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Contents 1 Prime Minister's Avenue 2 Assassination of Benazir Bhutto 3 SA divisions 4 DYK 5 Well thank you! 6 Image of a dubious medallion 7 Something you might find useful 8 Aussie PM 9 Easy 10 Australian PM infoboxes 11 Adelaide Wikimeetup 3 12 Triple Crown 13 You have no control over talk pages 14 Aust Barnstar 15 Laming 16 Hughes 17 Adelaide Wikimeetup 3 17.1 Revised 18 Lu Kewen 19 warning 20 Hillary Clinton/Third Way 21 Interesting user 22 Pollie Photos 23 Stolen generation misuse of word "Stolen" 24 Happy Valentine's Day! 25 Polling 26 Aussie PM infoboxes 27 BetaStupidBot 28 Kerry Nettle 29 WA media 30 Back-turning 31 Talk pages 32 The spluttering may cease ;) 33 Was? Is. 34 3RR... 35 Keating 36 Good Taste/Bad Taste? 37 An image of John Gorton 38 Reference to female dogs 39 Clarification - just in case... 40 Hi Hitler! 41 Wikimedia Australia incorporation meeting 42 New messages 43 Upg protection 44 1954 election 45 Australian Labor Party and the SI 46 Australian images 47 Tony Abbott

Prime Minister's Avenue

Thanks for all the help Timeshift, you've been doing some great work! WikiTownsvillian 04:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC) hey timeshift, this isnt to do with this topic but about a comment you made on Sir Alexander Downers page, asking when he was Premier of SA. He was never premier, but his father was round the time of federation Plumes (talk) 11:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Assassination of Benazir Bhutto

Hello Timeshift. I agree with the point you've made regarding the international response of Australia. See my comment on the talk page. Cheers. 86.31.35.135 (talk) 11:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

SA divisions

I'm just going by the parliamentary handbook, which has the 1951-54 change - it appears that the members I've changed left the federal Liberal Party for that period. Frickeg (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 3 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Prime Minister's Avenue, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 08:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Well thank you!

It's always good to know I have a fan. When I finally decide on what I want my signature to look like, I'll give you my autograph. Happy editing!!! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 01:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Image of a dubious medallion

Hi Timeshift. I ask you a question as you are good with image issues. In the White Australia policy article, there is an image of a medallion commemorating the policy. A dubious medallion it was, but part of Australia's history which is interesting to see. The image is now listed for deletion, because it does not contain a proper fair use rationale. It was originally added by User:Adam Carr, so who knows where he is now. I think the image is worth saving. Any ideas on how to retain it? Regards, Lester 00:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance with the image, Timeshift. Lester 01:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Something you might find useful

Hi Timeshift - I just discovered that the statistical record of the SA parliament has been put online and updated to the present parliament. This was the document that I used to create all the early SA parliaments, and until now was pretty damned hard to find. I figure this could come in handy for your election articles and such. Rebecca (talk) 22:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the SA parliament has been one of the worst for this sort of thing, so it's a refreshing change to see that they've put this up. If you actually have a copy of it, is there any chance you could email it to me? The parliament's servers are hopeless, and any download keeps cutting out at random points. Rebecca (talk) 23:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks heaps for that! I'm not sure what image you're referring to re: Betacommandbot. I know he's on a new crusade, but I've long since been trying to stay out of image issues - too much drama. Rebecca (talk) 23:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

There isn't a National Party in the NT at the moment, but there was in the 1980s. They got former Chief Minister Ian Tuxworth to lead them]], were very heavily backed by Joh Bjelke-Petersen, and ran a huge campaign in the 1987 election, but were comprehensively outwitted by the Hatton government and got crushed. Tuxworth held his seat, and they won another in a by-election, before losing them both in 1990 and dying out. Caused quite the stir, and really put the federal Nationals under pressure for a while there. I'm going to write an article about them soon - I've got a book about them out from the library, so that's why the link is there. Rebecca (talk) 03:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Aussie PM

