User talk:Tim/email substitute

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To: Conrad Dunkerson Brion Viber and by wikipedia email: Tim Starling Ligulem

Hi!

I managed to clear this up, so it's no longer hot, but you all might want to find out what was really happening.

The following diff, of an inactive user, is showing up with a user page including the several Interwikitmp-grp pages. I confirmed there is no mention of such a link on his user page, as this long span diff shows. He went inactive, a good month or two before I ever originated the original files. There is another page that indicates he's linked, but is not showing, which when checking links is how I twigged to this situation.

This page is also indicated as linked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_limits, which is CBD's / Ligulem's rationale for their 'doc page pattern' ==(transcluded ) below. It too is showing these section headings.




http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AMrendo&diff=20091471&oldid=18375435

Swipes from his page in HTML:

This Interwikitmp-grp (family of) templates documentation is transcluded from Template:Interwikitmp-grp/doc [edit].

This template documentation is transcluded from Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also [edit].



Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group (List of links)

← Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group

The following pages link to Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group



View (previous 50) (next 50) (20 | 50 | 100 | 250 | 500). User:Mrendo User:Mrendo/Protected Area Table IUCN Title Template:X0 Wikipedia:Template limits ... and other normal and expected pages. Here's the full list... I've a suspicion I'll share in a moment, I've done some commenting out and page wipes to see if the list changes when I refresh: User:Mrendo User:Mrendo/Protected Area Table IUCN Title Template:X0 Wikipedia:Template limits Template:Interwikitmp-grp Template:Tt0 Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also Template:Interwikitmp-grp usage Template talk:Interwikitmp-grp Template talk:Tt Template:Interwikitmp-grp2 Template:Interwikitmp-grp/doc Template:Interwikitmp-grp1 Template:Interwikitmp-grp6 Template:Interwikitmp-grpNN usage Template:Interwikitmp-grp0 Template:Interwikitmp-grpD Template talk:Interwikitmp-grp1

Yep -- New list in it's entirety: Template:Interwikitmp-grp Template:Interwikitmp-grp usage Template:Interwikitmp-grp0

05:41, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also (Comment out Interwikitmp-grp edit group) (top) 05:37, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template talk:Tt (comment out line getting expanded by Tt) (top) 05:33, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) m Template:X0 (restore to previous -- 

:This Interwikitmp-grp (family of) templates documentation is transcluded from w:Template:Interwikitmp-grp/doc [edit local page].

[edit] General usage

This is usage for the nine+ 'interwiki template linking' and the various (8) interwikitmp-grpX 'auto-categorization' and template tagging and linking utilities.
  1. Each individual sister template ends with the suffix 'tmp' and start with the menemonic name of the sister, sometimes in abbreviated or CamelCase text form. (e.g. WikiPtmp, WikiNews, WikiSpecies are all CamelBack, whilst WikiPtmp is also an abbreviation.
  2. Each of the interwikitmp-grpX templates differ mainly in the categorization they perform and slight differences in usage text they present (interwikitmp-grpD, where 'D' is for documentation).
  3. Each number suffixed version differs in the mix of categories which they autotag for uniform categorization across the English language sister projects. This aids people by having common tools in common places that perform the same common way.
  4. Foreign language adaptations of this system are encouraged, but beyond the scope of this project. Copy the pages, and translate the usage, and you should be in good shape.


[edit] Which Interwikitmp-grp is what

This template documentation is transcluded from Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also [edit].
TABLE I — Iterwikitmp-grp## applications guide

Interwikitmp-grp Page Suffix ##'s Designations versus key associated autocategorizations


Template:Interwikitmp-grp (edit talk links history) — Common template that does the display for most of the other templates below, AND the one to use to tag vanilla utilities with when in doubt.

Associated Autocategories:
   Category:Interwiki utility templates (edit talk links history)
.


Template:Interwikitmp-grp0 (edit talk links history) — This template is used to tag all the other templates that make up this interconnection system—those used to tag templates with interwiki scope. These are currently also tagged under Category:Interwiki utility templates pipesorted by '!' (exclamation point). [depreciated method]
  • note: The various individual template tagging templates Metatmp, commontmp, ..., Wikiversitytmp also autocategorize in this manner.

