Talk:Third Battle of the Aisne
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[edit] Good job
Nice work Spawnman! If you could though, it would be nice to return in the aftermth to a few topics you mention in the intro. A few questions still remain, and as i am completely ignorant on the matter, maybe you can expand a bit.
- For example, did the divisionary attack work? Did the allied troops need to redeploy?
- You say they captured 50,000 men; that seems like quite a victory, but the battle seems to be characterized as a draw with minor German gains.
- Was the German position sustainable? You note the advance was halted, and it had several problems (supply lines, counter attacks), so perhaps a kind of sketch as to the German position in the end would be nice. Were they surrounded, resupplied or something else?
The main bulk is looking good; i like your writing style, its very clear and to the point! --The Minister of War 07:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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- Thanks. To answer a few of your points:
- The German territory gain was quite big. They after all, did actually reach within 60 km of Paris, something which had not ben seen since 1914, see Great Retreat & First Battle of the Marne. So although the Germans gained lots in territory, they still lost the battle due to the fact that they basically ran out of steam at the last hurdle.
- I would assume the diversionary attack worked, as there were quite a few large-scale battles as the offensive continued. Also, the British troops mentioned, had recently been redeployed on the Aisne from Flanders before the subject battle.
- I'm not quite sure however, what exactly you mean by, was the German position sustainable?
- I'm glad you like my writing style...
Thanks. Spawn Man 11:49, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks, this does clarify quite nicely; they'd make a nice addition to the article as well imho. But to see if i get you right, you mention that the attack was meant to ease the front in Flanders; does your answer mean that they were in fact succesful in diverting allied forces from Flanders to Paris?
- About sustainable, you mention that the Germans run out of steam, but in the aftermath there is no mention of the consequences of this. To me it implies they were unable to hold the position, but maybe thats just me. Still, you note at the end that "Ludendorff, encouraged by the gains of Blucher-Yorck, would launch further offensives cumulating in the Second Battle of the Marne." implying they launched these offensives from this new position. So were they able to solve the supply line problem? --The Minister of War 12:56, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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- Yes, I'm pretty sure that some forces were diverted from Flanders to the Aisne, although I haven't a clear or precise source on this.
- The German position was sustainable, but they could not actually capture Paris like they thought due to those ailments. NOTE: I didn't actually write the, "Ludendorff, encouraged by the gains of Blucher-Yorck, would launch further offensives cumulating in the Second Battle of the Marne", line. Someone else did. However I would presume that maybe while defending themselves from the Allied counter-attacks, their morale perked up, or the got supplies\reinforcements, & were able to launch the Second Battle of the Marne. I myself am not an actual expert on the topic, I just wrote down what my sources told me (very secret service!). So I would think that the person who wrote the above line would be better informed on that stage of the battle.... Thanks. Spawn Man 22:22, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] 0.5 nom
This article was nominated for Wikipedia:Version 0.5 I failed this article because it has no references, well-written though, maybe try to combine the 3 Aisne battles together. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 06:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
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I've removed the following text from the article because it is suspected to be copy & pasted & it is at least badly written. Placing it here for anyone to decided what to do with it. Cheers, Spawn Man 06:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
British Forces were involved in the 3rd Battle of the Aisne/ Chemin des Dames on the 27th May to 6th June 1918:(Check out the link for more information:http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44335&hl= )
Order of Battle:
British IX Corps Sir Alexander Hamilton Gordon
8th Division: Major-General W C G Heneker
23rd Brigade: Brigadier-General W St G Grogan VC
2nd Devonshire 2nd West Yorkshire 2nd Middlesex
24th Brigade: Brigadier-General- General R Haig (wounded)
1st Worcestershire 1st Sherwood Foresters 2nd Northamptonshire
25th Brigade: Brigadier-General R H Husey (Killed In Action)
2nd East Lancashire 2nd Royal Berkshire 2nd Rifle Brigade
R F A Brigades:
XXXIII XLV
Field Coys. R E:
2 15 490
Pioneers:
22nd Durham
21st Division: Major-General D G M Campbell
62nd Brigade: Brigadier-General G H Gater
12/13th Northumberland Fusiliers 1st Lincolnshire 2nd Lincolnshire
64th Brigade: Brigadier-General H R Headlam
9th KOYLI 15th Durham
110th Brigade: Brigadier-General H R Cumming
6th Leicestershire 7th Leicestershire 8th Leicestershire
R F A Brigades:
XCIV XCV
Field Coys. R E:
97 98 126
Pioneers:
14th Northumberland Fusiliers
25th Division: Major-General Sir E G T Bainbridge
7th Brigade: Brigadier-General C J Griffin
10th Cheshire 4th South Staffordshire 1st Wiltshire
74th Brigade: Brigadier-General H M Craigie Halkett
11th Lancashire Fusiliers 3rd Worcestershire 9th Loyal North Lancashire
75th Brigade: Brigadier-General A A Kennedy
11th Cheshire 8th Border Regiment 2nd South Lancashire
R F A Brigades:
110 112
Field Coys. R E:
105 106 130
Pioneers:
6th South Wales Borderers
50th Division: Major-General H C Jackson
149th Brigade: Brigadier-General E P A Riddell (wounded)
4th Northumberland Fusilers 5th Northumberland Fusilers 6th Northumberland Fusilers
150th Brigade: Brigadier-General H C Rees (Prisoner of War)
4th East Yorkshire 4th Yorkshire 5th Yorkshire
151st Brigade: Brigadier-General C T Martin (Killed in Action)
5th Durham 6th Durham 8th Durham
R F A Brigades:
250th 251st
Field Coys. R E
7 446 447
Pioneers:
7th Durham
A Russian brigage also fought there; 54 Russians are buried in the Memorial French Cemetery [1].