"Hopefully Kevin Rudd will be on the end of the graph by the end of the year" - was it ever in doubt? :D
Well, I'm relieved that there was no last-minute Tampa or September 11 to work in Howard's favour - but Maxine McKew is now my number 1 hero :) Let's just hope Kev doesn't become a pale imitation of the right wing, much like Blair did after becoming UK PM. Brisvegas 09:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Easy

Perhaps someone else should take a look at what's in the e-book, and contrast it what you have "re-written". Michael ^talk 07:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you should get the opinion of another user, to see if they think it is plagiarism. That way, whatever you think of my word, you have theirs. Michael ^talk 07:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not trying to rain on your parade, I'm trying to offer you something to clean up the water. I notice things that need improving, and better I say so than keep quiet. Please ask another editor if they think the contribution is plagiarism. Action now will make it easier later on. Michael ^talk 07:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Australian PM infoboxes

My ambition to have those articles infoboxes in sync? seems doomed. Why is comformity such a crime to so many? Oh well, I tried. GoodDay (talk) 02:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not the first time, my ideas went down to defeat. Now, onto getting rid of de jure reigns. 'Til we meet again. GoodDay (talk) 02:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Adelaide Wikimeetup 3

Adelaide Meetup Next: TBA Last: 20 Apr 2008 This box: view • talk • edit

Hi Timeshift9 - we're planning a third meetup in Adelaide sometime in the coming weeks, and would love to have you there. If you can, please help decide a location, a date and a time here. Thanks! ~ Riana ⁂ 12:34, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks but no thanks. Timeshift (talk) 14:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Triple Crown

Your Aussie Majesty, thank you for superb contributions. May you (or the koala) wear the crowns well. Durova^Charge! 23:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!! Timeshift (talk) 23:22, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

You have no control over talk pages

Recently it seems like you think talk pages & articles are yours. I just saw you removed a comment from the talk page of Australian Federal Election, 2007. You have no right at all to do it. Guy0307 (talk) 01:40, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sure he can, see WP:TALK as the edit removed was nothing to do with the article, Wikipedia...or continuing any sane discussion whatsoever. Shot info (talk) 01:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The section Timeshift removed was a partisan rant which I'm not even absolutely sure the News Ltd moderators would have published in a "Have Your Say" section on their website, and utterly violated WP:BLP policies (which I might note is all but a mandate from Jimbo himself to shoot on sight). In case there is any doubt, I've placed the standard talk header on it. Orderinchaos 09:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify - I'm a labor supporter. I just don't think that if someone has a comment we should delete it, whatever it is. I don't know all of Wikipedia's policys, so I'm sorry if he should've deleted the section according to them. Guy0307 (talk) 09:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Aust Barnstar

		The Australian Barnstar of National Merit
		for your efforts with Australian articles Gnangarra 00:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Another one! I'm being inundated! Thanks!! Timeshift (talk) 00:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Laming

Looked into it - sources were actually really good, although some tone and writing issues existed. With Factiva and the listed sources by my side, I rewrote the section. IMO the whole thing was a factional stitch-up but as the old saying says, there is some truth in every tale - and given this is the only way by which most Australians know Laming, to not cover the incident is a violation of expectation, and to not cover it carefully (which requires more length) is a violation of fairness. Thanks for making me aware of it (I've been busily writing political biographies of obscure 1890s WA politicians of late, so it was a nice break to look at something modern!) Orderinchaos 09:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Re the archiving of Talk:Andrew Laming - I agree with you regarding the issue under discussion, and I also think it has been exhaustively canvassed and isn't likely to go much further. But I think its a bit soon to archive the debate, given it only started a week ago and the most recent comments were yesterday. If there are future reversions of the printing controversy I think it helps to have the talk page consensus in easy view to rebut it.

