Talk:Tibetan Mastiff
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[edit] Colors
The article said that Tibetan Mastiffs are typically all black, I'm not sure thats true seeing as I've only seen one solid black Tibetan. The tan markings mentioned usually occur. Is there any source for the "usually all black" statement? They are very few that are all black. They also come in other colors such as every shade of gold, red and sable that you can imagine. More rare are the gray and gray with cream points. This portion of it is certainly incorrect.
[edit] Lion Head/Tiger Head
Some anon user added info describing "lion head" and "tiger head" tibetan mastiffs. Google revealed nothing about this at all, so i reverted it. If someone can provide a source for this, maybe it should be added back. Trysha (talk) 09:42, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
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I think the anon user refered to the hair around the neck of Tibetian Mastiff. In traditional Chinese categorization of Tibetian Mastiff, Lion Head refers to those Tibetian Mastiff who have thick coat around their neck like those in lions, whereas tiger head refers to those who do not have. As for skin, a term "golden coin leopard" refers to Tibetian Mastiff who have rather dark skill with yellow spots, like the spots you find in leopard.
The article says something about the almost extinction which is not true. There are still wild Mastiff in Tibet, and there were close to 400,000 Tibetian Mastiff in Tibet in early 90's. Tibetian mastiff are also bred in Northern China including Inner Mongolia. They were used by Biao Ju (the security guard companies employed by the Government and merchants for protection of the transfer of precious goods). For example, Da Sheng Guai was the largest armed logistic company in China and had tradings as far west as Moscow. They bred their own Tibetian Mastiff, and the dogs had their company shares. This company had four types of stock shares: of the two owner families, the employers, the so-called "God of Fortune", and the dogs. Two gentlemen from Shanxi Province in northern China found the company in 17th century in Inner Mongolia doing Russian trade, and one mysterious customer asked them to look after two boxes and said he would return the next day. He never came back and after ten years they opened and found out there were silver coins. They used this silver coin and called it "God of Fortune" stocks and the company kept it till mid 1900's. The origin of Mastiff stock was at one time in the 17th century their caravans were intersected by a bandits. The Mastiff dogs guarded them and one doy was send to ask for help and eventually helps came and they were saved. From then on the dog share was created and the profit was used to provide the best training and food to the dogs.
Dog is really the mirror image of God.
Karolus 2006/5/26
[edit] TM Types
From what I can find on various breeder websites, it appears there are two archetype Tibetan Mastiffs - the huge mastiff type (Tsang-khyi) and the smaller (still large) shepherd type (Do-khyi). Tsang-khyi are a true "mastiff" (i.e. similar characteristics to other mastiffs) whereas Do-khyi are finer featured (although still very large). Do-khyi breeders don't mention this difference (by and large), while Tsang-khyi breeders are keen to suggest that Tsang-khyi are the only true Tibetan Mastiff breed. Whichever the case, there is certainly a discernable variation in the size and features of Tibetan Mastiffs. Georgia 00:30, 4 May 2006 (EST)
It seems quite clear that many types of TM can be found in native land, but there is still a discussion amongst researchers about which can be the correct names for different types. Anyway being "do khyi" the word tibetan people use for tibetan guarding dogs, this should be the name for the whole "breed", including all sub-types.
lion and tiger types are actually described in chinese breed standard, which probably soon will became adopted as the official international standard.
In Tibetan, Mongol and Mandarin usage, Tsang-khyi refers to Zang Ao or Tibetan Ao, whereas Do-khyi refer to working dog with Tsang-khyi blood. Traditionally in Inner Mongolia Tsang-khyi was crossed breed with dogs whose father were wolves raised by human and mother other large working dogs in Northern China. These dogs are called Er Dai Ao or Second Generation Ao. Ao is an Classical Chinese word meaning Big Working Dog, and is usually translated as Mastiff in English.
Karolus 20080403 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.190.32.7 (talk) 12:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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