Talk:Three-card Monte

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[edit] monte/Monte... is it capitalized?

The name of the article conflicts with the introduction sentence. Request for clarification. Move may be needed. Tyciol 11:42, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I checked a few Wikipedia usages. Of scams, Shell game, Multi-level marketing, and even Snipe hunt all use just an initial capital. Of card games, the same is true of Contract bridge and Five-card stud. So, the consensus style certainly seems to be that Monte should not be capitalized. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

No, every usage, in books, I have seen on magic and the history of three-card Monte, it is with a capital "M." Soapy 14:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

In addition: You mentioned other Wiki sites using the capital "M" in their articles. If you have changed them to small case, please revert to capitals once again. Thank you. Soapy 14:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I have moved "Three card monte" to "Three-card Monte," which is the correct way according to all my books, and the Magic Castle. I have also taken the responsibility of changing the "What links here" spellings. Soapy 15:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect madness and capitalization

OK, I think we've got this sorted out now (there was an interesting mess of double-redirects terminating in an endless loop, I think). In any case, I defer on the m/M issue. The other un-capitalizing I did was things like Queen->queen, which I think should remain. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


-There are redirects. I don't think much can be done about these, as they had to do with other titles related to this article, such as Find the Lady. I changed what I could, and did not touch the userpages and such. I agree with the other changes you made (Queen/queen). Soapy 17:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uh... neutrality?

While there can be no doubt that this game is a con in the vast majority of cases, this article has weasel words galore and cannot claim to be written in an impassioned tone. This reads like a page from a law enforcement website devoted to warning the world about illegal gambling, not an encyclopedia entry. I added a neutrality tag to the page, and will add a worldwide view tag as soon as I learn the code for one. Sylocat 07:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Be my guest. But I think it a bit harsh to say it violates NPOV. The previous authors aren't attempting to weasel, but are describing the confidence scheme also called "Three-Card Monte." You seem to want to describe the game itself. I agree with both.
My first proposed solution; a restructuring. First split off the information that describes how the game is played in an honest fashion. Then have a rather large sub-section on it's prevalent use in confidence schemes. I do question your claim towards it's prevalence outside of confidence schemes, but that should not stop us from describing the game rules objectively.
As an alternative solution, maybe we should explore diverging into two articles?
  1. Three-card Monte (card game) or Three-card Monte (card trick)
  2. Three-card Monte (confidence scheme)
I wish it would be clarified some, maybe even with some diagrams. The descriptions of the sleight of hand movements had me confused. -- Wguynes (Talk | contribs) 16:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's far too overreaching to say that it violates NPOV. I have changed the tag to cleanup, which encompasses a few different parts of the discussion page.Ab2kgj 02:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Probability

I removed a probability section that claimed the odds of winning a fair game were 1 in 3. While this might be true if the player chooses a card at random, in any actual fair game the probability would depend entirely on the player's ability to accurately track the movements of the target card with his or her eyes. Tmdean 07:20, 29 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Romania?

i deleted "romania" at see also - because i really cannot SEE what romania has to do with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.188.245.159 (talk) 14:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)