Talk:Tiamat (Dungeons & Dragons)

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The following discussion is an archived debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The result of the merge debate was do not merge. --Muchness 20:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Merge proposal

  • Oppose -- articles are about two different things. User:Mrwuggs appears to be trying to get more exposure for Tiamat (planet) by eliminating acknowledgement of other Tiamat disambiguations. -- JHunterJ 18:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose per JHunterJ. Leibniz 19:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Rather than those who oppose having to explain their reasons, shouldn't the person who proposed the merger list his/her reason(s)? Since no explanation for the proposed merger is given, could we simply remove the merge tag?--Robbstrd 20:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
    Beats me. After undoing some of Mrwuggs' work on Tiamat and Tiamat (disambiguation), I do at least appreciate the less intrusive method of a simple merge tag here, which should reach its (hopefully) obvious conclusion and that will be that. -- JHunterJ 20:41, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, as stated before, the articles are about different things. ddcc 16:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, it seems hard to find any common ground for the basis of a merge other than the name. 152.7.54.199 06:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC) User:Ikanreed
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

[edit] Incorrect image source

The image in the article is not Tiamat. It is a similar painting but was created for a Dragonlance character.

  • While created for DL, the five-headed multi-colored dragon in the background is at least an accurate depiction of the physical form of Tiamat. zogetaur (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:22, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tiamat =/= Takhisis

Will someone please give a verification for them being the same entity? To my knowledge, they aren't. DDSaeger (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

  • They were the same entity in the 1e Manual of the Planes. However they were openly -not- the same entity in 2e sources, and again -not- the same entity in 3rd edition sources. For roughly 20 years they've been distinctly different entities. It's a historical quirk that they were once assumed to be the same in very early sources, which deserves a footnote on the wiki entries for Tiamat and for Takhisis.Shemeska (talk) 17:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I'll agree with all of that, completely. BOZ (talk) 18:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
  • While a footnote is obviously appropriate, completely identifying them in the introduction is not. I'll change that when I find some time, unless someone is ahead of me. DDSaeger (talk) 17:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I believe the entity in question was first defined in the 1e MM, without reference to Takhisis. "Takhisis" in the 1e MotP may have been included to show similarity to the main antagonist of the DragonLance milieu, or how a denizen of the outer planes may form the core of a specific Prime Material mythos; as previously noted they are distinct entities. zogetaur (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:05, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

The article has plenty of references to notability. Anyone care to explain the tags? And this isn't very in-universe at all... Hobit (talk) 03:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

There are no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability;95% of the article is plot summary with an in universe perspective. If you wish to contest this, put the article forward for peer review at RFC. Do not arbitrarily remove the templates are you are doing on other articles. --Gavin Collins (talk) 05:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
You are welcome to bring this, to an RFC if you wish also. Hobit (talk) 03:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)