Talk:Tidewater glacier cycle

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A fact from Tidewater glacier cycle appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 13 October 2007.

The author of this article may have simply copied text from a paper he himself wrote, but not sure. He and or I will need 24 hours to clean it up and remove the copyvio issues.--MONGO 17:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The text here does pull from Vines disseration, which takes a great deal from Post (1975). The article here also takes a considerable amount from Pelto (1987) and Pelto and Miller (1990). The former is a summary sectiion of the Viens dissertatiion and is well put. I have contacted the author for permission. This is only a starting point and the article will diverge. The key reference for this article is really Post (1975) not the internet page cited. All of us who work on tidewater glaciers rely on Post who first identified this tidewater cycle as this page cites. You will see that as details are added the page will pull in other sources and will rely less on the Viens dissertation and the Pelto publications. It will be expanded to include the work on Warren in Patagonia and work by Jania in Svalbard.Peltoms 18:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The first step in the process has been completed. Material has been rearranged, and the reference list much expanded. Considerable coverage of non-Alaskan glacier added as well. Additional images and examples will be added in the coming details to further highlight the cycle and where specific glaciers are in the cycle.Thanks for your patiencePeltoms 19:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Fascinating content. I did some copyediting. The article addresses two topics. 1) A description of the tidewater glacier cycle of advance/retreat. 2) The response of such glaciers to climate change. I think it is important to be clear on the latter point, because I suspect that examples of advancing tidewater glaciers have been used by the GW skeptics to argue against its existance. I wonder if it might be better, however, to move most of the content addressing the second point to a separate section so that it can be discussed in detail after the first point has been covered. Climate has to be mentioned, in the first section, as a factor that may trigger advance or retreat. But, such mention could be brief, I think. An important point is that the cycle is not caused by GW. That sort of confusion might be minimized by separating the two sections. I don't have strong feelings about this, but did want to share my thoughts.

I removed the db-copyvio. With the explanation above and the rather extensive editing that has occurred since it was tagged, it seems to me that the copyvio tag is not needed. Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 TGC nominated for DYK 2 Content reorganization 3 DYK 4 Article citations 5 Photographs

[edit] TGC nominated for DYK

I have nominated Tidewater glacier cycle for Did you know. Please review my nomination and fix or improve it. Please see WP:DYK for more information. Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I won't have time to finish the rest fo the inline cites for acouple of days...just to let you know...but to get it into DYK, the article generally must be less than a week old....so not sure Saturday is soon enough.--MONGO 09:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I will continue to make numerous additions in the next week. After that the text will need work I am sure, but I will not add any more citations. I will also be adding some images at that point. I still want to focus on Icy Bay and expand the examples from Patagonia.Peltoms 19:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Content reorganization

I added some inline cites and reorganized the content somewhat. It is probably premature since Peltoms is planning to make numerous additions, but I thought it might improve the chances for DYK selection if some cosmetic improvements were made. Adding some paragraph breaks, would help too, I think.

The ordered list (with # signs and breaks) seemed unworkable, so I tried subheadings instead. I added a couple of other sections including the "effects of climate change" section that I proposed above. I hope we can expand this section to address the arguments of the GW skeptics. Anyhow, keep or remove as seems best to you.

Mbz1 (talk · contribs) has contributed a number of good images that may be relevant to the article. I added one, but the one at right is very good too. Others are at User:Mbz1/Mbz1_gallery/Picture_Gallery_by_subject#Arctic.2C_Antarctic_and_sub-Antarctic_Islands and Image:Calving_glacier_at_Alaska.JPG --Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Did you know? was updated. On 13 October 2007, a fact from the article Tidewater glacier cycle, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--WjBscribe 08:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The above was copied from User talk:Wsiegmund. Walter Siegmund (talk) 12:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations all! There were a lot of nominations and TGC was chosen to be the first listing in the DYK section on the main page. Expect to see some edit activity today. Walter Siegmund (talk) 12:12, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice work...the article will probably expand more soon...I recommend shooting for a "Good Article" rating at least after further enhancements are incorporated. I already upgraded it to a "B" rating.--MONGO 17:20, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Mongo I have a question reagarding use of google earth imagery to highlight glacier changes and using these images in Wikipedia. Despite the partnership the two organizations have neither makes it easy to understand how this could be done, in terms of the licencising method one would choose. I would like to use a few images to highlight the tidewater glacier cycle, much as I have done on the retreat of Juneau Icefield Glaciers page [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peltoms (talk • contribs) 19:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article citations

I added the remaining references. They seemed obvious, but Peltoms, you might look them over. Do you want to leave the "Other references" as is or embed them inline in the article? MONGO, what else needs to be done to make this a good article? --Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:10, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

As much as possible, all references should be in the text body as inline citations. As I went and did many of these before, I removed them as I progressed from the external links section, since they were in the text. Looks like we only have a couple more left...a good article is one goal, but if we can add a little bit more and ensure we have covered the topic in it's entirety, I would suggest sending it to peer review and then to the featured article review as well. There is no requirement that a featured article be longish such as Retreat of glaciers since 1850 is...in fact, there are many articles that are quite short that are also featured. So long as we follow Wikipedia:Featured article criteria, then that is all that matters. So I guess I'll shoot Peltoms and email and see if he has anything more he thinks the article needs to be "completed".--MONGO 06:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photographs

Mbz1 (talk · contribs) has called my attention to some photos that she uploaded recently. The following may be of particular interest for this article. Walter Siegmund (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)