionists in the Commons between Balfour losing his seat and finding another, but Chamberlain said he was speaking "on behalf of the Leader of the Opposition" meaning Balfour) or Lansbury (as the leader of the party in the Commons). Timrollpickering 19:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UKUP

Hi. As regards my adding the Irish version of the name of the United Kingdom Unionist Party in the opening line of the article, I'd just like to say that I didn't intend it to be contentious. Páirtí Aontachtach na Ríochta Aontaithe is the official Irish language version according to focal.ie. Granted that the party in all probability do not use the Irish version at all, I still feel nevertheless that it should be included in the article as the term is actually used. If an Ulster-Scots version exists, that should be included as well, I believe. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 15:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Is that an "official Irish language version" used by the party for whenever it appears in Irish language media, an official translation by some UK government body, an official one by an Irish government body or official by whatever body regulates the Irish language? A lot of organisations insist that their name isn't translated in foreign languages and if UKUP is one then the Irish language version would be "United Kingdom Unionist Party", just as the English language version of "Sinn Féin" is "Sinn Féin".

I think it is messy to start adding translations in other languages in use in the province for the parties. Those like the SDLP who do make use of a language have an official sanctioned name in the language - a different thing from a translation even if it is the same words - and that should be shown, but translating every party name (and the name of every other organisation used) into every language used/recognised is potentially opening a can of POV worms, particularly when the status of the language itself is controversial (especially for the organisation in question). If not checked it could lead to a lot of UK articles having at least eight different names at the outset. Timrollpickering 16:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tireless and mundane work

		The Original Barnstar
		For tireless work with the thankless task of adding project and other classification boxes to great swathes of articles, and classifying those articles. Fiddle Faddle 12:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Brian May

"<!-- do not add ", PhD" even when his degree is awarded in May 2008; academic titles are not included in Wikipedia intros -->"

Oh, you're no fun. But, you're right, of course. Terry Carroll 20:12, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Durham University Athletic Union

Hi Tim, I notice that Durham University Athletic Union is currently up for AFD on the grounds of non-notability. I seem to recall some time ago there was a discussion about whether students' unions were notable or not (as DUAU legally is one), or what the criteria for notability should be. Was any consensus ever achieved, only I can't remember where the discussion took place? DWaterson 00:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I've not seen any, bar individual AFDs which frankly aren't really going to resolve the overall issue one way or the other, especially when terms like "student organization" (sic) are thrown about, when current Wikipedia use of that redirect sends it to a page that doesn't encompass students' unions!

Individual AFDs are not a good place to thrash this one out as a) people demaning "external sources proving notability" is confusing the "inherently notable matter"; b) too often most people working on the articles only see the demand when the AFD has been initiated and such formal processes are a disincentive to make the effort in the limited window available and c) other pages on SUs are not coming in the perview - yes WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS isn't the best of argument but that rejoinder gets overused and doesn't address the general question. Timrollpickering 03:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps a notability guideline for student organisations/clubs/societies/unions etc would be beneficial. Cheers, DWaterson 20:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want it kept, it may not be a good rhetorical strategy to discuss in advance what the closing admin should do if he deletes the article. :) DGG (talk) 01:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English wikipedia

This is the en.wikipedia. If you wish to add portuguese content please do so at pt.wwikipedia. Adding portuguese content to en.wikipedia is completely unacceptable, SqueakBox 01:55, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Afd on Portuguese content? Lol, SqueakBox 01:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

This is not Portugese content - the article is in English, all sources so far are from British news websites explaining the term. There is no clear equivalent of "Arguido" in English because the concept does not exist in most English language legal jurisdictions. Wikipedia includes articles on concepts that are primarily not found in the English speaking world but have gained notability and indeed generate confusion because they are not easily translated as the concept is not present in day to day English. Timrollpickering 02:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Its a translation of the Englsih word suspect, I am unhappy at putting a db on what should be a simple redirect but we dont explain foreign language words, its a no-brainer, and I strongly disagree that it isnt a direct translation, just because Portuguese law is slightly different does not justify your making up an article about a foreign language concept. Do we ahve an article on the word estar? No. And neither is there any justification for yor greatly expanding the wikipedia concept with no policy backing. Please desist, SqueakBox 02:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It is not a direct translation as has been shown by the sources cited. If it were then all the recent news would have simply stated that they were a "suspect". This is an article on a subject that primarily exists in Portugal and does not heavily exist in the English speaking world. Wikipedia has many such articles - look at Diplom for one - precisely because they are notable subjects and a key part of their notability is the difference from how things are done elsewhere in the world. "Arguido" is being used a lot precisely because it doesn't correspond to "suspect".

