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Tiger Temple disspelling rumors
There are lots of mistruths and half truths about the tiger temple littering the internet. Finally, I have had enough and have decided to educate those who wish to debate the value of what we are trying to achieve.
Are our Tigers drugged? To me this is a ridicules statement in itself
. First and foremost we are a religious institution; secondly we have animals in our monastery. The idea of drugging our tigers goes against all that we stand for. Why are our tiger so docile? Our Tigers are socialized to people from a very young age. At one month we start to introduce our cubs to people. One of the monks sleeps in the cage with the cubs and
tends to all their needs. So at a very young age our cats learn that people pose no threat to them. By about 5 months our cubs are desensitized to people.
Our technique for raising tigers has proven extremely successful. In a zoo environment tigers are kept in a semi wild state. No matter what enrichment is added to their enclosure they become bored== unhappy tigers. Our Tigers interact daily with staff and tourists. Everyday bring new adventures and Fun. Our tigers are never bored===happy tigers. For those who do not agree with this statement………unhappy tigers do not breed.
Why are our tigers breeding? In captivity tigers never fully become comfortable with humans, in an uncomfortable environment they will not breed. When a captive tiger is born most institutions rejoice at there accomplishment. Our tigers are comfortable with humans and happy. We do not have an active breeding program. Nor do we encourage breeding. Having said this we don not try to stop them when the whim hits. I for one wouldn’t want to go into an enclosure to try to stop this.
The saddest truth in all of this is =====most people come to visit us for no more than 2 hrs and form their opinions in this short amount of time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.113.111.182 (talk) 07:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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- Captive tigers are quite easy to breed in captivity. Hence, so many establishments have tigers. If you don't have an active breeding program why are there so many cubs being born. I'm guessing it's easy enough to have separate housing for males and females. The temple as had tigers long enough to know when a female is coming on heat. Keep males and females separate. If you are going to then say you do not have enough enclosures to separate them, why are you still breeding. Where are going to put the new cubs? If they are breeding in the canyon, then don't take females who are on heat down there. There is also such a thing as contraception. You could try using that. But then I guess the public want to see cubs, don't they. Cubs must bring alot of dollars. Also, where did the Asiatic Lion cubs come from? You can't tell they were orphaned as there are no Asiatic Lions in the wild in Thailand.Florence&reuben (talk) 06:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Image queuing
I'm queuing this image until there is enough text in the article to support it. — Chameleon My page/My talk 06:23, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The picture caption says "Tourists observing the tigers" and the article text says "they are led on leashes to a nearby quarry, where they can roam around freely. Tourists may observe this from some 10 meters away,". I think that's pretty clear. Not seeing what you're after, I'm restoring the picture. AxelBoldt 11:24, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- No, no. I wasn't referring to lack of info about that particular picture.
- There was discussion about articles with a bad image-to-text ratio. I was bold and implemented this nascent policy. — Chameleon My page/My talk 12:30, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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- If you consider that image important to the article, how about queueing another one here instead? Right now the images to the right and the images at the bottom overlap with my browser window size, which isn't that small. Wikipedia lacks images, however sometimes less is more - one or two represenative images are sometimes better than 5 similar ones. andy 18:36, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Can anyone confirm that there has been an attack on a tourist? The FAQ page on the Tiger Temple website claims that there has never been an attack. I suspect that this sentence is missing the word 'never' or has come from an apocryphal source. --Stubish 05:44, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
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- Last time I was there I asked a worker at my guesthouse if anyone has been attacked and she said that a French tourist had been bitten. Could be a rumour, could be true. However, the 'temple' is unlikley to report it (It's actually no longer classed as a temple as it no longer supports enough monks to qualify) as they are increasingly revenue-driven. Chuckygobyebye 07:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
"will live out a life of non violence and, according to the Buddhist beliefs of the monks, be more likely to be reincarnated as a human in their next life"
- Where is this from that they'll be reborn as humans? From the national geographic documentary, the monks say they believe the animals are friends family and other monks reborn as the tigers and other animals in the temple. humans are considered pretty low on the scale of being reborn, buddhism says human life is full of suffering.
[edit] Edit Summaries
Hey, there's a lot of edits that aren't being explained, can future editors fill in the edit sumamries or mark them as minor? Chuckygobyebye 07:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, you can certainly get closer than 10 meters to the tigers - my daughter Kayleigh sat on Skywards and appears on the latest edition of the magazine "Nanfa" (June 2007). These animals are truly remarkable and quite docile - if there had ever been any attacks on tourists, i certainly would not have allowed her to sit on one of them. This is truly a worthwhile project that certainly deserves more support. Sonia Kittle, Bangkok
[edit] Tigers Drugged?
I was doing a bit of research. I had not heard of this before, but some tourists think that the tigers are drugged. Is this a viable controversy? I haven't been able to find any thing worth referencing.
Here is a travel forum with opinions http://forum.virtualtourist.com/discussion-376907-1-1-Travel-0-0-Thailand-discussion.html Here is a thread that has an answer from the monestary... still nothing scientific, but National Geographic didn't mention a contraversy. http://thorntree.lonelyplanet.com/messagepost.cfm?postaction=reply&catid=51&threadid=814487&messid=6926319&STARTPAGE=1&parentid=0&from=1&showall=true
I want to visit there, but I don't want to support mistreatment of animals. 69.104.69.113 01:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
These folks heard about the temple and went there themselves as volunteers: http://www.tigertemple.co.uk/story.htm. They say the allegations that the tigers are drugged are completely false. The tiger temple website (http://www.tigertemple.org/Eng/good_q.htm) also says they're not drugged and explains why they seem tired when tourists visit (tigers hunt between dusk and dawn when it is coolest and are thus understandably more lethargic during the heat of the day). Of course, reading it somewhere other than on the official website or from someone who doesn't stand to gain or lose anything from telling the truth was a relief to me. Klandagi (talk) 22:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I know the people that volunteered at the temple http://www.tigertemple.co.uk/story.htm as I volunteered at the temple before, during and after their stay. I think that if they went back they would have a very different view of the temple. I also believe that when the truth comes out about the temple, that the people who support this moneymaking tourists trap will feel ashamed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florence&reuben (talk • contribs) 02:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] The lies and the truth.
How do you distinguish between the lies and the truth about the tiger temple? All you can do is look at what is being said and who is saying it.
Ask yourself why would people lie and what is there to be gained from lying. I think that the temple has the most to gain from lying. They are the ones that are trying to protect their livelihood. Think before you support this place. Do research and listen to everyones opinion. Try to think what this person has to gain from saying it.
Read the history from wikipedia. Why are you only allow to say good things? Why does everyone want to silence anyone who has a different side to this story?
Research, research, research. Talk to the Thai Department of National Parks, Care for the Wild International, WSPA and Bornfree. Listen to ex volunteers and tourists that have visited. Both sides of the story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florence&reuben (talk • contribs) 07:43, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