Associated Autocategory:
   Category:Interwiki template-links-tagging templates.


Template:Interwikitmp-grp1 (edit talk links history) — Use to tag generic and special purpose templates that link externally
      as their primary service function.
Associated Autocategories:
   Category:Interwiki link templates (edit talk links history), Category:Interwiki templates on all sisterprojects (edit talk links history) and Category:Interwiki utility templates. (These templates for example.)


Template:Interwikitmp-grp2 (edit talk links history) — Utility templates which create internal links used for analysis, discussion and tracking other system elements (Categories, Templates, User pages, et al.) by service function on the local (some are inter-sister) project site. (Lts, TL, Tlx, Cl, Cc, Lcs, CAT, etc.)


Associated Autocategories:
   Category:Internal link templates (edit talk links history) and Category:Interwiki utility templates
.


Template:Interwikitmp-grp3 (edit talk links history) — Utility templates that do other tasks besides linking. Some of these are typing or display aids for use within tables, etc.

Associated Autocategories:
   Category:Miscellaneous templates (edit talk links history) and Category:Interwiki utility templates

   Takes a parameter 'cat=alternate name' to override default 'Miscellaneous' with whatever is passed. (normally a sub-category of Miscellaneous. A blank parameter 'cat=|' inhibits that category altogether.)


Template:Interwikitmp-grp4 (edit talk links history) — Combined '-1' and '-3' tagging of Miscellaneous class utility templates that also link externally.
Associated Autocategories:
   Additive by Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes per above key groups.

   Category:Interwiki link templates and Category:Miscellaneous templates
   Takes a parameter 'cat=alternate name' to override default 'Miscellaneous' with whatever is passed. (normally a sub-category of Miscellaneous. A blank parameter 'cat=|' inhibits that category altogether.)


Template:Interwikitmp-grp5 (edit talk links history) — Combined '-2' and '-3' Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes,


for tagging of 'Miscellaneous class' utility templates that also link internally.


Associated Autocategories:
   Additive by Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes per above key groups.

   Category:Internal link templates and Category:Miscellaneous templates
   Takes a parameter 'cat=alternate name' to override default 'Miscellaneous' with whatever is passed. (normally a sub-category of Miscellaneous. A blank parameter 'cat=|' inhibits that category altogether.)

   Note: This does not auto-categorize to 'Interwiki templates on all sisterprojects'.

Template:Interwikitmp-grp6 (edit talk links history) — Combined '-1' + '-2' + '-3' Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes, however rare in that possess linking both locally and interwiki; usually various category tagging templates (a series) with the commons, Wikipedia, or Metawiki back-linked articles fit this group.


Associated Autocategories:

Additive by Interwikitmp-grp## suffixes per above key groups.
  • (Such templates have both 'interwiki' and 'internal' (intra-wiki) links and map to both major link's categories.

Category:Interwiki link templates + Interwiki link templates + Category:Miscellaneous templates

  • However, tagging for Category:Miscellaneous templates should be local to enable maximum flexibility of the overall system. Such category tagging templates are NOT Miscellaneous.)

       Note: This does not auto-categorize to 'Interwiki templates on all sisterprojects'.
Interwikitmp-grp7 (provisional—not used)
Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated.
Interwikitmp-grp8 (provisional—not used)
Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated.
Interwikitmp-grp9 (provisional—not used)
Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated.
Interwikitmp-grp10 (provisional—not used)
Associated Autocategories: none, use not allocated.

[edit] Exceptions table (Revised concept)

TABLE II - Exceptions handling... When a name is already used differently in a local sister project
Tag with {{Interwikitmp-grp exception}}— denotes and tags a This name in use conflict Exception— Thus this name is not available on all sister's for the same function as used for something else on another sister project.


