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Please post new comments at the bottom of the page, or under the appropraite heading Anoop 14:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thiruvananthapuram or Trivandrum?

Do people actually say "Thiruvananthapuram?" Or do they still call it Trivandrum? john k 17:44, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

IIRC — and it's been a few years — "Trivandrum" is only used for the benefit of Westerners, who may struggle with the correct form "Thiruvananthapuram". — jredmond 16:02, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Non-Keralan Indians don't struggle with the correct form Thiruvananthapuram? john k 16:42, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Not really. The name isn't Malayalam at all: it's Hindi, and derives from "Thiru" (Lord) + "anantha" (holy serpent on which Vishnu reclines) + "puram" (temple city). Since "puram" is common in city names in all parts of India, since "thiru" and "anantha" are religious in origin, and since (like it or not) all Indians are exposed to some degree of Hindi, I don't expect that non-Kairali Indians will have problems with the "real" version of the name. - jredmond 16:54, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry, have to disagree with you there. "Trivandrum" is not just used for the benifit of Westerners. It is often called "Trivandrum" even by the locals (I am one, so I know). Most Non-Keralans prefer to call it "Trivandrum" too and as someone has said below, "Thiruvananthapuram" is not Hindi. Unlike other name changes in India ("Bombay" -> "Mumbai" etc) the name Trivandrum has not died down.. And I don't expect it either. - Anoop 00:00, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Just because Anoop still uses the word Trivandrum doesn't mean that the bulk of the populace still prefer the anglicised name in favour of the original. Oh, and, it's not Keralan, it's Keralite. rohith 11:32, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The name Thirvananthapuram is not Hindi. If you concede that many (if not most) Malayalam words are derived either from Tamil or Sanskrit, "Thiru" has its origins in Tamil and not in Sanskrit.
— "Thiru" is part of many Tamil place names such as Thirunelveli and Thiruchendur; it is also part of many Malayalam place names such as Thirunellur and Thirnavaya. "Thiru" means something like "Sri" in Sanskrit. (A Malayalam word used for addressing a king would be "Thirumeni," which can be broken into "Thiru" + "Meni"; thus a loose translation would be "Respected Being.")
— The remaining part of the city's name, "Ananthapuram," could be from Sanskrit or Tamil. "Anantha," as the previous contributor correctly points out, is the snake that Vishu rests on. Not sure if "puram" is originally of Sanskrit or Tamil; it is used heavily in both. It means "place" or "city" and not necessarily "temple city." "Ooru" in Tamil means place; this could be why we have many sourthern place names like Coimbatore, Mysore, Thiruppur, Mylapore, etc. There are, of course, many other place names such as Kharagpur, Nagpur, etc., which likely came from a Sanskrit root.
Puram is from Sanskrit pura, as in Hastinapuram tc. Tamil-derived ooru is pronounced with a longer u sound.--Grammatical error 20:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Major changes

I have redone the entire page based on the guidelines provided the Wikiproject on Indian cities. The one thing still lacking are images. I cannot find many public domain images of trivandrum :( Anoop 04:53, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

More Pictures

This article looks much better now. I have added a map showing the location of the city within India.

We would need more pics from the city (Museum, Statue, Secretariat) SwiftRakesh 14:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


About the location map, I suppose the older one was better and more clearer right? Very difficult to actually see where Trivandrum is from your new map. The other one had an inset box, showing where Kerala was and the location of TVM was clear from that map. What's your opinion? I'm strongly for reverting back. Anoop 23:51, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


The location map is consistent with maps found on pages for other FA Indian cities, see Mumbai, Chennai, Kalimpong. SwiftRakesh 10:20, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok. All right. Anoop 12:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

The Trivandrum City suburbs - High rises from green
The Trivandrum City suburbs - High rises from green

I found this image floating around as untagged, looks like the uploader took it though so it sohuld be ok to use if you can find a free spot for it. --Sherool (talk) 19:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Map of Thiruvananthapuram

The map doesn't look impressive. It will be better to add a map that shows major places in the City.

Largest City

Funny to see the observations from some guys!

