Talk:Timeline of labor issues and events

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NO thanks I was looking for a place to add information about labor history, such as the the origin of profit sharing being in 1797, and a Timeline of Labor Issues and Events article would be perfect. That's basically what this article is about because it includes the child labor amendment which I don't think is a labor union issue, so how about changing this article's name.

Here it says that profit sharing "originated in Albert Gallatin's glass works in New Geneva, Pennsylvania in 1797." I'm not sure it would fit in this article unless the article's name is changed.

This is a link that I'd like to add to the external links section of a related page. Not sure where yet. -Barry- 21:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Go for it, I made the article, and few people visit. If you are intersted, I suggest making a labor template too.Travb 01:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] United States

So, with the change of title, do you see this article becoming a world timeline? Or still related to the United States?--Bookandcoffee 22:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know enough about labor events, especially worldwide, to know whether that would double the size of the article or increase it 100 fold. We might have to be more selective if we did that, and somehow sort it by country. -Barry- 23:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Making a world timeline is one of the things on the list over at WikiProject Organized Labour. With this page being linked to template:labor I think people will slowly start to add international info, maybe just assuming that it was started by a US source. As for size - this is a huge topic. My first thought is to let it grow, and then eventually divide it by time (Timeline of labor issues and events (1880-1920)) instead of country. But I don't know if that's the right answer. --Bookandcoffee 00:56, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
This] seems like it might make a good basis for a timeline of events of international importance. I'm going to have to make a bit more progress with my Italian lessons first though... As a general idea, it might be smart to look at some timelines compiled by non-US/UK organisations - might give a better idea of events considered important on an international level. Mattley (Chattley) 16:36, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
For each year, entries are now grouped by country. If there's not enough support for this change, it can be changed back pretty easily. Lets try to decide how to do this while using search and replace to make the change is still practical. Once we get many entries for other countries, it may be harder. -Barry- 02:27, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Reverted by a bot! Maybe I'll try the bot's shut off button. -Barry- 02:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Looks kind of odd right now, with all those "United States" headers! But personally, I like the idea. As it fills in it should be interesting/useful to see the comparisons. Just a thought, but do we need to divide each year right now, or just each decade, and then by year if/when it's larger? --Bookandcoffee 05:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
Wow, excellent idea, good job.Travb 07:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New layout

I've reformatted the first few entries with a proposed new layout. Basically, it will make the article much more compact. I think that with this format, the article will still end up massive, and a more useful layout might be one similar to Timeline of clothing and textiles technology. Comments/reversion prior to discussion welcome. Noisy | Talk 16:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking more about your idea of putting a two letter country abbreviation in parentheses on the same line as the event, and eliminating the country name headings. I didn't like it at first because it doesn't stand out as much as a country name heading for those looking for a certain country, and the country it stands for wouldn't be obvious to some people. I also don't think this article will grow as much as some predict, but if it does grow significantly, saving a line for every country, for every year, could be significant. Now I think we should use the abbreviations, but also, in a small font, on the same line as the year, provide full-country-name links to the top event for the respective countries. Something like:

1797

  United States | Canada

(U.S.) Event here...

I don't know how to make link text smaller, Wikipedia's colon indenting won't work, and I'll have to test the internal links I'm using. This needs further research. -Barry- 17:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
And using the method in my example would actually increase the size of the article in terms of memory, even though it would display shorter. -Barry- 18:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it important to have the events broken out by country? Other timelines just incorporate the geographic location into the description. Can't that be done here? Something like

year

  • date - Description of event
  • next date - its descritpion

and so on. -The Gomm 02:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


Instead of the current layout, which looks like this:

[edit] 1909

[edit] United States

22 November 1909

The New York shirtwaist strike of 1909 (Uprising of the 20,000). Female garment workers went on strike in New York; many were arrested. A judge told those arrested: "You are on strike against God."

[edit] 1910s

[edit] 1910

[edit] United States

October 1, 1910

Los Angeles Times building bombing killed twenty people and destroyed the building. Calling it "the crime of the century," the newspaper's owner Harrison Gray Otis blamed the bombing on the unions, a charge denied by unionists.

