Talk:Thor Steinar
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[edit] Factual accuracy
In its current state, this article is missing major chunks of information and unfairly categorizes Thor Steinar as a Neo-Nazi label solely due to their use of runes. The German Wiki is far more detailed about this subject and presents it in a far more proper light.[1] Someone with a better understanding of the German language should have a look at this article and rework it. :bloodofox: 08:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- the label is notable for its Neonazi buyers, hence the categorization (this article is about the Thor Steinar case). The article does not allege that TS itself is run by Neonazis, just that they sold clothes popular among Neonazis, which is why they made the news. So, what do you want? You are free to insert additional material, so I suggest you do that instead of complaining about its being missing. dab (ᛏ) 12:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Dab, I've had to change your comments on Thor Steinar all over Wikipedia entries relating to fascist subjects due to your irresponsibly labeling this clothing company as something they've noted that they aren't. This entry is not only a reflection of my opinion about this article but also in response to the articles that link to this one, giving an incorrect impression of the company. This could even be considered slander or sensationalism given the stigma of the claim. There's no denying that they have had some or a lot of Neo-Nazi buyers, though so has Ralph Lauren. It's not wise to throw around accusations like that without delving into the whole subject. This is a problem I've noticed all over Wikipedia, intentional omission of information resulting in a skewed view point. :bloodofox: 21:48, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
hm, what? At no point am I claiming that TS is a "Nazi label". It's just that their notability is entirely due to their association with a Neonazi clientele and the resulting lawsuits. My only interest in them is their illustrative role in the perception of Nazi/Germanic symbolism in German society of the 2000s, but if you wish to add a review of their merchandise, you are welcome. The company's denial of any right wing association is right there in the article, so I don't see the problem. dab (ᛏ) 15:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. I understand and I will help if possible. :bloodofox: 16:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
- The company's denial, unfortunately, cuts no water. If they were anti-constitutional, they would be outlawed, period. See also National Democratic Party of Germany which shows that you can be formally within the constitutional order (it's a legal party) and be neo-Nazi by anything but name. Also see the German article, which contains sourced information leaving little doubt to the involvement of the Far Right in the company management. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 01:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Still, if the company denies it, we must state their stance per WP:NPOV. :bloodofox: (talk) 02:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Wearers
The article gives a distorted image by saying that "much of the controversy ... revolves around their first logo". Yes, this is one source of the controversy in Germany but equally strong is their association with right wings wearing their clothes. Yes, it can be discussed why this is a source of controversy for Thor Steinar and Lonsdale but not for Ralph Lauren. But nonetheless it should be mentioned on Thor Steinar just like it is mentioned on Lonsdale. One could also mention that Lonsdale took stronger steps against being monopolized by right wings than Thor Steinar. One reason why the association with right wings should be mentioned is that this also is the reason why clothes by Thor Steinar are prohibited in several German football stadiums (a fact that also should be added). I didn't add these facts myself in the article because you, :bloodofox:, already seem to put much care into maintaining this article so it is probably much better that I leave it to you to incorporate the change than to dabble with the article myself (especially since I am not that fluent in English). --213.209.110.130 (talk) 10:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- This is a good suggestion. I will attempt to do this in time if there are the proper sources out there. Of course, you are welcome to add anything to the article that you think will help it and I will go through it and edit it as appropriate. :bloodofox: (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- TS clothing is banned from the Parliament and is officially considered a sort of neo-Nazi shibboleth in Germany (see de:). Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 01:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- You are welcome to add this information to the article with accompanying references. :bloodofox: (talk) 02:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
