User talk:Timelinefrog

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Hello, Timelinefrog, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Just one thing: you do know about the CELT site? If you're after Irish annals, they have a full set (almost). Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I echo Angus' welcome! Anyone who can help with medieval articles is a sight for sore eyes! I'll be sure to turn to you when I have questions about Irish history, as I'm not totally clueless, but pretty close. How late in history are you planning on ranging? I've got a few Anglo-Norman and Angevin bishops that had something to do with Ireland, but I don't have the sources to do them justice. Would love to pass them off to someone more qualified! Ealdgyth | Talk 03:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Demman mac Cairill

It looks good to me! The only thing that was missing was categories, so that the article is grouped with other similar ones. I've added them. The main one to add is [[Category:Irish kings]], the rest (like the year of death ones) aren't very important. My Irish history is rubbish, it all comes from books, none of which I've read all the way through. I take it this was Fiachnae mac Demmain's father? I've been meaning to write an article about him for ages and never got round to it.

Yes, there are lots of missing Irish kings, and on clerics too, if you compare Ireland with Anglo-Saxon England or Scotland where we have articles on nearly every king and bishop. Quite a lot of the ones we have aren't so very good either. We have hardly any Ulaid kings really, or the Laigin, or Munster... Well, basically the world's your oyster when it comes to writing about early Irish history. If you have any questions, User:Fergananim knows a lot more than me. For technical wikipedia questions, you can ask me, or try the Wikipedia:Help desk if I'm not around.

Any other questions, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names

If you look at the top of the page, either now or, if not, 5 days after you created your account, a move tab will be there, next to the watch one. To rename an article, just use move to move it to the new name. See Help:Moving pages for more detail Most (and maybe even all) of the names of articles on kings are the ones Frank Byrne. He has (combining bits, only Fiachnae is in the index): Demmán mac Cairill, Máel Coba mac Fiachnai, Congal Cennfota (but Congal Cendfota in the genealogies), Fiachnae mac Demmáin, Blathmac mac Máele Coba. Anything other than plan ASCII confuses Wikipedia's searching, so we usually have ASCII redirects, so that Demman mac Cairill points to Demmán mac Cairill and we can also have them for variant names, like Fiachna mac Demmáin for Fiachnae mac Demmáin. Does this make sense? Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Walthari

Procopius says he died of disease. Perhaps the story about Audoin is a scholarly interpolation? If so, I don't know from whom. Srnec (talk) 06:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wo-hoo!

Yeah, would love to! Send me anything else you want! Fergananim —Preceding comment was added at 16:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

P.S. You might find it useful to add a succession list to each article, as well as as many categories (Medieval Gaels, Irish bio stubs, Deaths of whatever year, century, people from county so n so, and so on). Also, links to any other persons/places/events listed within the article. Other than that, way to go! Conscice and to the point. Looking forward to hearing more. Fergananim. —Preceding comment was added at 17:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Echu Tirmcharna

I'm sorry, I guess I used the wrong template. I need to look for a template for grammatical corrections. Sorry for the inconvenience! I am still new to the deletion process and everything not related to user spaces and article editing. Sorry! — Cuyler91093 - Соитяівцтіоиѕ 08:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dál Messin Corb

Hello! Hope you are well. Glad to see you're keeping busy. I was wondering if you had any plans to write about the Dál Messin Corb? Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Good luck with finding an apartment. I find all these early peoples very confusing, so I'd probably make a proper pig's ear of the subject. I think I should leave them for somebody else! Anyway, I've had enough trouble with writing something about High Kings that I've never got much further. But there are only five left now I think, and only there's only Áed Sláine that I could write very much about. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope your search for an apartment is going well. Just wanted to say that normally if an article is in a category, like Category:Kings of Leinster, it doesn't get added to the parent categories, so it wouldn't be added to Category:Irish kings or whatever. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:26, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Me again. Any chance you could have a look at Lóegaire mac Néill to make sure it all makes sense? I haven't finished yet, still need to add whatever it is that the Tripartite Life says and something on the Cenél Lóegairi, but I think it is pretty far on. The link to Dan Wiley's site might be interesting for Áed mac Colggen. Thanks a million! Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:14, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help and for the kind words. Everything I've learned about writing and researching articles I've learned (or stolen) from other people, mostly from the Deacon of Pndapetzim. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The easiest way to create a new category is to add it to an article. It will show up as a red link at the bottom. Open that and add the parent categories it should belong to (Category:Irish kings does for most, but maybe you'll want to add Category:Ulster or whatever) and then save. If you want, you can add Template:Catmore as well, that adds a The main article for this... thing to the page. There are various alternatives to that listed on the template page, or you can even just add a message by typing it in the category page. Hope this makes sense! Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:28, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

