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[edit] More Information on the Production and Special Effects needed.

I think this article definitely needs more specific information on the special effects in the scenes:

1) How were the futuristic city add ins made?
2) How were the holograms added to film?
3) Did they use rotoscoping, rendering or models? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.0.214.243 (talk) 16:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Ripoff of Logan's Run

I've often thought of this comparison and now I think it's time to add thins to Wikipedia. Logan's Run the novel was published in 1967, the same year that THX was originally made. The novel was later turned into a film in 1976. Seeing both movies, they are almost identical. I wonder if anyone else shares this same opinion with me. Given Lucas's penchant for blatantly stealing ideas for his work, I think this is a very plausible theory. Before I make the addition to the main page, I want to post here, hear some more ideas, and avoid an edit war.

Where did you read this? Recury 03:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


Almost identical? How?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.158.130 (talk) 12:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Lots of science fiction is based around dystopian/futuristic/oppressive plotlines. without impartial research to refer to or specific comments from lucas to support such a theory it is not worth mentioning. after reviewing both logans run and thx1138 my personal opinion is they are NOT the same anyway - in neither plot OR construction. Its like calling star wars and star trek the same because their both set in space.

[edit] Question about SEN and Nixon

Some of SEN's dialogue is taken from speeches by Richard Nixon

Does anyone know which lines and from which speeches? I wasn't able to find any source or proof that supports this statement in the article. Siyavash 16:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Then you should take it out or else post a "citation needed". I haven't seen the movie in decades, so I couldn't say one way or the other. Wahkeenah 19:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The line about SEN's dialogue being taken from speeches by Richard Nixon was probably taken from the DVD. I own the DVD, and remember hearing George Lucas talk about it in the director's commentary during the scene where THX and SEN are in the white-room/prison.--Geedubber 21:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
It's true, it mostly in the white "jail". If you turn on the commentary at that scene, you will here them shortly mentioning it. --Steinninn 03:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joyce Numerology

1+1=(2) A=B A+B=( ) $1+$1=($2)

In front of person there is a garden. In front of the entrance to the garden there are three stones. One on the ground, one on top of the one on the ground, and one on the top of the one on the one that is on top of the one on the ground with a peice of rope tied around it. Nature made the person then nature balanced the stone but who tied the rope around the top stone and why is what the sun asked at the end of the movie.

Some people are blinded by the light of nature, others embrace, yet others throw stones.

I can jump so high others can not, I could crawl so fast and others never breathed air and became born. What this movie tells us is what we can do, why we can do some things is what we need to ask ourselves when we can not see the garden because of the blinding light of logic which colors our existence.

If I needed someone to explain this movie to me, I'd pick someone who can count better. Your description of the "third" stone implies a fourth one in there somewhere. As for the sunset, Lucas himself has said repeatedly "it's just a sunset".Skyraider 4 July 2005 05:05 (UTC)

Lucas' use of the number 1138 can be seen as a tinkered allusion to the numerology employed by James Joyce, who used the number 1132 throughout Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake. According to Joseph Campbell, the number 1132, which repeats throughout Joyce's works in adresses and times of day among other things, can be best seen as a number symbolizing the fall of man ("32 feet per second per second," Leopold Bloom's manta of the rate of falling objects) and rebirth/redemption ("11" being the first new number in a cycle.)

Has Lucas himself ever mentioned Joyce's 1132 as influencing his choice of 1138? If there isn't a specific source to confirm that, the above paragraph is original research and should be removed. Lucas *was* a student of Joseph Campbell, so it's possible, but I'd like to see something specific to confirm that it's not just a coincidence. Skyraider 4 July 2005 05:05 (UTC)

Lucas' employing Joyce's numerology provides some interesting insights into the nature of his films, especially his epic Star Wars narrative. Multiplied together, Joyce's numbers produce the number 6, the number of episodes in Lucas' film cycle. One can then see the number 1138 as 1132+6=1138. Furthermore, Lucas' protagonist Anakin Skywalker undergoes the same transformative experiences implied by 1132--a fall from grace and redemption. Another multiplication process of the numbers, 3x2x11=66, produces the number of the the Emperor's holocaust command against the Jedi, Order 66.