25 December 1910

A dynamite bomb destroyed a portion of the Llewellyn Iron works in Los Angeles, where a bitter strike was in progress. In April 1911 James McNamara and his brother John McNamara, secretary-treasurer of the International Association of Bridge and Structural Iron Workers, were charged with the two crimes. James McNamara pleaded guilty to murder and John McNamara pleaded guilty to conspiracy in the dynamiting of the Llewellyn Iron Works.[1]


Perhaps we could do without all the section headers, and make it more like a timeline:

22 November 1909
The New York shirtwaist strike of 1909 (Uprising of the 20,000). Female garment workers went on strike in New York; many were arrested. A judge told those arrested: "You are on strike against God."
October 1, 1910
Los Angeles Times building bombing killed twenty people and destroyed the building. Calling it "the crime of the century," the newspaper's owner Harrison Gray Otis blamed the bombing on the unions, a charge denied by unionists.
25 December 1910
A dynamite bomb destroyed a portion of the Llewellyn Iron works in Los Angeles, where a bitter strike was in progress. In April 1911 James McNamara and his brother John McNamara, secretary-treasurer of the International Association of Bridge and Structural Iron Workers, were charged with the two crimes. James McNamara pleaded guilty to murder and John McNamara pleaded guilty to conspiracy in the dynamiting of the Llewellyn Iron Works.[2]

This might have a better flow. Should we do this? The Gomm 23:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Country names

I agree that it would be nice to get a smoother flow without as many headings - but we still need to have a more overt indication of the country involved. Otherwise it could be misleading, as the "timeline" aspect assumes some continuity - and many events that follow each other here are not causally related.

22 November 1909 (United States)
The New York shirtwaist strike of 1909 (Uprising of the 20,000). Female garment workers went on strike in New York; many were arrested. A judge told those arrested: "You are on strike against God."

--Bookandcoffee 00:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Excellent! We might also want to reverse the date formatting to Year Month Day, since some entries don't have day, and others don't even have a month. Any other suggestions, or should we just get to it? The Gomm 02:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm fine with just doing it now (although I'm not too keen on doing the work myself ;). -Barry- did quite a bit of work setting things up the way they are, but I don't think he's very active right now, and I don't know of anyone else that is very involved with this. Your idea to reverse the dates makes sense. If this page does eventually grow to a larger size I wouldn't be surprised to see headings creep back in, but I think that's how it should work. Info first - headings to follow. --Bookandcoffee 02:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and took care of this, keeping only the decade headings that are used as a makeshift table of contents at the top. I didn't bother reversing the dates, and I don't think that's really necessary, anyway. If need be, yearly headings can be added back in some decades if the sections get unwieldy, but for now I think things work well.

The first priority now is probably adding more information, especially that for the last 20 years and non-US (especially non-anglophone) history. Because of that, I changed the cleanup tag to an expand tag. However, I would like to get a uniform tense on the page. Right now it's a mixture of past and present tense; for timelines like this I personally prefer present tense. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 02:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Are the Decade Sections really useful?

In a timeline, in which each entry starts with a date, are the sections for each decade really useful? I think the timeline would look cleaner and be easier to read without them. The Gomm 03:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

PS I think we can all scroll down the timeline quite fast enough.

I think they are. Even if people want to scroll down to a certain date instead of using the link, the decade headers make it easier to scroll faster, since they stand out more and are easier to read in a glance. I don't find them disruptive, and they make the article look more organized to me than would a flat list.
But I think they are most useful for editing, since with them we can edit separate sections and don't have to dig through the entire source if we want to add an event or fix a typo in, say, 1933. Both this and the organizational aspects will become more important as the article expands. It has the potential to get really massive, though I'm sure we'll all keep it within reason. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 01:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1913 Copper Country strike

http://www.hu.mtu.edu/vup/Strike/ This was a significant event. I don't at this time have the ability to add something useful about it to the article but thought it proper to make note of the event here. Peoplesunionpro 06:44, 17 June 2007 (UTC)