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[edit] tigers vs bears
It's reasonable to mention that brown bears also killed tigers (including adult male tigers). Otherwise this section is looking somewhat biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.218.12.80 (talk) 20:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
No because that isn't a common occurance at all, and when this does occur this is mainly because of a fight over food or protecting cubs. However, the opposite can be said as adult siberian tigers have killed adult brown bears. There are some that even put bear cubs as a prey item of tigers because this tigers killing bear cubs isn't out of the ordinary.Mcelite (talk) 21:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)mcelite
What does your "no" mean? There is an account of tigers killed by brown bears (including male adult tigers). Your "no" means that you want to favor only one side of the conflict. Did you read any original research paper on this subject?
My no means that it doesn't happen often enough to mention. Yes adult male tigers have been killed by brown bears and vice versa. I do study all big cats including the small cats. There has been some research done on this, but not extensively. You could even watch Animal Planet or Discovery Channel programs which sadly at times out due scientific journals because you can visually see what's going on.Mcelite (talk) 03:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)mcelite
In Peter Matthiessen's book, Tigers in the Snow , he writes that fights have gone both ways, and that both species avoid the adult male of the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kron650 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Very true especially since cats often try there hardest to avoid fights which is an actually reason why house cats run away from dogs. They try to avoid confrontation as much as possible.Mcelite (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)mcelite
"My no means that it doesn't happen often enough to mention". Killing adult brown bears by tigers does not happen often enough, however, it's mentioned. The other way around happens as well, I don't see any reason to hide this info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.64.77.99 (talk) 10:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Well it has to be cited from a reliable source that shows that the fights do go both ways and that it is not biased.Mcelite (talk) 16:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)mcelite
+1--Altaileopard (talk) 18:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
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- See Talk:Tiger/Archive 2#brown bear as prey--Altaileopard (talk) 18:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
For instance, russian scientist Kostoglod examined all reliable encounters (until 1977) and found that in 9 cases a brown bear has killed a tiger and in 11 cases the other way around.
Kostoglod V.E. Relations between Amur tiger and Brown and Black Asiatic Bears in the Primorsky region // Rare mammal species and their conservation. Moscow, "Nauka", 1977
Another modern scientist, I. Seredkin, has mentioned 12 known cases when a tiger was killed by a brown bear.
Seredkin, Ivan. The ecology, behavior, management and conservation status of brown bears in Sikhote-Alin (in Russian). Far Eastern National University, Vladivostok, Russia, pp. 1-252
There is no modern or historical evidence of male fully-grown brown bears killed by tigers. The largest one (see Geptner and Sludsky) is a 170 kg male adult bear which is far from being a big Ursus arctos lasiotus. Brown bears are also known to kill adult male tigers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.218.12.80 (talk) 14:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
page can not open. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pharohxz (talk • contribs) 23:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
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- "There is no modern or historical evidence of male fully-grown brown bears killed by tigers."
- Did you not read the wikilink?: Talk:Tiger/Archive 2#brown bear as prey.--Altaileopard (talk) 14:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] male tigers vs male lions
Well, as much as it is true that the biggest male tigers are about 100 pounds heavier than the biggest male lions (400 vs 500 pounds) one should not forget to mention that tigers live in colder countries and that therefore they are quite adipose compared to lions as they are made almost solely of muscles and bones. And also one should mention the dense mane is a superb protection of the endangered neck and throat area. Tigers have a naked neck and lack this protection. Regarding all this a male lion is much stronger and a better fighter than a male tiger. --Mustafa Mustamann (talk) 01:31, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Tiger's poor fate
To me tigers are mysterious,dangerous, and adorable ...of course ppl would think why do you find an animal that can rip your face off so adorable?
Well if you knew as much as i did about tigers you would know that as cubs their fathers will sometimes attack and possibly even kill their cubs just because of pure jealousy...of course if the mother were to interfere then they would die as well....
Because of their beautiful coats they are able to hide in their environment....but are also hunted because of it....of the many types of tigers 3 are extinct just because of this...and now all of the tigers are highly close to being extinct...they are very endangered.
I'm sure those have heard that there are people that tearing down trees...where if you look at it over 3 billion species live...including the tiger in these areas...this is why the zoos have been taking special care of them and why there are secret locations on where they are trying to regain the loss of tigers.
Many people in China have a belief that various tiger parts have medicinal properties killing them for purposes of medicine. There is no proof to support these beliefs. The use of tiger parts medicine use in China is already banned, and the government has made it clear that if they were to be caught this would be punishable by death. This has been banned in China since 1993. Still, there are a number of tiger farms in the country where they are breeding the cats for MONEY. It is estimated that between 4000 and 5000 captured, wild animals live in these farms today.China's wealthy businessmen are known to eat tiger penis as they feel it is a must do thing.
As you can see some people are sick...truly sick...but its in there heritage and though we have laws,there is somehow still animal cruelty and there is nothing we can do as hard as we try...fortunately there are people who but their lives in danger not only by being around these ferocious cats but because people are still hunting them and yet as they put their lives in danger they take care of these big cats and usually create a special bond with them appears...
- I find hippos adorable and people often ask me, "Jay, why do you find hippos so adorable when they could rip your face off?" All fun aside, there's a good book about the use of tigers in Chinese medicine called "Tiger Bone & Rhino Horn" and the IUCN and WWF operate a program called TRAFFIC which monitors illegal trades in the animals. traffic.org. Both would be good sources for improving this article's coverage of those topics, imo. --JayHenry (talk) 04:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Tiger (6 votes) is the collaboration for April-May 2008
Support:
- .Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- --JayHenry (t) 06:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- --Altaileopard. Looks good. Some more citations in the text would be nice... and I will expand the range a little more.
- -- Bobisbob (talk) 16:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- -- Anaxial (talk) 07:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
- -- Shyamal (talk) 11:40, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Comments:
- Like lion was last year, large and a bit of a mess. A few have poked into it a bit but would really need a concerted push and a collaboration would facilitate this. Also instrumental in making a Big Cats Featured Topic. A con is we have a number of cat articles so it may be good to do something really different....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Visibility/importance. This article gets viewed over 200,000 times a month! --JayHenry (t) 06:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Bobisbob (talk) 16:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
- Time for another high profile animal - and they don't come much higher than this. Anaxial (talk) 07:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Just in case it's useful, my sister is a tiger expert at ZSL. I'd be happy to contact her to try to get pointers to sources needed, if that would be helpful. Mike Christie (talk) 22:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] How long can they live?
I wanted to know how long tigers can live but it is not written in the article. Is their average life span comparable to the average life span of lions? --Tubesship (talk) 07:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
