Talk:Tim Horton
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December 12, 2005.
I added a reference to Tim Horton's time spent with the St. Michael's College Majors and a reference to the fact that he ranks 14th in the NHL for most games played. I changed "considerable strength" to "legendary strength". Every site I visited regarding Tim Horton made reference to how incredibly strong he was. I also corrected the statement that Horton's number was retired by the Toronto Maple Leafs. Technically, the number is only "honoured", not retired. The Leafs have a policy of not retiring numbers.
The majority of this information can be found on the hockey hall of fame website.
With regards to His death on the QEW, it wasn't at Stoney Creek, but rather in St Catherines, just beyond the bridge over the Martindale Creek (Henley Regatta course)....Bacl-presby 22:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Feb 17, 2006. Horton was never proved to have been taking pain killers for his jaw. That was speculation. Ron Joyce, his business partner, was quoted saying he saw him take pills but it appears that Joyce simply assumed they were pain killers. In fact, the autopsy report strongly suggests that Horton was taking Dexamyl ("Purple Heart") which was a prescription amphetamine cut with a barbituate to take the edge off. (The barbituate would stay in the blood even after the dexadrine was cleared.)
This is an important distinction as it suggests Horton may have used speed to compete in the NHL at the end of his career. Understandable, considering he was 44 at the time.
More importantly, Horton was legally drunk when he died, with a .17 blood alcohol reading, more than twice the .08 limit that came into force in Ontario in 1969.
Also, Horton injured his jaw in a practice in Buffalo, not a game. And, call me picky, but... it was never "confirmed" he was speeding. That was from a police witness. Also, there is no evidence he was killed instantly. He was declared DOA at the hospital in St. Catherines.
Apr 26, 2006. Can you please clear up how the Maple Leafs honoured Tim Horton? It is very ambiguous at the moment, and is not clear at all on how Tim Horton was honoured. (by User:64.229.176.115 - please use the 4 tildes method to sign talk items)
- Updated to clarify this somewhat - Leafs only retired 2 numbers, after which they stopped doing so. Presumably this always involves ceremonies at Leafs games e.g. Tim Horton & King Clancy. Dl2000 22:00, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
November 30, 2006
I just wanted to comment on an error or misunderstanding about the autopsy report on Horton. The information on this page indicates that no pain killers were found in Horton's body as was believed before. The information on this page also says amobarbital was found in his system. I looked into the definition of this drug and it clearly indicates this drug has analgestic properties ( in other words PAIN KILLERS). Doesn't this completely contradict the article. Did Horton have pain killers in his system or not?? This information on this page does not provide the answer and just confuses the reader.
J.L.
Jan. 2, 2007 The pills found near his body were Dexamyl, which was a prescription drug that combined amobarbital and dextroamphetamine. The dextro would have cleared his blood first, which is probably why it didn't show up on the blood test but the amobarbital did. Dexamyl was NOT prescribed as a pain-killer. It was marketed towards housewives who needed an energy boost without the anxiety that straight dexadrine can cause. Dexamyl became popular as a recreational drug and was nicknamed "Purple Hearts," popular with celebs of the day (Andy Warhol among them). I agree this should be reworded, however.
[edit] Autopsy report
Why did the fact that Horton was twice over the blood-alcohol limit not come out until 30 years after Horton's death? I'm not Canadian, and of course things may be done differently there, but certainly here (the UK) if someone this famous died like this and it turned out he'd been drink-driving, I'd expect that fact to become common knowledge (and all over the media) at the time of the inquest, not years and years later. Loganberry (Talk) 22:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I can answer that... Under Ontario law, an autopsy is considered personal information and cannot be disclosed. However, the privacy provision expires 30 years after the subject's death. Thus, it became a public document in Feb. 2004. Its details were not known until the following year, when the Ottawa Citizen obtained the document through the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act. There was no inquest in the Horton death because no one else was injured or killed. Also, this was a different age and impaired driving did not then carry the same stigma it (rightly) does today. Although rumours about his drinking that night that surfaced about 15 years later, it wasn't widely known at the time of the accident. Indeed, in the days that followed the crash, one newspaper quoted an unnamed source in the Coroner's office who said the autopsy detected no alcohol in Horton's blood. At that moment, that was technically true -- the blood test was done a week after the autopsy and the results were not yet known. Of course, when the test was completed, it showed plenty of booze.
[edit] June 24, 2006
Added a link to University of St. Michael's College page.
[edit] Changed to "co-founder"
Ron Joyce was his partner. He did not found the company by himself.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.114.107.77 (talk) 04:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
