Talk:Thomas and Friends - Season 12

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[edit] Not Supposed To Be Here!

You are not supposed to be posting anything from Season 12 and beyond. This artical will surely be deleted unless you can provide a decent reference. Diesel 10 10:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

There was a ref on the Season 11 page (you may need to look at early history) regarding Pierce Brosnan and 'future series'. Beyond that I can't believe that anything can be written about this series yet. Hence, page deletion may not be an option, I'm afraid, but you should be able to ditch anything that's unreferenced... EdJogg 12:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


A Thomas Movie in the movies?

People are saying Engines Save Christmas is going to be in the movies? Thomasfan, do you think its true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icecream102 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SPAM

It's happening already...I deleted it all this time...-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.99.218 (talk) 22:00, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought spam means users who distract other users into going to websites they don't want to go. Oh well. TobytheTramEngine 21:45, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

?Maybe I'm wrong. All i know is that somebody made up a bunch of ep.s and trivia,and a character list.-SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.99.218 (talk) 22:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I call it vandalism. TobytheTramEngine 17:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

One of many things to call it. Thanks though -SLJCOAAATR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.99.218 (talk) 02:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmation

I have written to HiT Entertainment and I recieved confirmation that Duck and Oliver will appear in S12 those are the returning characters confirmed so far. For Wikiproject Thomas --S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

That will be welcome news to many Thomas fans. Unfortunately, a personal email is not good enough to claim as a Reliable Source, so we must maintain a hard line until we can provide a cite for this information. Standby for another raft of speculative edits about Duck and Oliver...
EdJogg 16:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Um.... A copyright email (example, HIT Entertainment) isn't a reliable source? TobytheTramEngine (talk) 01:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that counts as a 'primary source', and WP is not supposed to use them. There is also the problem of accessibility (to the information): as the email has not been 'published', no-one else can see it to confirm any claims made in the article, relying on that source. If HIT sent the email to a newspaper, and they chose to print it, THAT would be OK to cite, since the newspaper is a secondary source. Please don't take my word for it though (I'm no expert!), I'm sure there are help pages on WP that can resolve this for you.
Good luck. EdJogg (talk) 03:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I see. TobytheTramEngine (talk) 04:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll try to take a pic of the letter for proof. The top will be cut off as it shows my address. --S.C.Ruffeyfan 15:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] News Received

http://www.kidscreen.com/articles/magazine/20080101/thomas.html

This website shows new characters confirmed for Season 12. I'll be happy to put then up if you say so. --Thejdogman (talk) 09:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Isn't it depressing how 'Thomas' is now viewed from a commercial viewpoint? Some of this cite could well be used in the 'Merchandise' article (or elsewhere).
Yes, feel free to add the new information, remembering to cite this website. If we get in first we can better control the quality of the edits!
EdJogg (talk) 10:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
We should put this on the page. I have a feeling that Flora the Tram Engine might be like Rosie and idolise Thomas, but she might idolise Toby. We need to find some promo pics later this year. Hank the Big American Engine might boast a bit and Colin the Crane might be like Rocky. NOTE: I am not prancing around being false. I just think this. Check the web for updates, people. --S.C.Ruffeyfan 19:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Let's add the info. I'm now very excited about S12. SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me if I remain un-excited by the news... :o)
Before you all get carried away, remember that only verifiable, referenced information should be added here. That way we can safely hack-and-burn any fan speculation that escapes from the forums...
Also remember that 'promo pictures' are likely to remain copyright of HIT, and, if you read the referenced article, they are unlikely to release anything into the public domain...
EdJogg (talk) 00:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, i don't see why people like these would lie about it. I think the info. should be added into he article.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 21:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I added the infomation in and I'm sorry that it's a bit messy so you can fix it up. --Thejdogman (talk) 11:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. I have changed the names to match the format used in the ref, as we cannot be certain what 'official' names might be applied.
NOTE - as for previous seasons, these characters should NOT be added to other pages until the programmes have been broadcast and it is possible to verify that the characters actually exist. Please watch out for (and remove) such edits on other pages.
EdJogg (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, if we don't add them to character pages, some people may believe them to be spam, and remove it. Hank,Flora,Stanley should be added to the page with the SG engines, while, Colin is hard call cause we've had road cranes, train cranes, normal cranes, etc. We don't know which he'll be but untill, we do, he should be added to the non-rail section. Does anyone agree?SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
You cannot add them to a character page because you don't know anything about them. They may be standard or narrow gauge, or neither! And, as you point out, you have no idea what sort of crane Colin is. No-one will believe them to be 'spam' if they stay on this page, with the reference to allow the reader to verify that what we have written is true. That is why we have references.
If you start adding these characters to the character pages, other editors will be quite justified in removing them as 'fan speculation' (or, as you put it, 'spam').
EdJogg (talk) 00:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Alright. I just wanted to make sure.24.229.233.168 (talk) 04:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Episodes

I was on a news site and I found these eps confirmed (can't remember the name of the site). Titles remain unknown.