I haven't reverted the archiving as I wanted to get your views first. So, any views? Euryalus (talk) 19:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay. I don't agree with you but its not a big deal either way so let's leave it as is. What are these certain recent events? Now you've got mee interested :) Euryalus (talk) 21:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hughes

He's a notable minor political figure, especially for his time with the People Power Party and propensity for getting involved in political drama. He's pretty well known, and it isn't as if there'd be the slightest difficulty in finding reliable sources for the article. Rebecca (talk) 06:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Adelaide Wikimeetup 3

Adelaide Meetup Next: TBA Last: 20 Apr 2008 This box: view • talk • edit

Hi Timeshift9 - after some planning we've decided to hold the third Adelaide Wikimeetup on Sunday, 17th February, 2008. The meeting will be held at Billy Baxter's in Rundle Mall at 11:30AM. Further details and directions are available on the meetup page. Please RSVP here by 20:00UTC on 15th February 2008 (that's 6AM Saturday for our time zone) so that we can inform the restaurant about numbers. Hope to see you there!

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On behalf of Riana ⁂, 11:31, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Revised

Hi Timeshift9 - since Sunday is inconvenient for many people due to church, we are rescheduling for Saturday. I hope this will enable you to attend! Best, ~ Riana ⁂ 11:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Lu Kewen

I've reverted your removal of the Chinese characters for Kevin Rudd's self-selected Chinese name. Does your browser normally display Chinese, Japanese and/or Korean characters, or do they normally come up as question marks or boxes or something? I think that's probably what's going on here, since my browser shows the characters perfectly. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:37, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

warning

I wasn't getting anyone to revert on my behalf. I simply didn't want to break the rule even though the revert needs to be done, and so I simply asked someone else if they can revert it. It's still up to them. And if you looked into it, you would know that the revision is need because the other version is simply to start an edit war and is more like vandalism by an very disruptive user.--THUGCHILDz 22:14, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

No I didn't, I'm not getting them to revert it for me. They can revert it IF THEY want to or not if THEY don't want and not on my behalf but on their own behalf.--THUGCHILDz 22:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually I probably wouldn't be charged with 3rr because of the terms involved with it, read up on that. I actually wanted to avoid the hassle that might come up. And second if someone reverted it then it would do me a favor and everyone else a favor who came to a consensus but PIO.--THUGCHILDz 22:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

yeah whatever dude, these is the kind of hassle i was trying to avoid.--THUGCHILDz 00:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

THUGCHILDz, but you really think cricket popular very much so as rugby union in New Zealand and Wales? But you are a vandal or maybe payed by international cricket federation? Your edit war in national sport is surrealistic!!!!--PIO (talk) 12:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't take this up on my talk page. I care none about the issue itself. Timeshift (talk) 12:06, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Timeshift9, I agree with you and your messages in THUGCHILDz's talk!!!!--PIO (talk) 12:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course. I took issue with Thug. You'd hardly not agree with me, would you. What I dont want is you to bring your issues re sport and countries on to my talk page. Thanks. Timeshift (talk) 12:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Timeshift, I don't think you got what I was trying to say. The reason I asked someone else if they would do it, doesn't matter on whose behalf, is because I didn't want to go through a hassle like this and explain my self why i was in this edit war etc. I didn't want to be in one. Now I know on the technical level yeah I was wrong but if you actually knew what was going on may be you would have a different prospective. Anyways it's all good.--THUGCHILDz 05:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I was wrong. Settled. Timeshift (talk) 05:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton/Third Way

I think the evidence of her husband's presidency would suggest that she supports the same sorts of policies, whereas we know nothing of evidence of this Barack Obama. Frankly, though, I think both should be removed. Safesler 05:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Interesting user

GaryGazza (talk · contribs) Someone's busy sending out lots of messages. Lester 11:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes I'm already well aware of him messaging all and sundry. He has made all sorts of wild accusations against me and admins. He can't spell Labor though so already his impression of any expertise has been severely damaged. He admits that Roxon simply has a Jewish father rather than practising the Jewish faith herself, but seems to think that still equates to her religion. I've been accused of conspiring with admins, being anti-semitic, and other crap here. Frankly, i'm prepared to let the discussion speak for itself rather than going on any sort of counter-crusade myself. Timeshift (talk) 11:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Pollie Photos

FYI - I have put up images of Julie Owens and Pricey (and Hawkie). Not ministers I am afraid but we get ALP duds here in the safe western Sydney seats. Albatross2147 (talk) 12:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes I had already noticed them. Very good work, thanks! I'd love it if we had photos of all 150 lower house and all 76 upper house MPs. Don't be discouraged just because they aren't ministers! Price is the whip for the govt though, bit more importance than your average MP. Seen a bit of him on the lower house webcast today and tonight. Timeshift (talk) 12:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Stolen generation misuse of word "Stolen"