And me again: do you know anything about Flaithbertach mac Inmainén? I'm not even sure that's the right orthography. It's what Frank Byrne has, but Edel Bhreathnach has "Flaithbertach mac Inmainéin". I suppose I can always make a redirect! I keep meaning to link battles to the modern location, but either I can't find it, or like Belach Mugna, there's no article. A pain in the neck! Hope you're well. Easter weekend here looks like it will be snow and hail and sleet. Lovely! Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:35, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fame and fortune await!

Well, perhaps not fortune. But fame is not too hard. Nor is getting more people to read your articles.

Take Congalach mac Conaing Cuirre. If you added an inline reference for Congalach murdering Fínsnechta in his tent, or in battle, this is the sort of factoid that would fit well in Wikipedia:Did you know?, which appears on the front page. All you need to do is make sure the article isn't a stub (and frankly, Congalach is not a stub) and write a hook. Something like Did you know "...that Congalach mac Conaing Cuirre murdered the High King of Ireland Fínsnechta Fledach (where?)... (when?)..." or, if you prefer the AT version ".... that Congalach mac Conaing Cuirre defeated and killed the High King of Ireland (blah) at (where is Grellaigh Dollaith?)....". Have a look at this page and you'll have an idea of what's what.

You can make the references look more stylish, if not any more readable, by using the {{citation}} template. Call me lazy, but what I do is cut and paste them. Between Diarmait mac Cerbaill and Cerball mac Dúnlainge, you should be able to just cut and paste anything you might need apart from Dan MacCarthy's stuff and it should be easy enough to do. Just make up a references and notes bit in your sandbox and paste everything in, removing the ones you don't need.

Does this make sense? It seems a pity that all your hard work isn't been seen by as many people as possible. If it's hard to get a featured article on the front page, it's easy enough to get them into the Did you know bit. Give it a whirl. If you have any problems, give me a shout. All the best, Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I nominated Írgalach. Hope this is ok! Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 25 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Conall Guthbinn, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Daniel Case (talk) 04:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query On 28 March 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Írgalach mac Conaing, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 13:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That and the other

I found a template called {{quote box}} which is quite neat. Sticks quotations in a box at the right or left hand side of the page, handy for quoting obits or those little poems you get in the annals. You can see it at Donnchad Midi. I hope Inis na Ríg rhymes with sea! Beats all the HTML markup needed usually, but if you fancy that instead, there is some in Giric; the Prophecy of Berchán, my favourite (not). I told you getting stuff on the front page was easy, and so it was. I left a note about the dates for Áed Sláine on the talk page. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:26, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Irwin does say Fogartach and Conall Grant were brothers in the article on Fogartach. That's surely wrong though as you said. I didn't think I'd put that in any article but I see it sneaked into Domnall Midi. I've changed that now to match the others. Well spotted! Thank you! Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] d. or Died?

Hi TimeFrog - I notice you are changing this....is there a Wiki standard? I'm indifferent to which format we use but we should all be doing the same thing; I've made dozens of edits that leave (d 1999) as the text; should that be (died 1999)? If there isn't an agreed Wiki-style I'd be surprised but if not maybe yerself, meself and himself (Angus) should synchronise our style? See 1700 in Ireland - I copied the style from User:Ardfern.Sarah777 (talk) 17:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Well, I agree with you, no point in linking people unless you have some idea of writing an article. Yes, in principal red links are good - every article should have some! - but not too many. Cheers! Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nice Edits

Nice edits on Fergus mac ÁedáinElizabeth BY (talk) 05:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)