I'm removing the above for the following reasons:
1) This is an article about THX-1138, not the Star Wars films.
2) When Lucas created the original short THX1138:4EB in 1967, he hadn't even sketched out the Star Wars storyline, much less decided on 6 films.
3) When Lucas *did* start creating the Star Wars saga, he planned 9 films, not 6, knocking your numerology into a cocked hat. It's only more recently that he decided to forgo Episodes 7-9.
4) Do you know how common "Fall from Grace -> Redemption" is as a plotline?
Skyraider 4 July 2005 05:05 (UTC)


It's been several months, and nobody has offered a citation to justify the inclusion of Joyceian numerology in this article. I'm removing it. --Skyraider 21:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think I ran over a Wookie

During the car chase scene a voiceover clearly says words to the effect of "I think I ran over a Wookie". I seem to recall this was mentioned in an earlier version of the article but it is not present now. Is there a good reason the line is missing? Apparently when Lucas heard this line he liked the name and used it in Star Wars. Robert Brockway 08:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe they didn't want the article to sound like a transcription of the DVD commentary? Though that wouldn't explain why they left the other 10 paragraphs of "trivia." Recury 14:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
That bit of trivia was also removed from the imdb page so maybe it didn't actually happen?--Geedubber 19:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it happened, they point out where he says it in one of the featurettes or whatever they're called on the DVD. It still shouldn't be in the article though. Recury 01:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know why not. I'm actually in favor of a "Star Wars connections" section since there are a number of other terms from THX-1138 (including the name of the film) that appears in the first Star Wars films. 23skidoo 05:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Recury, why on Earth do you say it should not be included? Many articles include trivia. It is very clear in the audio and quite an odd statement that deserves some comment, especially when the nonsense word lives on Robert Brockway 06:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Just because there are a lot of Star Wars connections doesn't mean they should all be put in this article. Just because a lot of articles include trivia doesn't mean that they should. This article's trivia section is already absurdly long (a problem I will be fixing shortly). If it deserves comment, it deserves it at Wookiee. Recury 15:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The trivia section contains a lot of references from other films, many of which are then duplicated in the section with references from other films!

[edit] Trivia add  : Nine Inch Nails

Nine Inch Nails sample the film for the album " The Downward Spiral". It is also important to note Renzor wrote the song "we're in this together" from the fragile which references a quote from the film.

[edit] 1138 Trivia

I don't know how to put in references on the original article (and at the moment I don't have time to figure it out), but the Trivia section of this article says it doesn't have references. Most of the facts listed there are from the Internet Movie Database, if anyone wants to put the reference in the right format. If not, I'll come back and try to do it myself...

The URL for the page is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066434/trivia

Laurie Tubawiki 06:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


Under the 1138 (number) page there is a lot of trivia about 1138 already. Why is it duplicated here ? Or should that section over there be brought here ? WendelScardua 15:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

A vast majority of the trivia section is a word-for-word lift from the imdb trivia page. Copyright violations can't be left in, so I am stripping everything from "George Lucas claims..." to "Lucas's original plan..." We can work any of it back nto the main text, if need be. Tarc 03:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] X3 character based on THX-1138?

  • Should it be noted that the character of Leech (the cure of the mutant gene) in X3: The Last Stand looks very much like THX-1138? He is dressed in white, has a shaved head, and is kept in a sterile-looking white room?

[edit] Film Cost?

Can someone please find out how much this film actually cost? I doubt that it was exactly 77,777,777.77 I would guess this is vandalism, but I'm unsure.

Jeroorda 01:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, that's the silliest thing I've seen in a few days. $777,777.77 is no estimate.

