Talk:Thrones

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[edit] Removal

Someone recently clipped out the text below with no explanation. Is the information completely fabricated, or is it just not put into any kind of context. I'm not in favor of sensoring it just because you don't like/believe it. Could someone provide more context for it?

Magically, call on the Thrones when you need assistance in smoothing relations with groups of people or between two individuals. For any issue involving a need for stability, or planets or planetary energies, call on the Thrones. To reach them, burn a white candle for Divinity and a green candle for the Thrones.

Well, for one, you're not able to summon angels in the religion(s) in which the idea is included - they are servants of Elohim/God/Allah, not men.KrytenKoro 00:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging

The article on Thrones has zero specific references to any of its information. If anything it should be merged into the Ophan article. Heptazane 15:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Against Merge - the Kabbalistic angelic hierarchy lists these two choirs as separate. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 21:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Against Merge - there is no evidence, as far as i am aware or otherwise supported in the article, to make the correlation that the Ophanim, as seen in the Old Testament along with the Cherubim and Seraphim, could be the same host of Spiritual Beings mentioned by Paul of Tarsus, in the New Testament, as Thrones (i.e. Colossians 1:16). Also in the article Thrones, although it does not mention the source, it states "They do however, come in the second Choir, and are assigned to planets.", [my bold] not in the first choir (where the Ophanim are included due to the vision association with the other two superior Orders, the Cherubim and Seraphim). Such popular idea of mixing both Orders - Ophanim and Thrones - may have arised from the distribution of the Nine Orders of Angels presented in the De Coelesti Hierarchia, where the Thrones are ranked below the Cherubim (and the Ophanim omitted): however, a different view may be found at the following talk page: Talk:Christian angelic hierarchy#Hierarchies and Zodiacal signs. Hope it helps. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.58.99.122 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 27 July 2007.

reedited the article to try clarify and show the distinctions of both Orders; also removed the merge tag.

[edit] Misplacement?

I am confused about why demons (e.g. Astaroth, Focalor, Phenex, etc...) are listed on this page. Solace098 21:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)