:Autocategory: Category:Interwiki name difference other sister project

Procedure:

  1. It should not need said, but check to see how widely a 'deviant template' is used. If its use is slight, it may be easiest to 'cure the deviation' by substituting another template name on the given sister project.
  2. Tag the generic (or 'common template', the one to be the most widespread as a name on most sister projects before porting it) with Template:Interwikitmp-grp exception (edit talk links history) which compliments the below template and autocategorizes, plus asserts a status message box.
  3. Consider whether the incompatible template makes a good utility for export to other sister projects
         (Some may exist as minor or essentially identical variations of other universal template names. If so, don't alias such. One is enough!)
  4. Other tagging in the 'common template' must be manual inserting the array in {{Interwikitmp-grp}} and changing the appropriate arguments for the chosen aliased name in the sister(s) linking template with the name collision.
  5. Tag with the common category/(ies) extant in {{Interwikitmp-grp}}, or other such case as fits best to the groupings delineated in TABLE I above.
  6. Proceed as below on that sister which has the template deviation, and any others with incompatible templates.
On the flip-side:
In general
Use Template:Interwikitmp-grp ineligible (edit talk links history) to tag the local name exceptions.
Both the above exceptions templates take the 'work around' (alias) name for self documentation of the anomaly. That name should be provided the master template copy being aliased on the sister(s) with the name conflict in their normal template set.

Associated Autocategory:

Category:Interwiki templates varying on other sister projects, provided by the correct tagging.
The replacement template 'alias' (providing name-to-function mapping) must be universally available on all sister's, and tagged normally and copied to same with the appropriate Interwikitmp-grp##. If the Sister(s) with a template name conflict have that name as a useful general purpose utility or tool template, that name should also be aliased and distributed.
Examples of name remapping':
  1. e.g Tl-->TL, Cat-->CAT, etc., Using a case-of-name alternative.
  2. e.g. 'S'/'s' --> '{{SP}}', 'W'/'w' ---> '{{W2}}', etc., all examples of Suffix alternatives
  3. e.g. '{{C}}'/'c' --> '{{W2c}}', (the commons), a special case to maintain similar syntax with 'W2' for Wikipedia, and 'Wd' for Wiktionary (Wiki-Dictionary) and 'Wb' for Wikibooks, etc., all part of a family of user friendly utility templates that pipetrick and display nicely, yet allow an edit change of a one or two letter(s) to redirect the mnemonic link name to another sister project.
Any universal name 'alias' should either duplicate the original source template (preferred) or redirect to it on all sister's capable of having both name variations.
) (top)

05:29, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template:Tt0 (Wiped file... was that mess causing a database corruption?) (top) 05:01, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) m Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group (--Template:This sister prefix) (top) 04:39, 26 January 2007 (hist) (diff) Template:Interwikitmp-grp (Attemped merge from commons and bottom here) (top)

Status: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Template_limits is again normal.

So the top four edits hold the mystery... But notice the notation on Tt0 and Tt (talk). Tt was expanding Template:Interwikitmp-grps see also in that talk page, at see also's" bottom, when the below process failed (see 1-2 para's down) in a reasonable amount of time, I had placed just a plain link to Template:Interwikitmp-grp edit group which is the page that was blowing up when expanded. I'm suspecting that was somehow over running and causing problems via my /doc page, which included 'see also'.

Yesterday, it happens I tried to clean that (edit group) page up, and subst part of the page. That took place in XO, and the subst'd code looked fine, and the links were okay as well. When that 'half page' of links was put back into 'edit group', the subst'd code turned into screwed up mush--that was put into Tt0 for you to look over. I'd started drafting you an email on that yesterday, but decided it could wait.

In sum, there is a mechanism here where that blow up stuff was carrying over somehow into those other two pages. Could just be an accidental formation of a template call to tt. But it's talk page was where the test code involving 'edit group' had a tt call expanding 'see also'... which seems to have sucked in 'edit group', though the debug links didn't show up on pages where it was used.

At the least, something in software is not healty and robust.

You guys have fun with it! Ah... XO's history gets wiped I think, so I'll retrieve those contents 'in case' and place them in Template:Tt1.

Tried with XO, the expansion is gone already. But XO in the edit above had InterwikitmpD, not the expanded code tonight. That you can replicate if need be. The expanded mess, after cutting the subst'd code back into 'edit group' will be in the history of 'Tt0'.

Best regards,

Frank Bartus Fabartus --at-- comcast dot net