Talk:Third Echelon
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This looks like a paranoid rant or a cut and paste from a conspiracy theory page. Everything I have read on the NSA describes them as a bunch of non-violent electronics engineers, techs software specialists and computer science geniuses. AlainV 05:19, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, this article is the plot from the book/video game Splinter Cell. Flockmeal 05:38, Aug 29, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, just put in a sentence so people know its a fictional organization. -- Crevaner 08:24, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Make a redirect to Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell. No need to merge the material. Geogre 13:06, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- I would prefer a straight delete as non-encyclopedic detail that is already adequately covered in Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell. We should probably redirect, though, to keep it from popping up again. Rossami 15:59, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Just because it's fiction, doesn't mean it's non-encyclopedic. Splinter Cell is reasonably famous. ··gracefool |☺ 09:50, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, but it should be made more clear that this is a fictional organization. I'm thinking a framed disclaimer box or something --Farside 14:27, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC).
- Redirect to Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell. Wile E. Heresiarch 08:33, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Redirect to Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell and merge material, if necessary. Andris 19:52, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] "Splinter Cell"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the term "Splinter Cell" refer to the entire team? I could have sworn Sam Fisher was just the Splinter Cell operative. --Foot Dragoon 20:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Third Echelon is the team. A Splinter Cell is the main operator on the field. They are called that because they break off from Third Echelon during the operation (no evidence that they are American) and if caught or captured they are disavowed.
- I second the above statement made. The very first game's fact "generator" even says that. ♣ Klptyzm Chat wit' me § Contributions ♣ 18:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Question of ECHELON's existence
There is no controversy as to the existence of the program. There are plenty of references at the ECHELON article itself. The BBC claims that US officials have confirmed its existence.[1] A US Representative confirm its existence in the presence of the chairman for the house intelligence committee without question. [2] It's also discussed in a House Judiciary hearing, without question, during discussion on Amendment IV and it's relationship to signal intelligence. [3] Like the Cointelpro, and ARTICHOKE/MKULTRA, the existence was at once time only considered rumoured or conspiracy theory, but is completely confirmed as true today. Divinus 10:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
That house.org site contains no instance of the word "echelon". And I said in my edit comment that I want an official confirmation. Those other sites are not up to snuff. It is still a rumor. ColdFusion650 21:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Are you kidding? Did you spell it wrong when searching the text? It contains three! Check Page 87, paragraph 1 [4]; Page 199, paragraph 5 [5]; and Page 201, paragraph 2 [6]. It is part of the public record that is published by the House itself. There is no dispute whatsoever, and you're just dismissing fact out of hand. How is an interview with Representatives and the House Intelligence Committee Chairman on 60 Minutes not 'up to snuff'? There is plenty of evidence of the program's existence. Do you have any citations of a government official denying the existence of the project? Divinus 23:35, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