Thankyou for your message. I am not ceasing my point of argument regarding the misuse of the word "stolen". The fact I have pointed out remains. I am merely ceasing to repeat that fact since the numerous ways in which I have explained the fact to you does not seem to sink in. Also please refrain from speaking about animal abuse on my talk page "beating a dead horse". OzWoden (talk) 00:04, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for ceasing your pointless crusade regarding the validity of the word 'stolen' which is a far more broader debate than wikipedia. Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names) and this, metaphorically speaking you were beating a dead horse. Timeshift (talk) 23:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's Day!

A short/sweet little message, which I hope has made your day better! Happy Valentine's Day!!! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Polling

62.5 2pp, 54 primary. Orderinchaos 03:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Pffft morgan... :P Timeshift (talk) 03:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Aussie PM infoboxes

I'm signing out for awhile, but I'll be back later. GoodDay (talk) 00:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the gesture, but I seriously doubt you'll get consensus from everyone on what to keep in there... Timeshift (talk) 00:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Time will tell. GoodDay (talk) 15:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

BetaStupidBot

What should we do? Slac speak up! 03:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Kerry Nettle

Her position on the spectrum seems to be at the socialist position not the liberal position - she seems to think we can turn the clock back to 1973 when old style leftism were still viable and the government owned a great many things. PMA (talk) 12:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a vast difference between generic liberalism and social liberalism. Timeshift (talk) 12:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't mean for all this fuss - i just have had problems with people trying to whitewash just how to the left Nettle is - even Rebecca agreed with me on the talk page. My apologies. PMA (talk) 12:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

WA media

I was saying to someone earlier today (re your comment about a media beat-up) that I think if you read the two main WA weekend papers today, you'd actually manage to know less about what's going on than you did before reading them. Orderinchaos 14:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Back-turning

It could definately be argued that it was controversial that backs were turned in the great hall of parliament (given the place), especially by the two labor members of staff. However, you're gonna have to prove that it was in any way "controversial" for those outside to turn their backs given such a large proportion of Australians did so across the country.

The picture in question is of people turning their backs not in parliament (and i am amazed and applaud the fact that not even the indigenous guests inside parliament did so, they kept their calm), nor in the great hall (where it did happen), but outside by everyday Australians. On the other hand, what is uncontested as contraversial is the speech that was made by Nelson.

That it was so widespread across Australia makes me wonder where you are getting this idea that for the most part, Australians saw it as a controversy. Most people would tell you it was the descent reaction to a controversial speech. Al-Andalus (talk) 05:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages

I think we're talking at cross-purposes at GaryGazza. I agree that he can delete or archive comments on his own talk page, although the latter is preferred. What he can't do, however, is something in the middle - ie. blank part of your message (bar the signature) claiming a racist comment when, in fact, the comment wasn't racist. That's refactoring, and that's a no-no, in my book.

Ironically enough, if he'd simply deleted your comment, or archived it, I wouldn' have had a problem. The net effect, however, was to accuse you of racism (to the casual observer) when such an accusation wasn't justified. Regards. _GB^T/C 14:16, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Correct. Either way he's been blocked for the third time. Timeshift (talk) 14:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

The spluttering may cease ;)

No, that is not me. What was in it to elicit such a reaction from you? I just see the random non-controversial ramblings of some man. My username "Brisvegas" is a rather popular, if cliched nickname for the fair (ish) city that straddles beside Moreton Bay. So heaps of people use it, not just me. Another name, though even more likely to make Brisbanites groan with disgust is "Brisneyland".

Regarding Northern Rock, I guess it just shows the pragmatism that is a feature of modern politics; in most countries over time, the major parties move so close to each other's policies that they sometimes become indistinguishable. But don't forget I was talking about the right-wing nature of Tony Blair, a.k.a. "The Greatest Tory Ever Sold". Cheers :) Brisvegas 09:03, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Was? Is.

