Talk:Timeline of the introduction of television in countries
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[edit] Definitions
How should "first television" be defined? First public demonstration of (mechanically scanned) television? First broadcast? First regular broadcasting schedule? First electronic television demonstration? First electronic broadcast? First regularly scheduled electronic television? -- Walloon 21:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- You're right, the title of this article is ambiguous, and doesn't even make much sense (it should be Summary of the first countries that introduced TV). Indeed, the first country to have television at all was the United Kingdom (as opposed to the United States), as it was invented by John Logie Baird, a Scotsman. Andrew 22:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- I say it should be a list of years of the first regular broadcast. Ergo the years in which people in said country should be able to actually watch something (technical problems with coverage aside) - The DJ 01:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
No country had a regular service prior to about 1936. While commercial service ostensibly began in the USA in 1941 subsequent US involvment in WW2 limited the development of services and availibility of sets until the late 1940's
- Read the Wikipedia article on the history of television. The CBS owned television station in New York City was on the air seven days a week, in the afternoon and the evening, from 1931 to 1933. Also, see this history of BBC television. — Walloon 22:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
I made the decision. Now at least it has a definition of what this article entails, instead of it remaining in limbo any longer. If people want something different or change it, they are welcome to announce their suggestions. Also this article name is not correct. How about Timeline of the introduction of television in countries ? - The DJ 20:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think a better article title is a good idea. We could have Summary of the first countries that introduced TV (my suggestion) or The DJ's suggestion of Timeline of the introduction of television in countries, which, in my opinion, is better. Any other ideas? How about Timeline of the first regular television broadcasts by country? Andrew 10:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Flags
Shouldn't this page use the flags and/or names of the countries that were in use when broadcasting began? --Xanthar 16:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Refering to Germany's flag from 1929 it was, historically, digonally red, white and blck. There is also a rather obscene flag from the same nation put in at 1935. I would advice it to be edited out. It is, as stated, rather obscene. — 212.17.144.230 05:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- That is rather the correct flag for Germany in those years. — Walloon 05:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Iran
Iran is listed twice, once in 1958 and once in 1966. According to the page history, it was originally listed in 1958, and then [Denelson83 added it] to 1966. -- Anonymous reader, 03 July 2006
[edit] 1936 RCA broadcasts
The introductory text to this table gives the criteria for inclusion or non-inclusion: "Non-public field tests and closed circuit demonstrations are not included." The demonstration of electronic television by RCA in New York in November 1936, whether you call it a field test or not, was definitely public, with numerous members of the press covering it. And it was a broadcast, not a close circuit demonstration. The criteria for the table do not include "regularly scheduled broadcasts." Likewise, RCA/NBC announced numerous special broadcasts between 1936 and 1939, which the press was also invited to watch, and which any television hobbyist in the NYC area could watch on a home-made set. Commercially manufactured sets from DuMont and others became available in 1938. If necessary, I can provide exact cites for the prior announcements of the 1936-1939 broadcasts in NYC newspapers. — Walloon 21:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, better put Britain back to 1934, then, the year the EMI-Marconi system was first tested. But c'mon, the US was a laggard in electronic TV, as engineers and programmers said at the time (and it has nothing to do with the "experimental" designation being lifted in 1941; regular broadcasts comparable to the BBC's began in 1939). Part of this was a rather sensible wait-and-see approach, but there's little doubt Germany was most advanced (its own wait-and-see involved public presentation rooms rather than private set ownership, which allowed it to improve standards as this became possible), but the BBC was the first both to establish a modern television standard and to implement not just test broadcasts but a fairly sophisticated studio with the accompanying broadcast infrastructure. If we start applying criteria too loosely, then it's easy to push one's favorite country forward; I'm already uncomfortable with the claim made on Early television stations that the U.S. was "broadcasting television" in 1928, when said broadcasts involved a total of four television sets, all of them owned by the company doing the tests. ProhibitOnions (T) 23:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
- Not true. At least four different television stations were licensed and on the air in 1928, in Boston (on air in October); Washington (on air in July); Hugo Gernsback's W2XAL in New York City (on air in August); and Schenectady, NY (the one you're thinking of, run by General Electric) (on air in January, regularly in May). Read the footnotes to the table. — Walloon 05:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- I'm already quite familiar with this subject, and did read the footnotes, thanks. I've added an NPOV tag for the reasons I've mentioned above. ProhibitOnions (T) 09:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Colonies?
How do I change the flags of countries under colonial administration (e.g. changing Algerian flag with French flag because Algeria's flag wasn't adopted by time TV was introduced) without changing the name of the country? RJL 16:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Experimental
I have removed the tag "experimental" after the Japan and Italy records in 1939 because the term is vague to the point of meaninglessness. If "experimental" means "non-commercial," then BBC and PBS are experimental television too. If "experimental" means "not part of a regular broadcast schedule," this table is not about the beginnings of regular broadcast schedules. As the introduction says, it is about the very first publicly announced broadcasts. If "experimental" means "part of an ongoing technological developement," then television has been continously "experimental" since its beginning, and will always be "experimental." There was no arbitrary point at which television stopped developing. If "experimental" means "had not yet adopted the NTSC standards of 1941," then most of the world's television is still "experimental."
There is no satisfactory definition of "experimental" television. — Walloon 03:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV tag
I have removed the NPOV tag from the article. It was added to the article as a result of the above discussion concerning criteria ("1936 RCA broadcasts"). It does not appear that the discussion escalated to a true POV issue -- it is an issue of how to properly apply the criteria for inclusion. The question is what early U.S. broadcasts should be recognized in the table. If anything, specific entries might better be tagged with Template:Dubious or Template:Disputed-inline if more concrete efforts to resolve the issue on the talk page do not go anywhere. Skeezix1000 (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Antigua and Barbuda/Montserrat/Panama Canal Zone/Western Sahara
Does anybody know when these countries adopted television broadcasting? 71.212.249.68 (talk) 02:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
CMATT Communications began providing cable television to Antigua and Barbuda in 1983, but I'm not sure when the Antigua and Barbuda Broadcasting System adopted television. So the date will be set at 1983. There is some country data to prove that A&B had television service as early as 1974, but that was probably received from other islands. 71.212.249.68 (talk) 02:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Territories without television
Shouldn't there be a list of territies that do not have television? Otherwise, they just look like omissions. I know that Pitcairn and Tristan da Cunha don't (although as the latter is a dependency of Tristan da Cunha, it may not count), for example. Salopian (talk) 16:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Map glitches
Surely it's misleading to cover half of Asia in red when pre-war tv in Soviet Union was restricted to the centre of Moscow and Leningrad? And tv in Alaska pre-1940? I think not! Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Notes and citations
There is a big problem with the notes !
First : they don't correspond !
Second : there are more invocation numbers than the numbers of notes !
~~Mario 6 April 2008 at 17 h 09 CET ~~