It is mentioned in the article that Trivandrum is the largest city in kerala, is it true? Nandan

Please see Kochi and read the first sentence. There it is stated that Kochi is largest city. I also think Kochi is so --Sarathtly 8 July 2005 14:17 (UTC)

Please note when the change has came; Click Link [[1]]

--Sarathtly 8 July 2005 14:32 (UTC)

A city with length from Palarivattom to Thoppumpady and a narrow breadth(because of this, it is only 87 sq km) from Marine drive to Vytila

is smaller than

A city with length from Thiruvallom to Sreekaryam and breadth from Airport to Vattiyoorkavu.( I only used the approved city limits, not even Technopark, which is a big hub)

To understand this no body needs great wisdom and also we can recognize the disguised ‘Trivandrumites’.

Go to South railway station in Kochi, go to the police aid-post and ask for a pre-paid auto. The police man(Not the Autowallah! Offcourse) will say, “Up to Palarivattom you have to pay 34 Rs and rest you have to pay 1 ½ of the charge since it is out of city limits”.

Still not convinced?

Walk to the city corporation office and enquire the clerk, how many counsel members(which are based on population) they have.--Sathyalal 05:50, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


Visit the link to see when the modification occurred - (Wiki Difference Page). The ipaddress is from Trivandrum itself.

IP address to location found using http://www.ip2location.com/free.asp

From my knowledge Trivandrum City is smaller than Kochi.

--Sarathtly 18:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes Kochi is indeed the largest city in Kerala. I come from Trivandrum & know for sure. Sorry that I missed it before. --Anoop

I am talking about the cities of Thiruvananthapuram and Kochi. You must have noticed the areas of Trivandrum and Kochi. TVM is 184 sq KM and Cochin is 87.5 sq Km. These are considered as the city area. In this city area TVM is having around 8.5 lakhs of population and Kochi is 6 lakhs. Some guys must have added the population of the near by municipalities with Kochi. If we do the same thing with TVM, it will have around 2.5 million populations

I will post the detailed information about the population in these two districts soon.

Also you must have noticed contradictory things in the cochin site Area 87.5 km² ,Density 10840/km² then how come a population of 1,660,000 is possible?

So we must help this site to show the truths, not as some promotions

Thanks,
Sathya

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sathyalal (talk • contribs) 07:06, 20 April 2006.

Kochi does indeed have a population of 1.66 million as stated by the Kochi article and as referenced here, here and here. This is as per the Greater cochin census conducted in 2001. Also, according to [2], Kochi ranks as the 24th biggest metropolis in India, while Thiruvananthupuram is at 42. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK
But still Trivandrum is the biggest corporation in Kerala--Altruist 09:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Either way, the density of population is a problem to be fixed. http://www.censusindia.net/results/miilion_plus.html has the population of Kochi as 1,355,406 and looks fairly authoritative. Tintin (talk) 09:49, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
See this http://cyberjournalist.org.in/towns.html .Trivandrum indeed is the biggest corporation in Kerala. And this population as on 1991 http://www.kerala.gov.in/dept_municipal/details.htm --Altruist 10:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
I have copied the discussion to Talk:Kerala, as this spans data in three articles. I believe all further discussions on this topic can continue there. thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu_Joseph |TALK 13:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Compared to the Census of India website, http://www.kerala.gov.in/dept_municipal/details.htm is not very trustworthy, because I've found many of their claims about population totals, harvest yields, and other things to be wrong. For example, it states that Kerala produces 5709 million metric tons of coconuts.([3]) Wow. Amazing. Only problem is that, in comparison, the worldwide annual rice harvest amounts to only 570.6 million tons.([4]) So it seems the government site is reporting that, for every kilo of rice the whole world produces each year, Kerala produces ten kilos of a non-staple crop like coconuts. Similar problems exist for other facts they report. Point: don't trust what they report unless it's backed up by a more proven source. Last point: it's generally considered bad faith to pervert consensus by marshalling a sock army (note that User:Sathyalal, User:Raj345, User:Wikialtruist, User:Jaleelmalik all show up the same day, argue the same issues, and edit the same articles). Saravask 02:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Also its interesting to see how much intersted are users like User:Deepujoseph,User:Raj345,User:Saravask in maligning Trivandrum , which is not gonna happen anymore ;) --Altruist 03:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivandrum is biggest among the five corporations in Kerala. Corporation itself has got a population of 889,191 and including the subburbs it has a population of 2.2 million. In the Cochin page the population including the muncipalities is given. Still there is a bug, if 90 sq km has got 1.6 million. Then what is the population dencity? I will post the population of corporations/municipals in these two districts with real gov site links