If you disagree with this reasoning, take it to AFD. Constantly redirecting the article and referring to "policy" is not useful. Timrollpickering 02:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

How can i take it to afd whern you have locked the page, abusing your admin powers in the process (the worst admin abuse I have ever seen, edit warring and locking thje page to your version). Please unlock the page and I'll afd it but do so quickly, SqueakBox 02:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The only reason for briefly protecting the page was that every couple of minutes it was getting arbitarily reverted. Disputed pages should not be locked in redirect form. It has just been unblocked. Timrollpickering 02:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It was being reverted because that was what you were doing, and that is why your then locking the page was unacceptable, admins get powers to fix other people's edit wars, when they engage in their own and then use admin powers its a case for Rfc and Rfa (though as you reverted you lock quickly this case obviously wont be going anywhere) as using adnin powers to further one's own agenda is unacceptable practice, SqueakBox 02:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

As you have abused your adnmin powers I'll take this to arbcom. Stop trolling, please, SqueakBox 02:08, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

That is better, now at afd, SqueakBox 02:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] State your argument

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[edit] A406/N Circ

It'll become a moot point soon, as when the extension opens it will overtake Brent Cross as the largest in Greater London/within the M25 (delete as you prefer) as a whole (although if the Thames Gateway plan ever goes forward, Bluewater & Lakeside could possibly come into the "Greater Greater London") — iridescent (talk to me!) 01:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help sept 25th notable events

Hi Tim this is Sam

I am in dispute with someone about notable events for sept 25th, if you look at the talk page it should become obvious what we are arguing about. Please can you advise me what i should do next to get a resolution of this dispute. i think we have negotiated a truce at present.

thanks

Sam

Ragingbullfrog 19:13, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I've had a look though as you say there's a bit of a truce at the moment - in such circumstances seeking resolution may not be productive (most resolvers will regard the matter as informally settled for now). Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year is perhaps the best place to ask for opinions on the overall matter, since the precedent one way or the other may impact across the range. Timrollpickering 23:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Richard Rhys Grigg

Hi Tim. Could you have a look at this article when you have a chance. I can't really find anything thats notable about this individual but would value a 2nd opinion from yourself. Thanks Galloglass 22:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks a clear case of a biography of a candidate/minor backroom party figure. I've nominated the page at AFD. Timrollpickering 23:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UUP support

I have to disagree with 1999. Euro elections have always been a disaster, 1999 was not ususual. The 2000 by election was also a blip, seeing as we won it back in 2001, but 2001 was identifiably the start of the rot.Traditional unionist 11:31, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

There was a swing noticable in 1999 - a 6.2% drop for the UUP and down to their lowest level so far (although they fell further in 2004). And South Antrim was a pretty big shock at the time and although regained in 2001 (primarily due to nationalists tactically voting against McCrea) it had hardly reverted to being the solid vote banker it normally was. Looking back the signs of the decline were clear before 2001. Timrollpickering 11:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

2000 we can perhaps have an argument about, but the 1999 euros was in line with a pattern of decline, in European Elections. They are unusual elections everywhere, but particularly in Northern Ireland.Traditional unionist 12:19, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue I (September 2007)

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[edit] Sutton High School (London)

See note on its talk page. PamD 10:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies)

Hi, sorry for loosing your additions to this page. I was attempting to revert out another user who had deleted some comments and refactored the page. Keith D 21:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Universities in France

Hello, I'm thrilled to see that you have taken an interest in systematizing the presentation of French universities. It's been a lonely task for the past couple of months. I've been going through the ninety French public universities and either creating pages (most cases) or moving their pages (if necessary) so that the names are rendered in English according to a reasonably consistent approach. Thank you for spotting the Université de La Rochelle, which is a (I hope rare) instance where I missed the fact that there was an existing page under another name before I created the stub. I went ahead and followed up on your merge suggestion. MyPOV 16:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The WikiProject Universities Newsletter: Issue II (October 2007)

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