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What an Awful entry. The man was a giant that many still stand undeservingly on his shoulders. i suggest you put more content in for this artist lest your Wikipedia become less the relevant for anything.

I agree 100%. From his folk beginings to his sexy funk conclusion this is not the artist I know.

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[edit] I remember

How about adding the comments yourself? I saw Buckley at Hill Auditorium in Ann Arbor MI in the early 1970s and he was so fucked up that he could not remember the words to his own songs, he started and stopped songs at moments that were meaningless to the audience,and would repeatedly whip out a thumb piano [or something] and just plunk it into the microphone for what seemed like hours. I have rarely felt as bad for another person as I did for his band members that night. He might have been a giant [and i was and still am a fan of his] but he did not walk tall that night. Your turn Carptrash 03:21, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

i'm midway through a more fitting tribute to tim. --AeneasMacNeill 00:01, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

the rewritten article is cascading nicely, it should be up here for you vultures later today :)

i havent written about a musician before, nor do i ahve any musical knowledge - and this is my first complete wiki article - so it's taking a while to make the article satisfactory to my standards. --AeneasMacNeill 13:45, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

What the hell? Carptrash, your comment was completely irrelevant to everything.

[edit] ok

ive uploaded my expansion in a raw form, i hope it isn't too badly written or uninformed. if anyone knows how one goes about getting the copyright priveleges to use a picture of tim it would be appreciated.

thanks. AeneasMacNeill 01:58, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This new version is not NPOV (it's quite hagiographical) and rife with spelling and grammatical errors. I suggest reverting until the author makes corrections. Dumping a mess like this on the community all at once isn't cool. Crculver 11:47, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Retort to juvenile rambling

rather than being caustic, why don't you correct this supposed "mess"? your criticism is neither constructive nor beneficial to the development of this article. you aren't 'cool'. --AeneasMacNeill 13:20, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

could you please correct the spelling errors and grammar as well, as i've spent hours writing this and need a break.

  • 1) Attacking your fellow editors on attack pages by changing the section titles isn't smiled upon on Wikipedia. I've seen people subsequently banned start off like this. 2) The biggest problem is here the lack of NPOV. You cannot say, for example, that Buckley had a "moving voice", but rather "many listeners found his voice moving", etc. As the person above mentioned several months back, there are plenty of people who did not find Buckley's art appealing. Crculver 13:32, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This is rubbish, saying he had a moving voice, implies that many listeners found his voice moving, if few did he wouldn't have had a moving voice, so the argument is circular. Let's not start nit picking here or get overly anal retentive, music is a matter of taste, whether you phrase it this or the other way, so adding extra verbosity won't do anything for the npov clause.

[edit] Tim worship

i shall do my best to alter the worship, as i have ashamedly let it seep onto the page. i would be surprised if wikipedia wouldn't frown upon an editor calling someones hard graft a "mess". from an npov point of view perhaps it is, but careless comments by you aren't making me eager to fulfill your request.

I don't think it's a question of request. The idolisation/POV style of this article makes it feel more like a fanpage than an entry in an encyclopaedia. There's no need for either of you to be rude to one another about it, or to not oblige to the standards set. If you offer constructive criticism politely, then the person should take your advice. Likewise, the person receiving the criticism should make an effort to do so. I'm going to at least put one of the clean-up notices on the article after I read through it again. Perhaps you can reach a compromise of some sort. --Thorns Among Our Leaves 01:14, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Note removed from article

>>NOTE<< This bio may have been created by the webcomic artist Brian Clevinger. In order to discredit the webcomic Artist Tim Buckley of Ctrl Alt Del >>NOTE<< -- unsigned by 64.223.83.167


I have altered the lead and second paragraph, although I am not certain how to proceed with the rest of the article. It really needs to be rubbished and started afresh. There are very few passages that qualify as NPOV and the article is not encyclopedic by a long stretch. Clearly, there is interest in turning this article into something. I will gradually move forward to this end. blood_victory 01:22, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Everything

So people, here are the infoboxes and all related stuff for the albums according to WP:ALBUMS. I have no idea who is this Mr. Beckett who co-writen many songs with Buckley. So if you know update that! Also fixed song titles, you can verify this on timbuckley.com if you want. I uploaded an image for Blue Afternoon before I even saw there is already one, sorry... I also added categorys, see on WP albums also, there says that every category has to have an upper category so Tim Buckley albums is in Tim Buckley and Buckley (category that is) is in singer-songwriters. Ok i'm not sure about this categorys so ask someone who is familiar with this. That is all, thank you, bye. Hey wait you're supposed to thank me? Death2 04:42, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Many musicians that played with him don't even mention him in their articles on wikipedia, except a few. Does anybody want to correct that? Death2 20:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Age when died

How can he have been "only 28" given the dates of birth and death given?

Given the dates given, he was 28, do the math, you may be confusing with his son! Frainc 01:01 16 January 2007

[edit] Ridiculous Octave Range Claims

I have no clue why people insert these ridiculous claims about vocal range of 12, 5, 3.5 octaves. In his recorded output, Tim Buckley probably reached just over a 2 octave range, but certainly did not have any of these ranges. NO ONE has this kind of range to their voice!

I removed these references as they are simply uninformed garbage.

Must be some confusion with his son, Jeff Buckley, who was known for his +3 octave range. MMetro (talk) 18:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

From what i can pin down he hits a G2 in "Star Sailor" and opens with an E5 in "Healing Festival". I've only looked at notes that i remember being noticeably high or low. This gives him just short of a 3 octave recorded singing range. Also I refute this being 'original research' on account of these notes being musical fact. Further determination of his recorded vocal limits would be most welcome. For the record surely it's his mastery of styles/tones that's more important than sheer range, no?81.172.7.7 (talk) 00:20, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Life

If anyone has more info on his personal life, it really needs some clarification in the current article. It's stated that he died next to an unnamed wife. The only marriage mentioned is that to Jeff Buckley's mother, yet Jeff Buckley's page states that he didn't really know his father, met him only once, and was raised by his mother and stepfather. Who was Tim's second wife? When did they marry and when did he divorce Mary Guibert?

[edit] Chronology Update

All Buckley albums have a stub now and the new template organises chronology the same way as the Bob Dylan pages do. That's good enough for me! Expansion to any stub is very welcome.Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Improving the article

I think things could be improved if we could include things from the biographies: Blue Melody (Lee Underwood), Dream Brother: The Lives and Music of Jeff and Tim Buckley (David Browne). I'll look to make a page for the second biography shortly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillyfolkboy (talk • contribs) 16:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I've made the lead a full-size lead but now it's about half the size of the full biography. I'm looking to expand that soon too, which in turn should negate the need for any references in the lead. Help with the main if you can. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 19:51, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Buckley and Bob Dylan

I know the press associated Tim as one of many "New Dylan"s and "Goodbye and Hello" isn't miles apart from some of Dylan's work but Buckley actually stated he didn't care much for Bob Dylan in this article:

When asked, "what do you think of Dylan?" Buckley replied, "I generally don't." I then came up with a personal question, "What is your favorite Dylan song?" He thought for a moment, and then looked up at me, and said "Desolation Row." Dylan "likes it," he explained.

I think this makes it clear. Unless you can find evidence to the contrary it's best not to say Dylan was an inspiration to Buckley. Thanks. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 12:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)