User talk:Tim/email substitute
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To: Conrad Dunkerson Brion Viber and by wikipedia email: Tim Starling Ligulem
Hi!
I managed to clear this up, so it's no longer hot, but you all might want to find out what was really happening.
The following diff, of an inactive user, is showing up with a user page including the several Interwikitmp-grp pages. I confirmed there is no mention of such a link on his user page, as this long span diff shows. He went inactive, a good month or two before I ever originated the original files. There is another page that indicates he's linked, but is not showing, which when checking links is how I twigged to this situation.
This page is also indicated as linked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_limits, which is CBD's / Ligulem's rationale for their 'doc page pattern' ==(transcluded ) below. It too is showing these section headings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMrendo&diff=20091471&oldid=18375435
Swipes from his page in HTML:
This Interwikitmp-grp (family of) templates documentation is transcluded from Template:Interwikitmp-grp/doc [edit].
This template documentation is transcluded from Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also [edit].
Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group (List of links)
← Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group
The following pages link to Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group
View (previous 50) (next 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500). User:Mrendo User:Mrendo/Protected Area Table IUCN Title Template:X0 Wikipedia:Template limits ... and other normal and expected pages. Here's the full list... I've a suspicion I'll share in a moment, I've done some commenting out and page wipes to see if the list changes when I refresh: User:Mrendo User:Mrendo/Protected Area Table IUCN Title Template:X0 Wikipedia:Template limits Template:Interwikitmp-grp Template:Tt0 Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also Template:Interwikitmp-grp usage Template talk:Interwikitmp-grp Template talk:Tt Template:Interwikitmp-grp2 Template:Interwikitmp-grp/doc Template:Interwikitmp-grp1 Template:Interwikitmp-grp6 Template:Interwikitmp-grpNN usage Template:Interwikitmp-grp0 Template:Interwikitmp-grpD Template talk:Interwikitmp-grp1
Yep -- New list in it's entirety: Template:Interwikitmp-grp Template:Interwikitmp-grp usage Template:Interwikitmp-grp0
05:41, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also (Comment out Interwikitmp-grp edit group) (top) 05:37, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template talk:Tt (comment out line getting expanded by Tt) (top) 05:33, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) m Template:X0 (restore to previous --
:This Interwikitmp-grp (family of) templates documentation is transcluded from w:Template:Interwikitmp-grp/doc [edit local page].
[edit] General usage
- This is usage for the nine+ 'interwiki template linking' and the various (8) interwikitmp-grpX 'auto-categorization' and template tagging and linking utilities.
- Each individual sister template ends with the suffix 'tmp' and start with the menemonic name of the sister, sometimes in abbreviated or CamelCase text form. (e.g. WikiPtmp, WikiNews, WikiSpecies are all CamelBack, whilst WikiPtmp is also an abbreviation.
- Each of the interwikitmp-grpX templates differ mainly in the categorization they perform and slight differences in usage text they present (interwikitmp-grpD, where 'D' is for documentation).
- Each number suffixed version differs in the mix of categories which they autotag for uniform categorization across the English language sister projects. This aids people by having common tools in common places that perform the same common way.
- Foreign language adaptations of this system are encouraged, but beyond the scope of this project. Copy the pages, and translate the usage, and you should be in good shape.
[edit] Which Interwikitmp-grp is what
- This template documentation is transcluded from Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also [edit].
TABLE I — Iterwikitmp-grp## applications guide |
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Interwikitmp-grp Page Suffix ##'s Designations versus key associated autocategorizations |
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Associated Autocategories: |
— Common template that does the display for most of the other templates below, AND the one to use to tag vanilla utilities with when in doubt.|
Category:Interwiki utility templates pipesorted by '!' (exclamation point). [depreciated method]
Associated Autocategory: |
— This template is used to tag all the other templates that make up this interconnection system—those used to tag templates with interwiki scope. These are currently also tagged under |
as their primary service function. Associated Autocategories: , and Category:Interwiki utility templates. (These templates for example.) |
— Use to tag generic and special purpose templates that link externally|
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— Utility templates which create internal links used for analysis, discussion and tracking other system elements (Categories, Templates, User pages, et al.) by service function on the local (some are inter-sister) project site. (Lts, TL, Tlx, Cl, Cc, Lcs, CAT, etc.)
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Associated Autocategories: |
— Utility templates that do other tasks besides linking. Some of these are typing or display aids for use within tables, etc.|
Associated Autocategories: Additive by Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes per above key groups. Category:Interwiki link templates and Category:Miscellaneous templates Takes a parameter 'cat=alternate name' to override default 'Miscellaneous' with whatever is passed. (normally a sub-category of Miscellaneous. A blank parameter 'cat=|' inhibits that category altogether.) |
— Combined '-1' and '-3' tagging of Miscellaneous class utility templates that also link externally.|
for tagging of 'Miscellaneous class' utility templates that also link internally.
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— Combined '-2' and '-3' Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes,|
the commons, Wikipedia, or Metawiki back-linked articles fit this group.
Category:Interwiki link templates + Interwiki link templates + Category:Miscellaneous templates
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— Combined '-1' + '-2' + '-3' Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes, however rare in that possess linking both locally and interwiki; usually various category tagging templates (a series) with |
Interwikitmp-grp7 (provisional—not used) Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated. |
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Interwikitmp-grp8 (provisional—not used) Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated. |
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Interwikitmp-grp9 (provisional—not used) Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated. |
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Interwikitmp-grp10 (provisional—not used) Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated. |
[edit] Exceptions table (Revised concept)
TABLE II - Exceptions handling... When a name is already used differently in a local sister project | |||||||||
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Tag with {{Interwikitmp-grp exception}}— denotes and tags a This name in use conflict Exception— Thus this name is not available on all sister's for the same function as used for something else on another sister project.
Procedure:
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On the flip-side:
Associated Autocategory:
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05:29, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template:Tt0 (Wiped file... was that mess causing a database corruption?) (top) 05:01, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) m Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group (--Template:This sister prefix) (top) 04:39, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template:Interwikitmp-grp (Attemped merge from commons and bottom here) (top)
Status: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_limits is again normal.
So the top four edits hold the mystery... But notice the notation on Tt0 and Tt (talk). Tt was expanding Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also in that talk page, at see also's" bottom, when the below process failed (see 1-2 para's down) in a reasonable amount of time, I had placed just a plain link to Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group which is the page that was blowing up when expanded. I'm suspecting that was somehow over running and causing problems via my /doc page, which included 'see also'.
Yesterday, it happens I tried to clean that (edit group) page up, and subst part of the page. That took place in XO, and the subst'd code looked fine, and the links were okay as well. When that 'half page' of links was put back into 'edit group', the subst'd code turned into screwed up mush--that was put into Tt0 for you to look over. I'd started drafting you an email on that yesterday, but decided it could wait.
In sum, there is a mechanism here where that blow up stuff was carrying over somehow into those other two pages. Could just be an accidental formation of a template call to tt. But it's talk page was where the test code involving 'edit group' had a tt call expanding 'see also'... which seems to have sucked in 'edit group', though the debug links didn't show up on pages where it was used.
At the least, something in software is not healty and robust.
You guys have fun with it! Ah... XO's history gets wiped I think, so I'll retrieve those contents 'in case' and place them in Template:Tt1.
Tried with XO, the expansion is gone already. But XO in the edit above had InterwikitmpD, not the expanded code tonight. That you can replicate if need be. The expanded mess, after cutting the subst'd code back into 'edit group' will be in the history of 'Tt0'.
Best regards,
Frank Bartus Fabartus --at-- comcast dot net