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[edit] "Long Time Man"?

This article refers to Rose's "Long Time Man" becoming a standard. While this is true of "Hey Joe" & "Morning Dew", both having been covered hundreds of times, I am not aware that it is true of Rose's "Long Time Man". Can you cite examples apart from Nick Cave?

You may be aware that Rose's LTM is based loosely on a "traditional" work-song. He cut a "trad." version with the Big 3, and there is at least one John Lomax recording from the '30s or '40s of convicts singing this. Perhaps the reference to the song being a "standard" is a confusion of the trad. version and Rose's original song? --Design 13:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I think you have a good point here - the song is a standard, but it seems the Tim Rose version has only been recorded by Nick Cave. I will change the text to reflect that.--Rbreen 21:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know what Long Time Man means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.20.36.99 (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone sentenced to life imprisonment. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 13:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article needs more attention

This article borrows heavily from text on Rose's official website. I have done a bit of tidying up, but it still lack's sources and could do with some more tightening for NPOV and trivia.--Design 13:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

No kidding! This article is a blatant copyvio. I'm suprised it hasn't be deleted. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 13:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Rose: Not a USAF Navigator

Tim Rose and I entered aviation cadet class 61-07 on 9 June 1960. The class designation 61-07 meant that, if we completed the course, we would graduate in about ten and one-half months. If we graduated we would be commissioned Second Lieutenants and be awarded the aeronautical rating of Navigator. Tim Rose didn't complete the course. I almost didn't; it took me an extra month to finally graduate and become a Navigator.

Tim Rose and I were in different flights, but everyone in "D" Squadron quickly heard about Tim. He had the distinction of accumulating more demerit than he would be able to work off and still graduate with 61-07; for that reason he was "washed back" to class 61-08, which was scheduled to graduate two weeks after 61-07. After a short time in class 61-08 Tim made the decision to submit what was then called an SIE (Self-Initiated Elimination). In short, Tim quit the training program after a few weeks into the training. He did not become a navigator or a second lieutenant. Tim was not the only one to search his soul and choose to SIE.

I recall that Tim was a very good banjo player -- at least that's how he sounded to my untrained ear. He and at least one upperclassman performed a skit at a squadron party; Tim struck me as a good performer. I'm going to guess that he came to realize that being an Air Force navigator was really not for him and that he liked performing better.

Everyone who was accepted into an navigator training class signed an agreement that if they didn't complete the training course they would serve two years in the USAF as an enlisted man. Tim spent the remainder of his time in the Air Force as a "music specialist." I don't know where he served. The rest, as he said on a Navigator bulletin board many years later, is history.72.196.4.185 00:14, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Removing the disputed alleged fact. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 13:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Rose's '58 telecaster

I have Tim's telecaster, bought in London after he passed way. I received a printed provenance with it and there is some stuff in there about his life. It's quite a humorous document. I will scan it and post it, probably on the official site, if that's possible. His Mother bought him the guitar in New York on the never never at the end of the 50s. He kept the guitar all his life, never realising it had become a valuable vintage. It's nicely battered and has a burn on the headstock where he'd store his fag while singing or arguing. The guitar will remain unmodified (obviously, it's a pukka 58!!) and I will not clean it, or let anyone - particularly my Mother in Law (Maggie), clean it. Jas 22:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss You, Tim

Think about you all the time, Tim. RIP, my friend. Wbroun (talk) 16:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)