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Please leave a message, as long as its not about an AFD or an arguement. --Rob 16:47, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Glad to see you're back. I was worried you had been driven off by all the sniping back and forth in the argument that will not die; the irony that the debates over schools had chased off one of the authors doing the best job of improving school articles was not lost on me.
Your voice of reason in WP:SCH will be missed, although I can't blame you for wanting to get away from it. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 16:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the kind words, and sorry about some of my unkind words in the past. It might sound sappy, but I've decided the articles, and one's edits speak louder than any AFD or debate. 90% of wikipedians don't follow those things, they just look at the typical article, and figure that's what's welcome around here. No newbie is ever gonna go through my AFD comments, but they'll take an article of mine (or yours, or anybody's) and use it as a model. --Rob 17:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome, and I can understand the stress. I wouldn't worry too much about what's going on behind the scenes; in the end, it doesn't much matter. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 17:21, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

I am also very glad to see you're back. I hope that while you will not be participating in the arguments (I am pretty fed up with WP:SCH myself), that this will not dull your enthusiasm for contributing to improving school articles. You often fixed problematic articles before I ever got a chance to even look at them.--Nicodemus75 17:19, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I feel a little guilty about the welcome backs, as most people regularly take longer off than my "quitting" (e.g. normal people take the weeek off, not just the weekend). I plan on continuing to improve school articles, but with greater focus on where I can improve them, which often means staying closer to home. --Rob 17:27, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Great to see you back Rob. I think you are right when you say above its our articles that people judge us on not our Afd's. I just want to say that yourself and hipocrite did a great job in trying to reopen the school debate. I learned a lot from it. Unfortunately it deteriorated, as usual, but i really do think it is one step in the right direction. Thanks for trying. David D. (Talk) 19:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think me helping to re-open the global debate, might have been a mistake at this point. I think more discussions are needed at local/regional areas, with work done there, and used as a model for other places. We all talk about we don't want in school related articles, so hopefully if people take a "global debate break" they'll show what they do want. --Rob 05:03, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, it looks like we're very close to a working compromise, not at all far from what you proposed, so I don't think you should have any regrets. - A Man In Black (conspire | past ops) 10:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Welcome back

Hi. I'm glad you changed your mind and are back with us. I was grateful that, at least with you, the discussion was not acrimonious. I felt that, just before you left, we were headed for some intelligent discussion. I too feel that I have to move away from the school stuff. Maybe it will sort itself out with time; I hope so, but it's really spoiling the Wikipedia experience for me now, and I never want this to become a chore. While I will still be involved with the school issue somehow, it will be much more peripheral. Thanks for the list of great school articles on your user page - I hope that seeing what is possible will make school articles in general better. Anyway, as the meaasage header says, welcome back. Denni 02:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice words. --Rob 04:14, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] York Hill

Well the last version before deletion was York Hill Elementary School in [Vaughan Ontario] is a school from nursery to grade 8. Many special days such as Pizza Day and Hat Day. and that's the whole content. I've unprotected it so you can do whatever you consider fit. -- ( drini's vandalproof page ☎ ) 18:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. --Rob 18:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome Back

I think you're misreading the guideline. The example you gave me is more then adequate for its own article by the proposed guidelines as it has more then 3 sentences of verifiable information in addition to naming the district and city the school is in, as well as having wikilinks.

What we're referring to is articles that that say "Such and such a school is in something school district and is in something town". THAT wouldn't count toward the 3-8 sentence total as the sentence would be removed and irrelevant if the article were merged with the district article.

Information from the district website is by its definition outside verification from a source other then the school's website and is not only fine but to be encourged as included information.Gateman1997 01:04, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Unmaintained articles

While it would be nice to be able to make editors responsible for creating masses of stubs, as far as I know, there is no policy which covers that. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'll act on it. I agree with you that gaming a number-of-sentences rule is easy, and that's why I didn't vote to support the most recent suggestion. I come from the "more is not always better" school, and would rather see four good sentences than twelve bad ones. However, I don't think we're quite at the stage of dicussion yet where quality is being discussed as an acceptable criterion. The inclusionist delegates are still struggling with the idea of allowing any merges at all; I want to give them some breathing space to become comfortable with the idea.

Thanks for stopping by. Denni ☯ 23:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Harry Ainlay Composite High School

Just out of curiosity, why'd you move that to Harry Ainlay Composite High School (Edmonton, Alberta)? Is there another one as it seems that most of the time you don't stick the city name at then end unless it is the name of more than one school... Thanks! Sasquatch 05:03, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Ah, okay, I'm gonna move it back. Thanks again for your time. Sasquatch 21:27, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Race and US schools

I really don't know why some Americans track if "50.23% the student body is Ethnic-such-and-such".

Issues of race in American schools are huge. On top of the fact that schools weren't desegregated until a few decades ago, the differences in quality in schools in urban and suburban areas are seen by many as de facto segregation or racism, students are bussed from one region to another to promote integration...it's all a mess.

Desegregation busing, Brown v. Board of Education, and magnet school can tell you more than I can, though. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

I think I phrased my wording very badly. I'm well aware of racial problems in the US, including history of segration and busing, etc.... They receive more attention in Canada than our own racial problems do. It's rather the statistical obsession of demographics, and race, I'm perplexed by. For instance, I thought the high level natives at Boyle Street Education Centre was highly relevant to the school, and worth mentioning. But, I suspect if this was written by *some* school-stub makers (not all, and also some non-Americans), they would say something like "92.35% of students are Native and 5.32% are white 0.32% are Asian and ..."; without explaining relevance. That to me, would be a waste of time, and I couldn't understand what interest somebody would have in it. --Rob 15:27, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Indeed. They're more or less meaningless without context. (Plus, Canadian racial problems are boring. ;D ) - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:03, 19 November 2005 (UTC)