Thanks. Wm (talk) 01:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

3RR...

As for the article, the pics look really bad on lower res monitors. I hope you can find solution. Perhaps cropping? --Merbabu (talk) 03:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Keating

Believe it or not, there may actually be some truth to that rumour about Keating. However, there would be no reference for it, so it was right to delete it.Lester 10:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't disputing that, simply the wording. Timeshift (talk) 12:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I heard a few of them around about 1997 when I knew people who worked in various departments in Canberra, but although their sources were of a reliable enough disposition to convince me, they wouldn't qualify under WP:RS :P Orderinchaos 23:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Mention of "sources" demands a comment. For all anyone knows Keating may be gay, but if so, there is no published evidence of it. I believe this started when he was seen having lunch in a restaurant with a "handsome young man", around the time he separated from Annita. The gay rumour mill went into meltdown. (Within the gay community: "Everyone is saying it, so it must be true" (yeah, right). Straight people: "All my gay friends are saying it, and they would know" (yeah, right). The handsome young man turned out to be his son. The gay rumour mill is usually the very worst place to find factual information about such matters. The Canberra rumour mill is, paradoxical as it might seem, even worse. Put them together and there's no telling what you could hear from "reliable sources" that sound quite plausible. Some even go so far as to say that John Howard was the best PM we ever had. Trust nobody. -- JackofOz (talk) 00:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Good Taste/Bad Taste?

"Brendan 07" t-shirts? Duggy 1138 (talk) 02:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I find this quite amusing too. It makes John Howard's "why does this man even bother" 18% look credible. Timeshift (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

He was always going to be the sacrifical lamb, but did he have to be so good at it? Duggy 1138 (talk) 02:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Their problem is that Turnbull is too moderate for the modern day Liberals, and Tony Abbott has only core support. A party can't control the way their MPs vote, they genuinely selected Nelson to lead as he was the most suitable conservative. At 14-11-9-7 percent, and x-42-43-37 two party, it shows what a mess Howard left the party in. Now the only question remains is whether they trash Howard the way they trashed Fraser. Such disunity... Timeshift (talk) 02:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Disunity. The curse of opposition. Duggy 1138 (talk) 02:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

PabloZ (talk) 04:40, 6 March 2008 (UTC)== Photos ==

Yep, sure is. I have a high-quality group shot of Greens Senators that I have been chopping up. PabloZ (talk) 04:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

updated.

An image of John Gorton

Hello there, Timeshift. You seem well-versed in Australian copyright law, and I'm just wondering on the status of this image of former-PM John Gorton: (http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/PhotoSearchItemDetail.asp?M=0&B=11196652&SE=1). The description states that the image's reproduction rights are owned by the National Archives of Australia, but the photo was taken in 1954. Am I wrong in presuming that any Australian photograph taken prior to 1955 falls into the public domain?
Thanks for the help. Ackatsis (talk) 09:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Ackatsis (talk) 09:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Reference to female dogs

Hi. I agree with you re the bulk of your recent post on Betacommand's talk page, but the first line is pretty unnecessary. Could I ask that you consider removing that first sentence with the reference to female dogs, in the interests of reducing any tension in this debate? Euryalus (talk) 22:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Clarification - just in case...

Hi Timeshift, regarding this, it merely shows that I was tiring of discussing the specific Influenza article - it doesn't mean that you are not welcome to drop me a line anytime, including about pixel counts. We disagree - to some extent - on the image/pixel issue, but that doesn't mean I want to burn any bridges. PS, pity you don't have e-mail activated. regards --Merbabu (talk) 06:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Hitler!

