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[edit] Independent comics based films

v • d • e Independent-comics films
Single films	Judge Dredd (1995) · Tank Girl (1995) · Barb Wire (1996) · Spawn (1997) From Hell (2001) · Ghost World (2001) · American Splendor (2003) · Bulletproof Monk (2003) · The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (2003) · 300 (2007)
Franchises	Hellboy: Hellboy (2004) · Hellboy 2: The Golden Army (2008) Men in Black: Men in Black (1997) · Men in Black II (2002) The Crow: The Crow (1994) · The Crow: City of Angels (1996) The Mask: The Mask (1994) · Son of the Mask (2004) Sin City: Sin City (2005) · Sin City 2 (2008)
Animated	Hellboy: Hellboy: Sword of Storms (2006) · Hellboy: Blood and Iron (2007)

[edit] Cap research

http://www.geocities.com/mbrown123/greatest_comics/captainamerica1.html includes date.

this marvel release http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Masterworks-Golden-Captain-America/dp/0785116192 challenges the 'marvel knows best' idea.

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=9899&si=123 This auction house image has a fully graded sealed version, with blue stripes and date on cover.

[edit] Comments

The templates look good, but can I suggest using something thicker than the bullets used between titles? Instead of ·, use •. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

A couple of other items: There should be spacing between "Batman (year)" in the first template. Also, Batman got split, while Superman didn't (and I realize the latter has an odd continuity issue). Is there a way to address this? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

um are you going to make a Article called Indie Comics films, cause if you arnt, you might want to fix that.Phoenix741 15:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

yeah, I'll look into starting one of those before i bring this live. Help with that would be great. ThuranX 16:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, what about The Crow: Salvation and The Crow: Wicked Prayer for the second template? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 15:48, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll try those out. missing a few is bound to happen. ThuranX 16:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah-hah! the reason I didn't is they were DTV. The promotional release didn't really count as I see it. Both are discussed in the Crow franchise article, which my heading links to. That's why. But thanks for making me defend it, good to have a rationale. I hope to cut n paste this entire review, as an archived section, to the talk pages for these two once they're ready to go, so new editors will have some ideas about my thinking. ThuranX 16:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Excellent initiative!! And thank you for asking.

The only thing I'd advise against is the "TBA" and "forthcoming" items. They're not really in keeping with WP:DATED or, in some instances, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball". Things in the movie business especially change so much, and people float rumors about projects so often, that it'd be more encyclopedic, I think, to stick with confirmed, existing product. In an any event, they'd need citations. (Along these lines, The "in development" items List of Marvel Comics films is problematic to me, even with the copious footnotes, since "in development" can mean "we're thinking about it and maybe someday we'll have a meeting to find a writer". But that's a whole big other thing I don't have the energy for...!)

Obviously, I'm guessing you'll have a Marvel Comics films header.

I might use the header "Independent-comics films", to match that article titled Independent film. (Also, the compound modifier takes a hyphen, per AP Stylebook and other standard punctuation/grammar sources Wikipedia recognizes.) Also, "comics" in this case wouldn't be capitalized since it's not part of a proper-noun phrase, as "DC Comics" is.

I can think of at least one Archie Comics film (a TV-movie), and there was a Fawcett Comics Captain Marvel serial in the 1940s, so maybe "Independent-comics films and misc."

These suggestions are just polish. Nice work on the big picture!! --Tenebrae 13:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I"m not particularly interested in the Made-for-TV stuff, nor the Older DC works. I figure that the 'list of' pages can be holistic, but that most readers will want to find out about the more recent works. Further, the Batman and Superman templates have far more about all appearances of those characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThuranX (talk • contribs)

Not sure what the reasoning is that "most readers will want to find out about the more recent works". That's more in keeping with a magazine than an encyclopedia, which needs to be, well, encyclopedic. --Tenebrae 21:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is, most casual readers who are on a DC film page are likely to be more interested in the recent franchises and such than in an obscure serial from the 40's, like hop harrigan. I suppose a link to the serials listing on the comics list might be efffective, but to add all the serials would be to make the template huge and clunky, which I long ago learned was a bad thing. Thoughts on the added 'serials' listing? ThuranX 22:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

that didn't work so well, so I jsut refined the original list, removing tons of stuff that had nothign to do with DC based films, and added the serials. WHoever had compiled the list felt anyt character now owned by DC qualified, I removed any that weren't actually DC at all, like Doc Savage, or who were acquired after production, like the Fawcett characters. The rest are now in the template. ThuranX 22:14, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Good job on it so far, bro. Just a few random questions and stuff though. With the DC template; what about adding the (dreadful, in my opinion) 1997 Justice League of America film *shudders*...? Also, have you considered adding in an animated films section, as there are two new ones in the pipeline (Justice League: The New Frontier and Superman: Doomsday)? There are many older ones from the 90's or more recently (i.e. The Batman Superman Movie, inspired by the animated TV shows) but I couldn't find the right links. About the superheroe and non-superhero DC films - is it worth splitting the likes of Catwoman from Road To Perdition, for example? Another thing is that I noticed you've got the Batman film in the 'single films' section highlighted along with the year which will need editing. Lastly, I just wanted to add that as you've mentioned, I agree that the serials are of no real interest. Just throwing that in. With the indie comics template; I noticed that The Mask is down twice (the franchise, which is understandable, AND with the single films). Also, The Crow unfortunately had a third film, The Crow: Stairway to Heaven. You may want to add it to the franchise. That's about all for now. Didn't mean to nit pick or anything, just thought I'd throw in my two cents. I'm glad someone's done this DC one though, been thinking who's gonna get it done. Thanks for the template so far. Keep it up. => Harish101 18:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The Batman 1966 film is in the single film listing because it did not have a sequel, but rather was a single theatrical release adam west film. It's not part of either franchise. Justice league was made for tv, not theattrical. the Animated series have their own templates, and would be too huge. This is for live action theatrical releases of properties owned/managed/produced by DC at time of release/Licensing, not those acquired later. As was noted above, the Crow franchise shifted to DTV, which I've decided not to cover, it's already in the articles for the two listed here. thank yo ufor the critique, not sure how you found the page though. ThuranX 05:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Blame mindless wiki-browsing for finding this ;) ...With the 1966 Batman movie, I meant that the actual year was highlighted as part of the link, didn't know if that was meant to be so. Ahh, I understand about the rest now. Fair play. I looked into the Animated DC films, and noticed that Justice League: The New Frontier is not based on/part of the Bruce Timm Animated Universe, which the template only allows for (this film is based on a graphic novel). I dunno if it will still be a part of it though, as he's apparently still producing. Just letting ya know. Curious to know - how do you start on something like this? Harish101 15:58, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. I see that, and it's fixed. Interesting regarding the Timm situation, might be time to bring that up as a change over there, I dunno. Anyways, I'm sure other editors will have thoughtsonce this goes live, which I think will be this weekend. finally, thanks for the comments. I do appreciate them. ThuranX 03:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, just curious to know when this will actually get put to use? One more thought, since I'm back here - where the franchises section is, as this is more about the films I was wondering if it's necessary to link the parts that say "Batman(1989-97)" and "Batman(2005 - )" twice to the same Batman page, along with linking Swamp Thing? Just wondered. Didn't seem entirely necessary, from a user's point of view (mainly Batman, unless you can link it to the film series pages, or even considering having two pages, one of which for the reboot franchise). Just putting in ideas as I assume you can do something about that. => Harish101 13:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if you want any help with this, but The Rocketeer (film) fits as well. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 04:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Right, thanks, I'll get that this weekend. ThuranX 11:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)