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The following companies seem to have been part of the system in Manhattan:

  • Third Avenue Railway: Third Avenue Line
  • Central Park, North and East River Railroad: First Avenue and East Belt Line, West Belt Line, and 59th Street Crosstown Line
  • Dry Dock, East Broadway and Battery Railroad: Avenue B Line and Canal and Grand Street Ferry Line
  • Forty-Second Street, Manhattanville and St. Nicholas Avenue Railway: 42nd Street Crosstown Line? 125th Street Crosstown Line?? Broadway Branch Line??
  • Kingsbridge Railway: Kingsbridge Line?
  • One-Hundred and Twenty-Fifth Street Railroad?: 125th Street Crosstown Line

--NE2 04:40, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

These were the Manhattan line names in later days:

  • 10 10th Avenue (appears to have run from the west end of 42nd Street north on 10th Avenue, Amsterdam Avenue, and Broadway - to end where? ran at least to LaSalle Street, so probably ended at the west end of 125th Street)
  • B Broadway (used 42nd Street - [1])
  • K Broadway, Amsterdam Avenue and 125th Street
  • T 3rd and Amsterdam Avenues (longest line, City Hall to Fort George)
  • X 42nd Street Crosstown
  • X 59th Street Crosstown
  • X 125th Street Crosstown

--NE2 13:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[2] has some information on 125th Street. --NE2 15:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

There was also a Broadway and 145th Street Line: [3] Apparently this was one of the last three lines to be abandoned, along with Broadway-Kingsbridge and 125th Street Crosstown. --NE2 15:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's a map that should help: [4] --NE2 16:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

And some other lines, from [5]:

  • They did in fact operate the Broadway Branch Line, which later became the Broadway Line
  • Avenue B Line
  • Post Office-Brooklyn Line
  • Grand Street Line
  • 110th Street Crosstown Line

--NE2 16:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The Dry Dock, East Broadway and Battery Railroad operated four lines in 1928: the Avenue B Line, Grand Street Line, Grand Street and Brooklyn Line, and Post Office and Brooklyn Line. [6] --NE2 17:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1897 list of lines

This is from a Brooklyn Daily Eagle article on April 2, 1897 page 3. Line names were added by me. --NE2 10:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Owned
  • City Hall via Third avenue to One Hundred and Thirtieth street 8.25 Third Avenue Line
  • North river to One Hundred and Twenty-fifth street, East River 2.50 125th Street Crosstown Line
  • Tenth avenue, One Hundred and Twenty-fifth street to One Hundred and Eighty-sixth street 3.25 Amsterdam Avenue part of Third and Amsterdam Avenues Line
  • Second track 14.00
  • Sidings .375
[presumably these were leased, probably all from the Forty-second Street, Manhattanville and St. Nicholas Avenue Railway]
  • Forty-second street, North river, to East river 1.97 42nd Street Crosstown Line
  • Fifty-ninth street via Tenth avenue to Manhattan street 3.29 apparently the Tenth Avenue Line continued along Amsterdam Avenue all the way to 125th Street - was this the four tracks on Amsterdam Avenue referred to in other articles?
  • Forty-second street via Seventh avenue to Boulevard, etc 4.02 Broadway Line minus the trackage between Columbus and Amsterdam Avenues?
  • North river, Manhattan street, St. Nicholas avenue, One Hundred and Tenth street, to East river 2.76 110th Street Crosstown Line
  • Branches .41
  • Second track 12.45

Broadway cars began turning east on 42nd Street on either February 10 or February 17, 1908: [7] ("last Monday" from Wednesday, February 19) --NE2 04:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Family tree"

This 1920 book has some information.

  • Third Avenue Railroad, leased to Metropolitan Street Railway April 13, 1900
    • One Hundred and Twenty-fifth Street Railroad, leased to 3ARR December 1870; bought by 3ARR April 23, 1886
    • Forty-Second Street, Manhattanville and St. Nicholas Avenue Railroad, bought by 3ARR November 1895; sold to MSRY soon; separated February 1, 1908; transferred to 3ARy March 1, 1912
    • Dry Dock, East Broadway and Battery Railroad, bought by 3ARR August 1897
    • Kingsbridge Railway
    • Union Railway, bought by 3ARR January 1898
      • Harlem Bridge, Morrisania and Fordham Railway, merged into URy July 5, 1892
      • North Third Avenue and Fleetwood Park Railway, merged into URy July 5, 1892
      • Melrose and West Morrisania Railroad, merged into URy July 5, 1892
      • Westchester Electric Railroad, bought by URy; leased by URy June 1, 1893? (connected NYC, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, Bronxville, Tuckahoe, Larchmont, Pelham, and Pelham Manor; controlled by Third Avenue Railway)
        • Mount Vernon and Eastchester Railway, merged into WERR July 2, 1893?
        • New Rochelle Railway and Transit Company, merged into WERR July 2, 1893?
      • Bronx Traction Company, URy operating agreement
        • West Farms and Westchester Traction Company, bought by URy; merged into BTCo May 12, 1904
        • Wakefield and Westchester Traction Company, bought by URy; merged into BTCo May 12, 1904
        • Williamsbridge and Westchester Traction Company, bought by URy; merged into BTCo May 12, 1904
        • Van Nest, West Farms and Westchester Traction Company, bought by URy; merged into BTCo May 12, 1904
        • Suburban Traction Company, bought by URy; merged into BTCo May 12, 1904
      • Southern Boulevard Railroad, bought by 3ARR; operated by URy
    • Yonkers Railroad, bought by 3ARR 1898 (controlled by Third Avenue Railway)
    • Tarrytown, White Plains and Mamaroneck Railway (became Westchester Street Railroad Mamaroneck to Tarrytown and White Plains to Scarsdale and Shore Line Electric Railroad Mamaroneck to Larchmont in 1909 - latter leased to former; controlled by NYNH&H)
  • People's Traction Company
  • New York, Westchester and Connecticut Traction Company
  • Jerome Park Railway
  • New York City Interborough Railway, bought by 3ARR 1912