Title unknown: THOMAS and PERCY meet HANK the Big American Engine. Title unknown: THOMAS has an accident with his trucks when racing HAROLD so it's up to him to help Thomas. Title unknown: Toby is jealous of FLORA when she takes HENRIETTA.

So we know that Thomas, Percy, Toby, Harold, Hank and Flora appear in some episodes and the rest of the Steam Team and Stanley appear. Now we have answers. Plus, Hank and Flora are standard gauge. So things are confirmed, thank the website. --S.C.Ruffeyfan 14:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


Oh, my dear friend...PEOPLE LIE TO GET ATTENTION!!!!!!! The end. Thus causing this to be spectulation.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures

Some pics of the TOMY/Trackmaster models have been released:

Flora

Hank

We now know what they look like. For WP:THOMAS, --S.C.Ruffeyfan 11:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I just found next years lineup on Youtube. I was gonna tell you. Lemme go get the link! ;)SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvtCrvk0JI

SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Upgrade

According to SIF, in S12, the engines will blink, and have moving mouths thanks to CGI. This means no more different facemasks. At this rate, the show will end up being animated by S20! LOLZ.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:43, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

How did SiF find this out? --S.C.Ruffeyfan 18:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

They have a lot of connections. Like, a while ago, they knew that Hank'd be blue and a have a tender, etc.

Alot of people seem to be upset about this though. What do you think? I really can't decide yet...I'll have to see it in action first.SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems good. But I can see what it'll be like. --S.C.Ruffeyfan 17:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I bet it'll be like the ILS...SLJCOAAATR 1 (talk) 22:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

ILS=Interactive Learning Segment. ;)SLJCOAAATR_SOUL_Strike (talk) 02:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] HIT murdered Thomas...

HIT sold Thomas to Canada. A cold TOO PEACEFUL place on our Planet. After TGD, starting with S12, the ENTIRE series WILL become CGI animation. ALL OF IT. No more models, no narration, no epicnessh...*sob*...Thomas is now dead. HIT finally started improving, then, they push their FRICKING luck, and run a once great show! *sob* After TGD, me, and many others will stop watching TTTE, and protest things to go back to models, and narration. Feel free to email me at sljcoaaa@ptd.net If you wish to stop the maddness. I will now begin organizing an army against HIT. So, what do you say? Are you in, or will you betray us?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!! (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

There will still be a narrator! Pierce Brosnan will be the one! But it is a tragedy! - Bladez636 (talk · contribs)
I have removed the new section from the article describing this. Unfortunately it falls far short of the standards required for WP. The 'facts' are unsourced (forum postings do not count as Reliable Sources), and most of it is (understandable) POV.
Now, much as I keep 'Thomas and Friends' at arms length, I do agree with you on this point. The two unique features of T&F are that (i) it is based on a story series with a 60-year history and (ii) it used live-action models. If, as you suggest, they move to CGI, some of the appeal of the programme will be lost and you can bet that the stories will become even less realistic (how long before Thomas starts to fly?) Unfortunately, you MUST find proper references for this new information before you can include it in the article. Good luck with your search.
EdJogg (talk) 08:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll be on the look for in on other places then! The series just won't be the same anymore! And Thomas learns how to fly in TGD. Remember that part in the trailer? LOL. J/K.Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!!_Now,-I-Must.Make~This~Name~Even~Longer~Yet! (talk) 14:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

For anyone who DIDN'T already see the article. ;)

http://www.sodor-island.net/thomasnews.html

Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence_And-Master-of-Long-Names...Gwahahaha!!!!111!!!_Now,-I-Must.Make~This~Name~Even~Longer~Yet! (talk) 14:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I haven't seen the TGD trailer. I thought I was joking. Ugh, there is no hope... EdJogg (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Exactly my point, Thomas flying off roller coaster rails that are snapped and, acroos the mountain. WTF HIT?Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 23:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] IT'S NOT TRUE!!!!

Yup. The CGI thing. It was a big, fat, god dammed lie! Sun (The mag. that stated it.) was lying, and has a rep. for spreading fake rumours. This is great news. So only the faces will be CGI. As for the series being filmed in Canada, i'm still unsure if it's true, or not.Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 01:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY WIKIPEDIA DEMANDS VERIFIABLE SOURCES!!!!!
(Sorry for 'shouting', but perhaps this will help contributors realise why we are so strict about getting stuff confirmed before it can be included in WP.)
EdJogg (talk) 10:08, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I don't blame you. I'm just so happy right now!Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 12:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone have specific proof that the rumour turned out to be untrue? (I need this for my own peace of mind - the thought of Thomas being turned into a CGI show has been driving me insane) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.188.20.29 (talk) 21:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Let me go see if i can find it again! ;) Skeletal_SLJCOAAATR_Soul_Striker_of_Vengence (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)