Kindly Note

Please avoid advertisements for educational institutions in this page. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia. 14:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


Editing this page

It is unfortunate to see that some people are misusing the page editing feature to keep their interest arouse. The valueble details about the Vizhinjam port and educational institutions are allegedly removed from the page. These details are true according to the records and worth for the seekers.

Santhoshj 11:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

All the edits where done to make the article more compliant with the Wikipaedia Manual of Style. Kindly read below. [5] Anoop 14:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


Reference to Kochi

Reference to Kochi is not needed here. Reference to Thiruvananthapuram is included in the Kochi page because, it is common to locate a place using the distance from the Capital. Mr.Alniko, Please dont take this offensive.

-- Rajith Mohan :) (Talk to me...) 13:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

no one way traffic

Such commonalities apply when a capital is the most important city visited by most. Just the opposite is true here - more people know Kochi. No need to pretend otherwise, In fact the name Cochin is more famous than name "Kerala". Still I am ready to forsake my right to refer to Kochi in Tvp'm page. If you insist on your way, fine, you will start the next brawl right away. No more on this topic - only give an takes.

Also to remind you, after feigning a deal if you you think, you can circumvent it thru' a "dikkoos", you need not even expect a reply next time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alniko (talk • contribs)

Kazhakoottam

See Kazhakoottam-correct spelling.Bharatveer 11:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Thiruvananthapuram

Dear Nik, Thiruvananthapuram is the largest city, capital city and prominent city. Look at all official Indian pages like Airlines, Railways etc.

Some more on the subject..

If you are trying to say that a park(in Kochi) with constructed area of just 4.5 lakh sqft(0.45 million) is the biggest in Asia and crying that people are not allowing you to put that information,what should we think of you? Let me ask one interesting question. If this was true then it should be the park with highest revenue or exports(or at least 1/10th of the major parks in the country). But why its revenue is a mere 65 cores? It is the smallest I have worked in India. Please try to be realistic. Please look at the mirror before blaming others.

Also be very specific and tell me what is beyond east of bypass(4 km from the center) in Kochi? What is there in the south beyond Marad(8 km from the city center). Towards the North east Kakkanadu(just 10 km from the city center) is like a remote village and is included in the population. Towards the north at least up to Kalamassery I agree that it is urbanized.Also towars the west(narrow width) it is urbanised. You have to consider that all these areas and beyond are included in Kochi UA population, even though they are less populated compared to Trivadrum suburbs.


Compare the same in Trivandrum, Technopark(this area is not inclued in the city population) is very populated area and is getting extended till Attingal(around 36 kms towards north). Tell me, in the stretch (City-Sreekaryam-Kazhakkutom-Kaniyapuram-Pallippuram) which area is not populated?Only up to Sreekaryam is officially included in the population. Similarly south of Trivandrum(Karmana-Balaramapuram-Neyyattinkara-Parassala) is very crowded till the border(around 40 Kms) and east extends up to Vattiyoorkavu and West up to airport. If the politicians do real justice(in fixing the boundaries), Trivandrum will be many times larger than Kochi(currently it is 4/3 times larger). -- Sathyalal Talk to Sathya 08:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)--Sathyalal 05:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Usage

The article uses Trivandrum at some places and Thiruvanthapuram at others. One of them (probably Thiruvananthapuram, since that is the title) should be used throughout. Tintin (talk) 07:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  • The name Trivandrum is still in common use by many people, companies, and organisations. For instance, Indian Railways is still using the place name as Trivandrum and station name as Trivandrum Central. Many public-private sector companies and a large percentage of people use Trivandrum to refer this city.


  • Anyways, the usage of both Thiruvananthapuram and Trivandrum is not at all creating any ambiguity here. Infact, it is giving the reader a strong impression that the city is still known as Trivandrum as well as Thiruvananthapuram .

Cheers,

-- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 09:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)