Talk:Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina)

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Contents 1 NPOV & Capital 1.1 Districts and Capitals 2 Incomplete map 3 Just Curious... 4 Infobox 5 Article Name 6 Requested move 6.1 Survey 6.2 Discussion 6.3 Done

[edit] NPOV & Capital

A couple of points:

• Let's be careful to be NPOV over the sovereignty disputes. I've improved the balance, but it will need a fair amount more work.
• Does anyone know what city the Argentines consider de jure to be the capital of "Islas del Atlántico Sur", or is there none? Since the Argentines don't actually hold any cities in the department, the de facto answer is obvious, but is there a city laid down in law? Pfainuk 13:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no Islas del Atlántico Sur alone, there are all a single province called Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica, and South Atlantic Islands and the capital is Ushuaia. --Jor70 14:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

OK - I wasn't very clear before. I appreciate that it's all the same province, but in the article we split the province into departments (Ushuaia, Río Grande, Islas del Atlántico Sur and Antártida Argentina), listing capitals for all but the South Atlantic Islands. Argentine Antarctica clearly is not under full Argentine sovereignty either but we still list a capital - I am wondering if that's just speculation, mind.

If the South Atlantic Islands department has a capital under Argentine law then it'd be worth adding IMO - though I suppose it's unlikely that Argentine law gives every department a capital specifically... Pfainuk 14:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Districts and Capitals

Beyond the 1991 First Constitution for the new Province of Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur, there aren't an administrative level called "district".

There is the Provincial State, and then the "Municipalidades" (Ushuaia and Rio Grande) and "Comunas" (like a little town, Tolhuin). Municipios and Comunas are the second and last state level. I have not found a "district" division.

No more capitals are needed except Ushuaia (that rules, in theory, Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and the groups of islands.) I don´t know if this organisation have been modified.I think all these explanation could be written with more diplomacy and accuracy. But it´s no easy.- At least, I think it´s better now.--

[edit] Incomplete map

Hello everyone. I'm not a regular wikipedian so I'm not registered but please take this suggestion into consideration anyway. I believe the map you're showing is incomplete because the entire Province also includes the Malvinas/Falklands Islands, the South Atlantic Islands and the Antartic territories. I know these are disputed territories but they should be shown because that's how the province is officialy formed. In the map there should be a note stating the disputed state.

[edit] Just Curious...

I hope someone might help me with this, but, I was reading this, and i wonder, can anyone live on argentine antartica? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.52.131 (talk) 22:55, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

While this isn't intended as a discussion forum on the subject, if you're still interested, people do live in that part of Antarctica claimed by Argentina - there are many research bases on the Antarctic Peninsula and the islands around it, from many countries. Nonetheless, the people living there are pretty much all scientists and the area has no permanent population in any practical sense of the term. Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Anyone better at templates than me able to get sort out the awkward malformed links below the flag and COA? They come from the fact that there are line breaks in the name of the province in English above - but if the line breaks are simply removed, the infobox becomes unmanageably wide because the name of the province is so long. Is it possible to set the width of the box and allow the names to wrap or something? Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC) - The following section was originally part of this one so I have just added this sig to identify me Pfainuk talk 10:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article Name

On a separate point, I think the article name ought to be changed since the version we're using at the moment doesn't seem to be the most common.

Excluding Wikipedia mirrors (with a "-wiki -wikipedia"), my google search for "Tierra del Fuego Antarctica and South Atlantic Islands" Province - which includes versions with commas - gives 439 hits of which all but 38 are considered "very similar" to the original 38. "Tierra del Fuego Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur" Province gives 341, including Encarta mapping. "Tierra del Fuego" Province gives 554000. Add the word "Argentina" to the end and you still get 338000 hits.

Encyclopedia Britannica uses simply "Tierra del Fuego" and so far as I can see, Encarta uses both the short version and the Spanish version, but not the English translation of the Spanish version.

Obviously the third search is limited in that the Chileans also have a province called Tierra del Fuego, and it includes the hits from the other two searched. Nonetheless I think the difference is large enough to suggest this article is currently not named in accordance with WP:NCGN. Obviously the official name should be noted prominently in the lead of the article and at the top of the infobox, as is done with other areas such as Mexico, Bavaria and Germany, but I don't think the full name is the most common name used in English. Non-English results should be filtered out because province is not a Spanish word, and neither French- or Italian-speakers use the term "Tierra del Fuego".

Based on this, I would suggest we move this article to "Tierra del Fuego Province, Argentina" or "Tierra del Fuego Province (Argentina)". I would then rewrite the lead to, say,

Tierra del Fuego (officially: Provincia de Tierra del Fuego, Antártida e Islas del Atlántico Sur) is a province...

If the infobox can be sorted, we can probably fit in the full English name as well without spilling on to an extra line, though I don't see it's necessary since it's already in the infobox. Any thoughts? Pfainuk talk 15:59, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move