Talk:Tim Hortons Brier

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[edit] "Further reading" section

I've added a new "Further reading" section with a link to a good website on the history of curling in Canada (from Library and Archives Canada). Is this helpful? Smobri 18:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] naming?

I think this article needs to be renamed to something like "Canadian Men's Curling Championship" as Nokia has only been the sponsor since 2001. Labatt's sponsored it for 20 years before that and then of course the original sponsor. RedWolf 01:19, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

I think this article should be called "The Brier". I think the sponsor's name should only be included in the name of the event if the sponsor never changes, eg, Scott Tournament of Hearts. If Molson decided to become the title sponsor of Hockey Night in Canada again, should the article be renamed to 'Molson Hockey Night in Canada'? I think not. Furthermore, distinguishing between sponsors leads to unnatural content. Why should the winners of the Nokia Brier be in a separate table than the winners of the Labatt Brier? This should be one single list of Brier winners or Canadian Men's Curling Champions or something to that effect. If it weren't for the discussion already present, I would have moved this myself, in accordance with WP:Bold. P0per 19:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Um, no. "The Brier" is a terrible name for the article. It has always been the tradition to use the event sponsor in the name. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Whe making reference to a particular event, eg. "The 2004 Nokia Brier", I have no problem including the sponsor. But you just have to look to pretty much any article this one links to to find out what people call the event. Russ Howard - "...been to the Brier 13 times...". Randy Ferbey "..in his first Brier..", "...won the Brier...", Jeff Stoughton "Stoughton is a two time Brier and one time World Championship skip", etc... Your claim that "the title is pretty well spread in the local venacular" is only (arguably) true when referring to specific events, and not "The Brier" in general, which is the subject of this article. P0per 20:59, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
The current name of the Brier is the Tim Hortons Brier. Whether or not it is spread to the local venacular is up for debate, but it will only take time. Look at the Scott Tournament of Hearts. No one calls it "the Tournament of Hearts". Likewise, when it was the Labatt Brier, it was rarely called just "the Brier". -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Exactly how many people called this thing the Nokia Brier , hmm? Sports commentators call this The Brier 67.68.222.42 05:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RM (7 Mar 2005)

  • Tim Hortons Brier → The Brier -- Having the title sponser in the name is confusing, alot of people still call this the Labatt Brier, and many people just call it the Brier. It's like the Sugar Bowl, it should not have the sponsor in the title. 132.205.15.43 03:35, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
add: * Support or * Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation and a signature:"~~~~"
  • Again, the sponsor in the title is pretty well spread in the local venacular, unlike the Sugar Bowl. It should not be moved. Earl Andrew 03:52, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Object to move - Naming conventions state that "The" should not be including in article titles. violet/riga (t) 09:47, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Propose do not change name leave it as Tim Hortons Brier

---Add any additional comments on the "Requested move" below this line ---

Moved from the WP:RM page in line with the consensus on that page.

    • Again, the sponsor in the title is pretty well spread in the local venacular, unlike the Sugar Bowl. It should not be moved. Earl Andrew 03:52, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • since when have most people been calling this the Tim Hortons Brier? Most people I talk to call it the Brier or the Labatt Brier, but not the Nokia Brier, or Tim Hortons Brier. 132.205.15.43 03:55, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • The Brier: The history of Canada's most celebrated curling championship (Amazon.com) - a book that calls it the Brier.

--Philip Baird Shearer 11:34, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

    • Using "The Brier" as a title is very akward, and most people (will) say Tim Hortons Brier, just like Labatt Brier Macdonald Brier and Nokia Brier. It is a custom to use the event sponsor in the name. Earl Andrew 04:11, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Most poeple will say the Brier or Labatt Brier, winners are referred to as Brier winners. Labatt is no longer the title sponsor, so the other common usage, The Brier comes into play. Tim Hortons Brier is extremely awkward anyways. Exactly who have you been talking to who call this thing the Tim Hortons Brier? No one I know calls it that. 132.205.15.43 04:41, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • If they dont now, they will in the future. The Brier is very akward too. It sounds too unofficial. Earl Andrew 05:09, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • As I mentioned in my original comment on the naming of this article, the title sponsor of the event has changed over the years. Almost everyone who has any interest in curling, refers to it as The Brier. I don't know if it's always been that way but it's definitely in the mainstream Canadian culture as to referring to it as such. If Tim Hortons or any of the other sponsors had always been the single sponsor, then perhaps the full name would be more commonplace. This is not however the case. Canadians refer to it as The Brier. To digress a bit, with the women's championship, Scott Paper has been the title sponsor since 1982 and Canadians do mainly refer to it as the Scott Tournament of Hearts or simply The Scott. If a sponsor stays around long enough for the men's, perhaps Canadians will starting referring to it more using the sponsor but this is not the way it has been for many years and The Brier is the most common usage among Canadians. RedWolf 06:00, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
    • Having the article at The Brier just doesnt seem right. Earl Andrew 06:09, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not enough consensus for the move. Removed from WP:RM. violet/riga (t) 18:49, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was don't move. —Nightstallion (?) 08:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rename (11 Mar 2006)

This page should be called The Brier 67.68.222.42 05:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Votes on rename

  • I should hope so, Tim Hortons paid alot of money to be title sponsor. That still doesn't mean anything, other than Tim Hortons really did pay to be title sponsor. 70.51.9.9 12:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Sponsorship doesn't obviate correctness as part of the name for this event. And anon IPs commenting to the contrary mean little to this discussion, either. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 13:21, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion on rename

Umm, this matter has been settled already. See the above discussion. --curling rock Earl Andrew - talk 06:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Manitoba

Mention of Manitoba's disproportionate number of victories has no place in a "neutral point of view" article. It may be a fact, but deserves no more mention than the fact that the territories have never won. Either include all such trivia, or none at all.

[edit] Assessment

I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and organization than would be expected of a Stub, and of low importance, as it is a highly specific event within Canada. Cheers, CP 02:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chart of Winners

How about having a chart showing total winners by province/region? anyone oppose it? Also, what about an indication as to who went on to win the World Championships that year? 99.248.53.179 (talk) 19:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)