User talk:TimothyHorrigan

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Second that welcome. Also, if you are interested in music, you might want to check out Portal:Music. TheJabberwock 01:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject AFL Hi mate, if you're a fan of Aussie rules, I suggest you take a look at WikiProject AFL (join by adding your name to the list of participants) and the Australian rules football portal. Also take a look at Category:VFL/AFL players and feel free to drop me a line with any questions, or on the WP:AFL discussion page. Cheers!

Rogerthat Talk 09:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] POV

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. As a member of the Wikipedia community, I would like to remind you of Wikipedia's neutral-point-of-view policy for editors. In the meantime, please be bold and continue contributing to Wikipedia. Thank you! --D-Day What up? Am I cool, or what? 19:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] July 4

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[edit] Mitt Romney

On a side note, you said, in your edit summary: the veto works the same way in Mass as it does elsewhere in the USA: the Governor can't amend passed bills. He either signs the bill as passed or vetoes it. I'm pretty sure that Governors of Massachusetts have the authority of the line-item veto, unlike Presidents of the United States. --AaronS 13:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Second Life

Wikipedia isn't a primary source, so all the content that goes into articles has to be verifiable per WP:V and WP:RS. WP:V is a founding policy for wikipedia and states that the threshold for inclusion is verifiability and not truth. So while something may be true, unless you can back it up with a source it can't be included in articles. There is a section on WP:OR which defines what original research is in the context of wikipedia. Anything that falls under that will need a citation. Anothing thing to keep in mind, especially when dealing with online subjects is that blogs and forum postings are not typically accepted as citations except in very limited fashions because of their self-published and unreliable nature.--Crossmr 04:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC) My point was that the campaign has an official Second Life site. I learned of it from a campaign worker, who put out press releases, etc., not from "original research." By your logic, the official web site should also not be mentioned on Wikipedia, either--- because at some point someone had to do "original research" to verify that it existed. The content available from the Second Life site duplicates what's on the web site, so it's not a huge loss having the Second Life site missing. User:TimothyHorrigan Timothy Horrigan 21:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of baseball in the United States

Hey, nice job snipping some of the unsourced melodrama from History of baseball in the United States. It's about time someone started getting that article into some form of encyclopedic tone. Keep it up! (You might want to include some edit summaries though or else whoever originally added it may get upset.) —Wknight94 (talk) 01:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laura Branigan

The Laura Branigan article has a history of POV edits (not talking about yours) by a couple of factions with a strong sense of "ownership" of the article and who seem to consider themselves sacred guardians of Branigan's memory or whatever. Part of that is the whole melodrama about which web site is "official" and who owns the domain name. The names of the people involved, etc., are pretty much irrelevant and inappropriate for Wikipedia. Remember that Wikipedia must remain strictly neutral in reporting on the dispute, including citing only to reliable, trusted, third-party sources. So all the stuff that's on one of the web sites about what Branigan did or didn't say or other self-serving material is not an appropriate source. We need to stick to the verifiable facts, in this case that's the WIPO case decision. In terms of undue weight the whole web site controversy deserves a couple of sentences at most. Best, --MCB 22:52, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

I saw this while checking RC. The last part doesn't make much sense unless you include Coulter's response. If you exclude it, then it doesn't state what Edwards replied to. Thanks, Mønobi 05:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huckabee

I am letting you know that I am reverting your Huckabee edit because the information added about the nominations and the primary races is unsourced. Please find a source for the information. Jmegill (talk) 21:46, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Jackson ...questionable claims