I have to agree. Anyone got any real figures? AKismet 03:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

In the Making Of thing on the DVD, Lucas says that that is what Coppola set the budget at. Recury 13:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The year the film was made

List_of_science_fiction_films says it was shot in 1970. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.20.244.254 (talk) 19:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] References Section

The "References in other media" section repeats a ton of stuff that's also found in 1138 (number). Should that section be changed to a quick, paragraph-form summary of references with a link to more references at the 1138 page? If so, be sure to move all references that are here but not at the 1138 page to the 1138 page. Tophtucker 04:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Similarity to Breath of Fire?

One of the trivia points is that the plot of one of the Breath of Fire games is remarkably similar to that of this movie. If "Underground Dystopia, escape sequence to Earth's surface that is now inhabitable" is all that's the same, that is much too weak a connection to be anything other than coincidence, lacking evidence to the contrary. On the other hand, maybe there are more extensive similarities or a connection between the two. Would someone more familiar with the Breath of Fire series than I am put this one to rest one way or the other? 24.118.231.95 03:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vague grammar

Under the director's cut section this sentence appears: "Fan and critical reaction to this version was mixed, although any negative commentary was far more low key than the backlash Lucas faced with altering the Star Wars films. This likely due to the relative popularity of the films."

This is confusing, is it trying to be said that: A)star wars is far more popular then THX 1138,or the oppisite. B)both are popular and therefore fans do not want them altered. The sentence is also speculation & "this likely due" is poor grammar. I will remove it and if someone wants to put it back plz clarify. --Wilson 12:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corrected OMM 0910's identity

OMM's icon was incorrectly given as Albrecht Dürer's self portrait. The differences between the two are seen here: [1]. It clearly resembles Hans Memling's painting 'Christ Giving His Blessing' seen here: [2]. --CrinklyCrunk 18:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

That's great, but we need a citation for this: "looks like" is not definitive enough. Can you find an interview with Lucas (or other person connected to the film) where this is stated? (Also, moved comment to the bottom, as is common practice on WP). Doctormatt 18:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
I think it's not a question of source, it very deffenetly is the painting by Hans Memling. Although in the commentary (at 17:50) Walter Murch mistakenly thinks it's a painting by Lucas Cranach the Elder, „...yet the actual image that you see in the confessional is a renesounce painting of Christ... I think by Lucas Cranach“. No question, he was right about it beeing a painting of Christ, but it's not by Cranach. --Steinninn 17:03, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
We need not discuss this no more, here are enough images to identify it Electronic Labyrinth, Feature length, Christ Giving His Blessing and IMDb source. --Steinninn 05:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
There are two paintings by Hans Memling called Christ Giving His Blessing: (1478) (1481). Image:Christ Giving His Blessing.jpg is the 1478 version; IMDb has the wrong date. --Jtir (talk) 21:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Similarities to Equilibrium?

Certainly, the idea of people have their emotions controlled by the Govt. mandated, complusory use of drugs, and having at least one main character stop taking the drug, is the same as in Equilibrium. --81.105.176.121 13:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OMM 0910 or OMM 0000

I thought it was zero zero zero zero, am I wrong. Where dose the 0910 come from? --Steinninn 05:46, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

The official site says 0910, though it's hard to give a link- it's deep in a fairly confusing flash site. Staecker 21:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
But in the original short film, it's 0000. I think we should use that as source rather then a homepage that might not be 100% accurate. --Steinninn 16:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
It's not just "a homepage"- it's the official website for the film. The short is a different film, in which THX's name is THX 1138 4EB. So a different name there shouldn't be a surprise. Staecker (talk) 17:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm just saying that the filmmakers are often not involved in creating the official homepage and so the creators of the homepage might have filled in some gaps, like creating the four digit number for OMM all by them selves without asking the writers of the film. I'm still not sure witch one to use :/ --Steinninn 01:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:THX1138.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:200491623014948.jpg

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[edit] Shot locations?

When THX and SRT are avoiding the police, the end up in a large electronic center of some sort. Anyone know where it was? It looks too big to be a telephone switch, and I doubt they would have let them film at a SAGE. Maury (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2008 (UTC)