Talk:Timeline of German history

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Before the page looked as it does now, it was a list of years with only a few links to them.I moved the three years which actually had content to List of years in Germany. Saintswithin 11:39, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] chancellors

I've removed some chancellors, as if we add some, we should add all of them since 1871, plus the presidents and the leaders of East Germany, the kings, etc. and it will just clog up the list unnecessarily as there are lists of chancellors and kings elsewhere. Saintswithin 12:55, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Odd claims

Seriously... claiming Germanic tribes as Germans, is wrong. But to claim them as being German 1000BC is preposterous. Rex 08:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Are you suggesting we should delete the events before a certain date (800? 1871? 1990?), that we should rename the article, or add an explanation, or do you have another solution? Cf. Timeline of British history (Before 1000) ("8th millennium BC: Mesolithic Period begins"), bearing this in mind Saint|swithin 09:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
There's a fundamental difference between those articles. The article on British history is about, and I quote: "This article presents a timeline of events in the history of Britain ". While this article claims to present "a timeline of German history", and German here is meant in the sense of "German people", eventhough German here is linked to Germany. (Why else also refer to the History of Germany) The article on British history restricts itself to events that took place in Britain. This article does not and makes claims that can never be backed up. Rex 11:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I wrote the article in the first place and didn't intend to make any "preposterous" claims, but simply to write a similar article to the British one, to present a history of what went on in what is now Germany in the past, going as far back as possible. One reason behind this was that people only tend to think about modern German history, and I wanted to show that that is not all there is. If you think I got it wrong, please alter it as you feel it is more appropriate. I'd do it myself, but I'm still not sure I understand what changes you want to make to the article. If you want to alter the wording to make it more like the British article, you can do that without putting an "unverified claim" box in the article (the latter makes it look as though the events on the list might not have happened). Saint|swithin 16:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
... How do you define "Germany"
I think it's clear this article is intended as a history timeline in what is today Germany. As such the content seems fine and undisputed. What might need reconsideration is the article's title and intro. That is to say possibly rename the article to Timeline of the History of Germany (then again that would give the wrong impression that it's only about relatively recent history

). So the main problem is probably that the intro does not properly explain that this is a timeline for the territory now known as Germany. Note, there is no claim in this article that the Germanic People were Germans, also all events in the timeline either took place in what is today Germany or are closely linked to it (I was for a moment tempted to remove the Cimbri, Teutoni and Helvetii, but then the Cimbri probably and the Teutoni certainly moved through what is today Germany...) . In the meantime I think both tags should be removed.--Caranorn 18:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I've looked "German" and "Germany" up in the dictionary and encyclopedia, and still can't work out why it is the wrong word ...
In my large Hutchinson Encyclopedia (2004 edition) [1] under "Germany" there is a chronology which begins c.1000 BC: Germanic tribes from Scandinavia begin to settle the region between the rivers Rhine, Elbe and Danube. See also this old book you can read online.
The dictionary says: German ... 2 (historical) belonging or relating to the country, state or republic of Germany in any of its various historical forms. [2]
... could someone explain what is wrong? What exactly is preposterous? Why do we need to qualify the word "Germany", and how? What is the difference meant to be between "German history" and "history of Germany"? I'm not being sarcastic, I simply honestly do not understand. Just imagine you're talking to someone very slow... :-) Saint|swithin 20:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

This article should either be about the developement of the geographical region now known as Germany (in which you can go back to pangea if you like) or the German people. (in which case a very clear difference must be made between germans and Germanic peoples)Rex 21:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Problem is, this article cleraly is not about German People, neither does it claim to be. Saint has just given a good definition of German. A slight expansion of the intro would still be useful, but currently it's not wrong.--Caranorn 13:52, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Reading through this again, I think I understand that Rex really is just objecting to the word "German". Do correct me if I'm wrong, Rex: you have not directly said what the problem is, but reading between the lines, it seems you believe "German" means "relating to the German people"? As a native speaker of English, that idea did not even come into my head. "German history" means exactly the same as "History of Germany". Maybe you are influenced by another language? Does Dutch make some subtle distinction between the form with the adjective and the noun? Is there some aspect of German I have completely missed? Of course, you can still go ahead and add an explanation that the Germanic tribes are not Germans, but this article does not say that they are.
Or maybe I still don't understand? You said "This article should ... be about the development of the geographical region now known as Germany" -- does this mean you don't believe it should be about historical German territories? Saint|swithin 09:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


Where are the 1700s?!

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[edit] German periodisation

I'm looking for information on IF and HOW the war with Soviet Union 1941-1945 is periodised in Germany.--Mrg3105 (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)