Talk:Thomas Henry Moray
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This must be investigated in depth please link all available docs
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[edit] NPOV/Primary source page
This page needs peer-reviewed sources and it needs to be rewritten to reflect the fact that the scientific community does not presently endorse THM's work. As far as the scientific community presently knows, there is no way to "mine" the ZPE; and to do so would probably void the law of conservation of energy, and hence Noether's theorem, which says that conservation of energy must hold whenever the laws of physics stay constant over time.
-- Drostie 19:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] My edits
I've deleted (againg) -- amongst other things:
- Today -- known as a phenomana called Zero-Point Energy, or rather an energy that is drawn from the quantum-physical active vacuum space around us, and exists even at the temperature of absolute zero or 0 Kelvin.
As it is not known how and doubted why the Moray device worked, any connections with modern physics is speculative. If Moray himself didn't claim this connection, it shouldn't be in the article.
Mentioning and linking Bearden is here, as well as in e.g. Steorn, completely out of place. Of course he claims that every curent, past and future "free energy device" function is based on his (in)famous theory, but he is nether a notable nor a reliable source.
Pjacobi 12:10, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
"At the turn of the century, Dr. Moray developed a reportedly inexhaustible environmental energy source" .....but he was born in 1892, so, when he developed this machine he was about 8 years old.
[edit] Rewrite
I have tried to rewrite this article in accordance with WP:FRINGE. All unsourced material and original fringe research has been deleted. All the sources cited were primary sources from Moray himself, or vanity websites and suchlike. Accordingly they cannot be taken as verifying anything other than what Moray believed he had done. I have retained such links as are necessary to show this, and show notability, and deleted everything else. If anyone can provide additional verifiable historical colour then that would be great. LeContexte (talk) 12:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Removed the blue box
I deleted the blue box about Morays invention, since it stated that the device would be a perpetual motion machine, and would thus violate the 1st law of thermodynamics. Moray himself emphatically denounced such a claim, as is even mentioned in the text, but rather claimed that his machine drew energy from a different source than what is common. Thus the question is whether such a source exists and if Moray's invention actually could draw energy from it. This is a quite different issue than whether he made a perpetual motion machine that violated the 1st law, which is obviously rather impossible. Harmoniser (talk) 16:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
