Talk:Tim Cotterill

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[edit] Tim Cotterill

Vanity page. Nothing else. (unsigned bu User:Mannafredo)

While I think there is a major conflict of interest with this article - it largely having been created by the subject - I don't think the article is unsalvageable. It's also not clear to me that the subject is not notable. I've removed the speedy tag - that doesn't prevent anyone nominating this for deletion by any other method. DJ Clayworth (talk) 15:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

He's almost certainly written the article himself, and as such you would expect him to know all the really notable bits. So why has he not mentioned any awards that he has won, galleries that he has exhibited in or prestigious commissions he has received - maybe there aren't any. The only links to literature are to two books that he seems to have written himself, and the two external links are to the same website - almost certainly his own. It's nice stuff, and he's obviously doing well, but I think he's still a good bit short of being notable. Regards, and sorry for my dropped signature last time, Mannafredo (talk) 16:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Tim didn't write this himself (he doesn't even own a computer), the information is compiled by his collectors (some are famous people) and his publisher. He has been seen on Extra TV, which if you check out the website it is viewed there. If you wish to have more documentation on this I would be happy to provide it. I apologize for not understanding this wiki, it is very new to me. I can post his appearances around the world at world renowned galleries like Christi Sothers in NYC. His monument sculpture was on display in Grand Central Station in January and is now displayed in Park City Utah where the home of the 2002 Winter Olympics were held. Just let me know what I need to do. Thank you for helping a newbie out.Timcotterill (talk) 20:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

"Tim didn't write this himself...": So why are you calling yourself User talk:Timcotterill? All your edits are to do with Tim. Does he know your using images of his work? Maybe he doesn't own a computer.

"...(he doesn't even own a computer)": Mmmm, that explains it. Your obviously more than just a collector then - maybe you do know something.

"the information is compiled by his collectors": All of them? Wow there can't be very many. Maybe you just mean some of his collectors - so you say. Who are they; kings, presidents, sheikhs? Have they really contributed to the compilation of this article?

"He has been seen on Extra TV, which if you check out the website it is viewed there.": So what, I've been on TV. and I'm scum.

"If you wish to have more documentation on this I would be happy to provide it.": No thanks, put it in the article.

"I apologize for not understanding this wiki, it is very new to me.": If you don't know how to use it, don't use it, you might shoot yourself in the foot. Mmmm, that's unfair, of course use it and learn it, but perhaps not by creating a whole new article about some previously un-articled craftsman of whom you're simply a collector.

"I can post his appearances around the world at world renowned galleries like Christi Sothers in NYC.": No thanks, put it in the article.

"His monument sculpture was on display in Grand Central Station in January and is now displayed in Park City Utah where the home of the 2002 Winter Olympics were held.": Sounds good, why don't you provide a nice link to that - in the article.

"Just let me know what I need to do": Others will need to comment on that. I just want to hear you explain your actions so far.

"Thank you for helping a newbie out": Your welcome. Best regards, Mannafredo (talk) 22:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations, please

I've restored the tags, since they are justified: the piece has no citations, parts read like advertisements, and the wikitable is quite non-standard.

I've also moved this text -- "Cotterill is a popular artist with a wide American and international collector base. His Frogman bronze sculptures range from miniature to monumental, and now form a significant portfolio of over a hundred pieces in limited editions of up to five thousand." here pending citation of an independent source -- not, say, the websites of Mr. Cotterill or his dealers. PRRfan (talk) 22:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)