Did you know that you are responsible for removing content which is true, in aid to cover up the fact you profit from the removal of rights from another citizen. There are images to cite the illegal road side advertisment you support by removal of comments! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.227.87 (talk) 07:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Top of the talk page (and all talk pages) - This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Kevin Rudd article. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject. Timeshift (talk) 07:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Australia incorporation meeting

Hi there Timeshift9! As you may know, the Wikimedia Foundation has recently approved Wikimedia Australia as an official chapter. In order to acknowledge this, and to appoint an interim committee, approve our statement of purpose and our rules, and appoint a Public Officer, Wikimedia Australia will be having a meeting at Computerbank in Melbourne. For those of us who are located in other cities, we shall be holding conference calls to the main meeting. The meeting will be held at 2:30PM on Sunday, 20th April 2008, Adelaide time. In order for us to organise this meeting, we need your help! Please drop by at our meta subpage with suggestions as to venues, conference calling services, etc. It will be at 2:30 so we can meet up for lunch beforehand if anyone's open for that! Hoping to see you there! ~ Riana ⁂ 01:54, 20 March 2008 (UTC) You are receiving this message because you are an active Wikimedian in Adelaide and are on this list. If you think I've missed anyone out, please feel free to copy-paste this and send it to them too!

New messages

You have new messages on my talk page. Grantkeys (talk) 06:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

You are blocked :-) Timeshift (talk) 07:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Upg protection

Enjoy the peace and quiet for a few days.

Gnangarra 13:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Gnan, I don't mind either way really. Userpage vandalism is amusing ;-) Timeshift (talk) 13:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

at what 6-7 times in 3 hours, it was getting bit tedious rather than really amusing Gnangarra 14:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

done or was that undone... Gnangarra 02:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

1954 election

I don't understand why you undid my comment about Labor not winning government despite polling more than 50%. Even if they didn't stand candidates in 6 seats, I don't see how that affects my point.Wikischolar1983 (talk) 08:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

In the technical sense of the wording used, the comment I suppose would be correct. I have undone my revision with a slight difference, indicating the reason for >50% 2pp despite losing the election. Timeshift (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the revision. I guess the point I was trying to make was the uneven nature of swings in Australian elections, where winning more than 50% of the vote is no guarantee of winning government. The six uncontested seats however would no doubt have affected the proportion of votes/size of swing.Wikischolar1983 (talk) 01:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm all aware about it, see two party preferred and the polling graphs at Australian federal election, 2007. Exceptions since 2PP was introduced in 1949 were in 1954 (49.3), 1961 (49.5), 1969 (49.8), 1990 (49.90), and 1998 (49.02). 1940 was estimated to be won on 49.7 percent. 1998 is the real shame that the electoral system let Australia down, as it's the one with the largest discrepancy, when all seats were challenged by both sides of politics. Timeshift (talk) 01:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Australian Labor Party and the SI

You mentioned here that there is community consensus to not add the SI to the infobox. I'm afraid I can't seem to find any discussion about the SI in the talk page archives, so, if you'd be so kind, please point me to it. Honestly, I find this quite unusual; it's standard practice to add such relevant information to infoboxes. Regards, Agüeybaná 00:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure where it took place now. There are no affiliations in any of the Australian party infoboxes as we don't find them relevant enough to be in the infobox. Timeshift (talk) 01:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

You keep claiming that you have consensus to back up your actions. And yet, I can't seem to find any such discussion in any of the talk pages of the major Australian political parties. International affiliations are important and relevant information (that's why the Infobox parameter was created!) and should be in the Infobox, as is standard practice (examples: United States Republican Party, Puerto Rican Independence Party, Canadian Conservative Party). If you can't provide any links, I'm taking this to the talk page to get some real consensus. --Agüeybaná 13:46, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_politics#International_affiliations. Its always fun getting overseasers dictating what we should be doing. Timeshift (talk) 16:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! --Agüeybaná 17:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Australian images

Hello there, I've noticed that you uploaded many pictures from the Australian national archives. I found an excellent picture of Clement Attlee Here. But I don't fully understand the Australian copyright etc. I assume that as this image is more than fifty years old it is out of copyright and therefore ok to use without special permission. Just wondered if you could help? G-Man ^? 20:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Where do I find out? G-Man ^? 18:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Tony Abbott

Do not understand why my contribution on Tony Abbott was removed. It was very relevant about the man himself the fact that he was the Liberal leadership candidate who had previous experience in Opposition and yet did not get the top job at the end.--The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 12:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

See bottom dotpoint of new template addition at very top of Talk:Tony_Abbott. It was a reflection on the subject, not the article. Timeshift (talk) 13:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)