Hi Timothy, I am glad to see a like-minded editor who is concerned about the questionable and overblown claims in the Michael Jackson article. Here is a copy of the note I posted to the talk page of the MJ article. Like you, I have tried to edit or tone down the claims about how MJ "led MTV out of obscurity" and "revolutionized dance and music", etc, but my changes have been reverted.................................................................Here is my note to the article's talk pageNazamo (talk) 14:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC) ___________________________________-----------------------------------The lede states that MJ's videos on MTV had the effect of "leading the relatively young channel out of obscurity." The source, an ABC News article about the devotion of MJ's fans only mentions MJ and the early days of MTV in one sentence, when it states that MJ put MTV "on the map." I have changed the lede so that it accurately states what the source says (put MTV "on the map"), but an editor has changed it back to the "out of obscurity" wording. Paraphrasing content is a legitimate and good technique. If the source had several paragraphs discussing the relationship between MJ and MTV in the 1980s, you could try to paraphrase it. But since the source only mentions the issue once, I argue that it is misleading to claim that the source says MJ led MTV "out of obscurity" when the source has a different tone, of saying he put MTV "on the map." A subtle difference, perhaps, but an encyclopedia has to be reliable.Nazamo (talk) 14:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, here is the sentence from the ABCnews article: "They may fondly recall how Jackson moonwalked for the first time across the stage at Motown's 25th anniversary special in 1983 and put MTV on the map with pioneering videos such as "Thriller," "Billie Jean" and "Beat It."...................I argue that the editor is adding POV (point of view) by purporting that the article says MJ led MTV "out of obscurity." The article never states that MTV was in a position of obscurity. Instead, it states that MJ's pioneering videos "put MTV on the map."Nazamo (talk) 14:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to Melody Maker

This message was sent by someone named Sunderland06. The edit I made was NOT racially motivated: I said: "The Melody Maker was strongly supportive of the glam rock and progressive rock movements of the early 1970s. However, when punk came along around 1976, Melody Maker lagged behind rivals Sounds and NME in embracing the upheaval; of MM's staff, only Caroline Coon was strongly positive towards the new music." I could maybe see Sunderland06's point if we were talking about hip-hop or disco, but punk, glam rock and prog rock were all largely the work of white musicians. (In fact, I can only think of one prominent black early punk rocker, Poly Styrene of X-Ray Spex, although ska bands such as The English Beat and The Specials were integrated.) FWIW, the MM was also strongly supportive of the reggae movement of the 1970s, as well as the R&B of the time. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 00:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the edit, i am extremely sorry, i must have got the wrong guy, i'm sorry again.  Sunderland06  16:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Please adhere to WP:NPOV when editing, and use and edit summary to explain your changes. Thanks. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 06:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


Please stop. If you continue to violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by adding commentary and your personal analysis into articles, as you did to Criticism of Bill O'Reilly, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 06:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clarification

Sorry if the warning gave the wrong impression. Although I agree with your points personally, I have to recognize the importance of presenting information neutrally -- it's not up to me (or wikipedia) to decide if a group is "liberal" or if O'Reilly's responses should be characterized as "claims" instead of "statements", it is up to the reader to conclude (or not) based upon the evidence presented. Regarding the wording of the warning, it is a standard warning template for persistent disruptive behavior. I have no doubt that this was just a misunderstanding and you need not worry. If you would like some help incorporating stuff into the article that complies with our core policies and guidelines, I'd be glad to help. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 04:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] AfD procedure

Hi Timothy. I note that you did not place the appropriate AfD tag on Tony Rezko when you made your nomination. I understand that the procedures are complicated and I've certainly messed them up before. However it's important to follow the procedures at WP:AFD carefully, particularly for controversial articles like this one. Failing to follow procedure can be grounds for overturning an AfD decision so you might want to have a look for your next one. Cheers. Ronnotel (talk) 16:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alan Kulwicki

Please use a very reliable source to cite the facts that you added to the article. It is near FA nomination. Royalbroil 01:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed that he was the second reigning NASCAR champion to die. I believe that you're right, but I can't find it stated by a reliable source. Since I'm planning to submit the article to WP:FA very soon, it needs to have no unsourced claims. Feel free to add it back if you can find it from a reliable source. Forums are definitely not reliable (by the way). Royalbroil 15:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dale Earnhardt, Jr.

Hey, just wondering, with the biographical data (son/grandson/brother/sister/etc.) you added on Dale Jr. - was that a restoration of material somebody removed? (I'm not criticizing, I'm just wondering, as I would have thought that it had been in the article before.) Anyway, just a good job and kudos for either restoring it if somebody removed it (I would assume as vandalism), or adding it in if for some reason it inexplicably wasn't there to start with. --Umrguy42 (talk) 05:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)